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We don't play our corners real tight at the LOS, but I'd like to bait them into an early pick for a TD.
 
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Irish#1 said:
We don't play our corners real tight at the LOS, but I'd like to bait them into an early pick for a TD.
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Taylor Kelly is stupid good at throwing those back-shoulder fades. And with how good he is at evading pressure (and how poor our pass rush has been), I'm not counting on our secondary to produce an INT.
 
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Any inside information on our running back situation? will we see Bryant actually play a roll or will we see more of Folston?
 
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Wisconsin rushing yards: 231 on 32 carries (7.2 ypc)
Stanford rushing yards: 240 on 49 carries (4.9 ypc)
Southern Cal rushing yards: 247 on 37 carries (6.7 ypc)

The Irish have rushed 35, 19, 37, 32, and 29 times this season, so I don't doubt that they can commit to the run this Saturday. I'd think that they can rush 35 times for 210 yards (6.0 ypc), but I think Kelly would want to rush 40+ times if he could.
 
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Wisconsin rushing yards: 231 on 32 carries (7.2 ypc)
Stanford rushing yards: 240 on 49 carries (4.9 ypc)
Southern Cal rushing yards: 247 on 37 carries (6.7 ypc)

The Irish have rushed 35, 19, 37, 32, and 29 times this season, so I don't doubt that they can commit to the run this Saturday. I'd think they can rush 35 times for 210 yards (6.0 ypc).
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I don't think there is a person here that wouldn't sign up for that.
 
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OFD's Larz just posted a film breakdown of ASU's offense:

What Does Notre Dame Need To Do To Slow ASU Down?

  • Tackle well in space. This one is pretty obvious against a spread offense. Notre Dame cannot let short passes turn into big gains.
  • Disrupt the crosser. Notre Dame cannot allow Arizona State's receivers easy releases across the middle. The inside linebackers must disrupt these patterns. If ASU's receivers are in sync with the quarterback and are allowed to get to full speed before catching the ball it will be a nightmare for Notre Dame.
  • Unleash Jaylon Smith. This is his type of game. He is the only Notre Dame linebacker with the athletic ability to cover Marion Grice one on one. Notre Dame should move him around, play him in man coverage, drop him off in zone, and have him blitz the quarterback.
  • Fake the blitz and drop off. We've been calling for this all season. Is this the time that Coach Diaco finally fakes a blitz and has the linebackers drop off? It would help. If we allow Taylor Kelly to get into a rhythm with easy pre-snap reads Notre Dame fans everywhere will be curled up in the fetal position babbling incoherently as they watch the Sun Devils dismantle the Irish defense.
  • Simplify the game plan for the inside linebackers. This group is the most vulnerable to the ASU passing attack. Coach Diaco must protect these guys by asking them to do very little. They need to play the run tough, they need to disrupt the crosser and maybe fake the odd blitz. That's about as much as the Irish can hope to get out of their 250 pound linebackers in this game.
  • Get faster players out on the field. The Irish have some great athletes on their roster, this might be the game to use them. Can anyone say Max Redfield?
  • Play a team game. The offense and special teams have to protect the Irish defense. The offense needs to hold onto the ball and grind ASU with the running game. As well, they cannot turn the ball over. Special teams must pin Arizona State deep and force them to march the entire length of the field.
This is going to be a tough match up for the Irish defense. With all due respect to Oklahoma, I believe this is the best offense the Irish have faced this year (and likely the best offense they will face all year). Notre Dame is going to need a pre-game exorcism to remove the demons that have plagued them through the first 4 games of the year. We're a Catholic institution, we must have access to an exorcist, right?
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The good news is that ASU's offense is very similar to OU's, and our defense played relatively well last week. The bad news is that such spread attacks are poor match-ups for us. Expect to see lots of Nickel and Dime personnel. We'll need good games from Shumate, Luke and Smith to keep a lid on Graham's offense.
 
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NDdomer2 said:
Good read, pretty much says we miss Golson really bad on passing situations and/or 3rd down.

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The no back set really frustrates me on 3rd and short plays. I wish they'd keep a back back there to keep the defense honest...make them account for another possibility. At least with Golson they were held in check because if they sold out on the pass he could pick up the first with his legs. You just can't run a no back set consistently with Tommy. He at least needs a RB back there to pick up blocks.
 
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I have a question for some on the board. Arizona State can spread the football around, and run a fast paced offense, but cannot run. We have not showed he ability to do either consistently, but after this last weekends performance on the ground, and Arizona States seemingly porous run defense, do we outrush them?

If we do this it would seem that the game would be ours to lose, without any ridiculous turnovers that is. Could this be one of the few games that Brian Kelly loses when outrushing an opponent?
 
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Irishbounty28 said:
I have a question for some on the board. Arizona State can spread the football around, and run a fast paced offense, but cannot run. We have not showed he ability to do either consistently, but after this last weekends performance on the ground, and Arizona States seemingly porous run defense, do we outrush them?

If we do this it would seem that the game would be ours to lose, without any ridiculous turnovers that is. Could this be one of the few games that Brian Kelly loses when outrushing an opponent?
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ASU uses their running backs in a similar way to how the Saints use Darren Sproles. They don't get a lot of "rushes" but they catch a lot of short passes that develop how a running play would. So while we will almost certainly have more rushing yards, their running backs will likely account for more total yards than ours will.
 
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gkIrish said:
ASU uses their running backs in a similar way to how the Saints use Darren Sproles. They don't get a lot of "rushes" but they catch a lot of short passes that develop how a running play would. So while we will almost certainly have more rushing yards, their running backs will likely account for more total yards than ours will.
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So in your estimation we will lose this game even if we outrush them? I'm just asking because controlling the game on the ground is one of the most productive ways of winning football games.

In this regard, I typically believe that the stats don't lie. When we have beaten opponents that have outrushed us, it is because they have committed more turnovers, and likewise when we have lost.

This can be seen against Michigan and Purdue last year, where they outrushed us but gave away the ball multiple times. It happened on our end in this years Oklahoma game, and against Florida State in the bowl game a while back.

If my memory serves me correctly the only games we have lost when outrushing the opponent are Oklahoma this year, and Florida State 2 years ago. Both of these games were plagued by turnovers.
 
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Irishbounty28 said:
So in your estimation we will lose this game even if we outrush them? I'm just asking because controlling the game on the ground is one of the most productive ways of winning football games.

In this regard, I typically believe that the stats don't lie. When we have beaten opponents that have outrushed us, it is because they have committed more turnovers, and likewise when we have lost.

This can be seen against Michigan and Purdue last year, where they outrushed us but gave away the ball multiple times. It happened on our end in this years Oklahoma game, and against Florida State in the bowl game a while back.

If my memory serves me correctly the only games we have lost when outrushing the opponent are Oklahoma this year, and Florida State 2 years ago. Both of these games were plagued by turnovers.
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I don't think anything you mention is wrong but in the end I don't think it will matter whether we outrush them or not. I think we lose the game because they will throw the ball at will and probably score 35+. Their QB is too versatile and can make all kinds of throws. Our defense hasn't shown that it can stop a dynamic QB.
 
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Eh...I agree that their offense will be hard to stop, but without turnovers on our end and a rushing offense that is successful we will be hard to beat.

This will more than likely give us a lead in the time of possession battle, unless of course GAIII goes off and breaks the first couple runs 80 yards. The point is if our offense is consistently running the ball it will take the ball out of their "dynamic" quarterbacks hands and control the game on our end, typically leading to less points from the opposing team.

To comment on Taylor Kelly:

He has shown to be a very dynamic quarterback in the typical games he was expected to be. Last year he went off against the likes of Colorado, Navy, Northern Arizona, Washington State, and Utah. He played well enough to win against Arizona, Cal and Missouri (All teams I believe we are better than).

This year he played well against a lowly USC team, and Sacramento State. He was not extremely good in a Wisconsin game that was handed to them, and against Stanford he was pretty bad.

I don't think it is out of the question that we may lose this game, as I believe that Arizona State has the tools to beat us, but I do not think that the game is over because of the "great" Taylor Kelly.

He is an above average quarterback in college football right now, that is productive in his system. He isn't the end all be all of their team and I would assume their second string quarterback would put up similar numbers as Graham has found ways to get his quarterbacks to be productive at both Arizona State and Tulsa, not so much Pitt.
 
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NDdomer2 said:
Good read, pretty much says we miss Golson really bad on passing situations and/or 3rd down.

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Good to see Keith's been watching the same games we have.
Really yet another example of how losing Golson, coupled with some head-scratching offensive play-calling, is screwing us. All this talk about "finding an identity" on offense. We had one. But it's suspended for an academic violation.
 
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As for the Arizona State game. I'd be fine if we ran the ball four plays of every five, with the fifth being play-action. We've got to keep them off the field.
But do that, snag a turnover or two, and it's a game we can certainly win.
 
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