'14 FL WR Isaiah McKenzie ( Georgia ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

IrishLax

IrishLax

Something Witty
Staff member
Messages
37,545
Reaction score
28,993
I've heard McKenzie is closer to 5'6" than 5'8"/5'9" that he is listed at.
 
ryno 24

ryno 24

Well-known member
Messages
2,419
Reaction score
100
He does start, but not at one position, he moves from position to position
 
woolybug25

woolybug25

#1 Vineyard Vines Fan
Messages
17,677
Reaction score
3,018
kuehnja said:
I mean, Isaiah doesn't even start on his high school team right now, so who knows how much offense he'll end up playing in college.

Holliday was 5'5", 160. Sproles is 5'6", 190.

Mckenzie is listed at 5'8", 160.
Click to expand...

From what I've been told, he is 5'6-7 and around 180. You're just taking the smallest weight measurement and applying it. He's a growing kid.

Also, the whole "he isn't even starting" thing is getting old. He plays a major role on the team. Technically Sproles and Woodhead don't start either. It's a deceptive statement.
 
K

koonja

Guest
woolybug25 said:
From what I've been told, he is 5'6-7 and around 180. You're just taking the smallest weight measurement and applying it. He's a growing kid.

Also, the whole "he isn't even starting" thing is getting old. He plays a major role on the team. Technically Sproles and Woodhead don't start either. It's a deceptive statement.
Click to expand...

I highly doubt it.

No, he his film actually reminds me of Holliday a lot. It just so happens they're almost the same size.

Right, they're all niche players that make a great impact. There's nothing wrong with that.
 
Last edited:
Luckylucci

Luckylucci

Administrator
Staff member
Messages
27,769
Reaction score
10,146
woolybug25 said:
From what I've been told, he is 5'6-7 and around 180. You're just taking the smallest weight measurement and applying it. He's a growing kid.

Also, the whole "he isn't even starting" thing is getting old. He plays a major role on the team. Technically Sproles and Woodhead don't start either. It's a deceptive statement.
Click to expand...

Agreed.
 
Luckylucci

Luckylucci

Administrator
Staff member
Messages
27,769
Reaction score
10,146
I wouldn't use the term niche to describe an APB, especially ones that play a lot of snaps every Sunday.
 
K

koonja

Guest
Luckylucci said:
I wouldn't use the term niche to describe an APB, especially ones that play a lot of snaps every Sunday.
Click to expand...

I don't consider Holliday an APB, nor did I when he was at LSU. He was a special teams nightmare and a player you had to account for where ever he lined up. He killed it in the screen game and reverses. Him and Brandon Laffel (spelling) were awesome to watch.

Sproles and Woodhead I consider APBs.
 
Luckylucci

Luckylucci

Administrator
Staff member
Messages
27,769
Reaction score
10,146
You used the word niche when addressing wooly's post about woodhead and sproles. In fact you bolded that part of his statement. I don't think APB's that play that much are niche players, that's all
 
Last edited:
K

koonja

Guest
Luckylucci said:
You used the word niche when addressing wooly's post about woodhead and sproles. In fact you bolder that part of his statement. I don't think APB's that play that much are niche players, that's all
Click to expand...

There not every down backs though, yet they're both probably top 4 players on their offenses.

That's why I consider them niche players. That label doesn't mean they don't make a big impact. They do.

If you disagree with me, don't let it ruin your night.
 
Last edited:
Luckylucci

Luckylucci

Administrator
Staff member
Messages
27,769
Reaction score
10,146
Don't flatter yourself. When the APB plays more than the every down back the word niche doesn't make sense. If you think so, cool you may be the only.
 
NDWorld247

NDWorld247

New member
Messages
2,474
Reaction score
302
kuehnja said:
I don't consider Holliday an APB, nor did I when he was at LSU. He was a special teams nightmare and a player you had to account for where ever he lined up. He killed it in the screen game and reverses. Him and Brandon Laffel (spelling) were awesome to watch.

Sproles and Woodhead I consider APBs.
Click to expand...

He had 72 career receiving yards at LSU. He did not kill it in the screen game.

I think the difference between Holliday and McKenzie is that one was primarily a RB in college (Holliday had 772 career rushing yards) while the other (McKenzie) will be primarily a WR that may occasionally line up in the backfield or get a reverse. If McKenzie can mirror Holliday's career special teams numbers (2,543 return yards and 4 TDs), and contribute more offensively, he will have a nice career at ND.

I think the comparisons to guys like Holliday, Sproles and Woodhead are off-base a little. I'm not saying it's a terrible comparison, but those guys were/are RBs and McKenzie is/will be a WR at ND. IMO, he has the potential to be more Wes Welker or Steve Smith (both 5'9") than the short RBs we're comparing him to.
 
K

koonja

Guest
Luckylucci said:
Don't flatter yourself. When the APB plays more than the every down back the word niche doesn't make sense. If you think so, cool you may be the only.
Click to expand...

It makes perfect sense to me. Why are you taking offense of the word 'niche'? I'm not knocking their importance. Quite the contrary.

Lol, what?
 
Last edited:
TheTurningPoint

TheTurningPoint

New member
Messages
2,883
Reaction score
662
LOL. Trindon Holliday and McKenzie are alike in that they are african american and fast. Thats where everything stops. Trindon is a kid that plays more similiar to GA3 than McKenzie. Trindon is a straight line guy with a little more cutting ability. He isnt close to the agility/cutting player that McKenzie is. Mckenzie has the wiggle that Theo had, but with a quicker burst in that first step when he accelerates. McKenzie is quicker than Theo, and theo is much bigger. Both lack the true top end that Trindon/GA3 have once into the open field. They arent slow and arent getting caught from behind but Trindon and GA3 have just an extra gear once they get in space.

Some people have actual knowledge of how football is played and the skills on the field. Kuehnja, you are not one of those people. Im sure your a great dude but your evaluation of players is absolutely horrible.
 
N

nsideirish

Active member
Messages
297
Reaction score
34
TheTurningPOint said:
LOL. Trindon Holliday and McKenzie are alike in that they are african american and fast. Thats where everything stops. Trindon is a kid that plays more similiar to GA3 than McKenzie. Trindon is a straight line guy with a little more cutting ability. He isnt close to the agility/cutting player that McKenzie is. Mckenzie has the wiggle that Theo had, but with a quicker burst in that first step when he accelerates. McKenzie is quicker than Theo, and theo is much bigger. Both lack the true top end that Trindon/GA3 have once into the open field. They arent slow and arent getting caught from behind but Trindon and GA3 have just an extra gear once they get in space.

Some people have actual knowledge of how football is played and the skills on the field. Kuehnja, you are not one of those people. Im sure your a great dude but your evaluation of players is absolutely horrible.
Click to expand...

Burn.gif
 
K

koonja

Guest
TheTurningPOint said:
LOL. Trindon Holliday and McKenzie are alike in that they are african american and fast. Thats where everything stops. Trindon is a kid that plays more similiar to GA3 than McKenzie. Trindon is a straight line guy with a little more cutting ability. He isnt close to the agility/cutting player that McKenzie is. Mckenzie has the wiggle that Theo had, but with a quicker burst in that first step when he accelerates. McKenzie is quicker than Theo, and theo is much bigger. Both lack the true top end that Trindon/GA3 have once into the open field. They arent slow and arent getting caught from behind but Trindon and GA3 have just an extra gear once they get in space.

Some people have actual knowledge of how football is played and the skills on the field. Kuehnja, you are not one of those people. Im sure your a great dude but your evaluation of players is absolutely horrible.
Click to expand...

Holliday's cutting ability is much, much closer to McKenzie's than it is to GAIII. GAIII can't cut for squat compared to either of these people. GAIII has NO business in this discussion, whatsoever.

I'm not saying McKenzie is faster than Holliday, or that if they raced 10 times, it'd be a 5-5 tie. But when I watch McKenzie's film, I see the best competition around and he's blowing by guys. Not only in cuts, but running past them. He has GREAT speed IMO. Fastest player on our team, day 1.

Lol, we're all entitled to our opinion. I may not be the next Lombardi like some of you, but I'm not an idiot and I watch too much football as is.

It's not like any of us know exactly how McKenzie will develop and how he will be used, but it's incredibly narrow minded to take your opinion and present it as a fact. You could be wrong, I could be wrong. That's why we watch the game.

TP, neither of us are paid scouts, are we? I'm just a fan with an opinion, just like you.

But to recap, McKenzie reminds me of Holliday, and that upsets some people?

LOL.
 
Last edited:
TheTurningPoint

TheTurningPoint

New member
Messages
2,883
Reaction score
662
kuehnja said:
Holliday's cutting ability is much, much closer to McKenzie's than it is to GAIII. GAIII can't cut for squat compared to either of these people.

I'm not saying McKenzie is faster than Holliday, or that if they raced 10 times, it'd be a 5-5 tie. But when I watch McKenzie's film, I see the best competition around and he's blowing by guys. Not only in cuts, but running past them. He has GREAT speed IMO. Fastest player on our team, day 1.

Lol, we're all entitled to our opinion. I may not be the next Lombardi like some of you, but I'm not an idiot and I watch too much football as is.

It's not like any of us know exactly how McKenzie will develop and how he will be used, but it's incredibly narrow minded to take your opinion and present it as a fact. You could be wrong, I could be wrong. That's why we watch the game.

TP, neither of us are paid scouts, are we? I'm just a fan with an opinion, just like you.

But to recap, McKenzie reminds me of Holliday, and that upsets some people?

LOL.
Click to expand...


Youre right we are all fans. But you just make idiotic player comparisons and then ridiculous statements to back it up. Its just mind blowing. Im not sure you get the same channels the rest of us get.

"He killed it in the screen game and reverses." - then has 72 career yards receiving. ND probably has 72 yards on screen passes this year, and I think of all of us "fans" would agree that ND isnt killing it in the screen game.
 
TheChosen1

TheChosen1

New member
Messages
2,754
Reaction score
113
TheTurningPOint said:
Youre right we are all fans. But you just make idiotic player comparisons and then ridiculous statements to back it up. Its just mind blowing. Im not sure you get the same channels the rest of us get.

"He killed it in the screen game and reverses." - then has 72 career yards receiving. ND probably has 72 yards on screen passes this year, and I think of all of us "fans" would agree that ND isnt killing it in the screen game.
Click to expand...

This is constant. Every player reminds him of someone else.
 
K

koonja

Guest
TheTurningPOint said:
Youre right we are all fans. But you just make idiotic player comparisons and then ridiculous statements to back it up. Its just mind blowing. Im not sure you get the same channels the rest of us get.

"He killed it in the screen game and reverses." - then has 72 career yards receiving. ND probably has 72 yards on screen passes this year, and I think of all of us "fans" would agree that ND isnt killing it in the screen game.
Click to expand...

No, you see, that's where your narrow mindedness is bleeding out.


Lol, that stat isn't a good argument obviously, I didn't follow LSU a lot but I remember when they were #1/2, him taking a couple of screen passes. When you don't watch their games and you turn one on and he catches a couple, it seemed to be a way they utilized him.

What other 'idiotic comparisons' among players have I made? Or are you just looking for a fight?

Holliday and McKenzie are very similar players IMO. That's a great thing for ND, and there's really no way to say when comparisons are right/wrong. Way too many factors that I'm sure I don't have to spell out for you, but their stature, speed, agility, and toughness seem like a match.

Your turn. Get mad, lol.
 
Last edited:
jerboski

jerboski

New member
Messages
1,200
Reaction score
63
kuehnja said:
I'm not saying McKenzie is faster than Holliday, or that if they raced 10 times, it'd be a 5-5 tie. But when I watch McKenzie's film, I see the best competition around and he's blowing by guys. Not only in cuts, but running past them. He has GREAT speed IMO. Fastest player on our team, day 1.

Fastest player on team day 1??? I think GA3 and Chris Brown would have something to say about that. I love Isaiah as a player but lets not go overboard
TP, neither of us are paid scouts, are we? I'm just a fan with an opinion, just like you.
Click to expand...
 
K

koonja

Guest
TheTurningPOint said:
Click to expand...

Lol, I'm flattered!

Look at the time of the tweet. That was in the 1st half, and he DID look bad.

He had 2 interceptions and < 50% completion percentage.

Peer through the 'upset alert' thread and you will see other IrishEnvy members that you should also be calling idiotic for same that EXACT thing.

But you won't, will you? You'll only go twitter digging for me, lol. Old grudges, SMH.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top