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ulukinatme said:
In all seriousness, I wouldn't put too much stock in the Heisman these days. The award has fallen from it's lofty perch, and this was long before JFF came along. At least every other award winner has been at the heart of a scandal going back to Reggie Bush, and it would probably be farther if you consider how journalism has changed just in recent years. The award is little more than a popularity contest these days, and Manti unfortunately wouldn't even have received an invite if his tragedy hadn't been played up so much by the media.
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This statement really isn't accurate. Cam Newton was the only other winner that was involved in a scandal before he won the trophy since Reggie Bush.

The Heisman has fallen off in some people's mind because they think the #1 NFL Draft choice should win it every year and that's simply not what the award is about. It's about college performance and in the past 23 years or so, only a handful of Heisman winners have gone on to NFL success.
 
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1ndfan said:
I enjoy 'College football' because it is amateurs working their *** off trying to get better in order to get that pay-DAY! I personally have stopped watching the NFL because what you just explained is exactly what all the the arbitration was about 30 years ago! If you start paying college kids, where does it all stop? Maybe we could use government funding for football? That way we can breed football players and then we can all sit and watch the entertainment as we should.
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If you are still under the illusion that college football is still about amateurism, I have some land I want to sell you for cheap. Happens to be under the Atlantic ocean buts its ok, the Atlantic is expanding and the Pacific will be gone in a few billion years.
 
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NDWorld247 said:
This statement really isn't accurate. Cam Newton was the only other winner that was involved in a scandal before he won the trophy since Reggie Bush.

The Heisman has fallen off in some people's mind because they think the #1 NFL Draft choice should win it every year and that's simply not what the award is about. It's about college performance and in the past 23 years or so, only a handful of Heisman winners have gone on to NFL success.
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Yeah, it hasn't quite been a scandal for every other winner, that was a small stretch. I certainly wouldn't say that the best college player has won it each year. It certainly seems like it's gone to the player with the most media buzz, and typically it's the face of a hot team.
 
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ulukinatme said:
Yeah, it hasn't quite been a scandal for every other winner, that was a small stretch. I certainly wouldn't say that the best college player has won it each year. It certainly seems like it's gone to the player with the most media buzz, and typically it's the face of a hot team.
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On one hand I agree with this as the new media age has definitely changed the selection criteria a bit (i.e. Paul Hornung wouldn't have had a chance in hell in today's day and age), but on the other hand, I'd challenge you to name a winner the past 15 years or so that didn't deserve it. There are very few instances where the winner wasn't the most deserving.
 
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On one hand I agree with this as the new media age has definitely changed the selection criteria a bit (i.e. Paul Hornung wouldn't have had a chance in hell in today's day and age), but on the other hand, I'd challenge you to name a winner the past 15 years or so that didn't deserve it. There are very few instances where the winner wasn't the most deserving.
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Hmmm, certainly all the players are deserving, but some I think could have been more deserving than others. While Bush was certainly deserving, I would have given Vince Young the award in '05. Tebow probably could have won it a second time and should have over Bradford. Leinart over Adrian Peterson? No way, Leinart had it made behind center at USC with the talent around him, which is why he never made it at the next level when the stakes were even. While Troy Smith was deserving, I kind of felt he was underwhelming as a winner, there wasn't a great clear cut front runner to really challenge him. That Te'o guy wasn't too bad either in the regular season, but I've got my green shades on there and I'm rather enjoying seeing Manziel spiral out of control.
 
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Irish Insanity said:
OJ got away with murder as a Heisman winner
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ulukinatme said:
Hmmm, certainly all the players are deserving, but some I think could have been more deserving than others. While Bush was certainly deserving, I would have given Vince Young the award in '05. Tebow probably could have won it a second time and should have over Bradford. Leinart over Adrian Peterson? No way. While Troy Smith was deserving, I kind of felt he was underwhelming as a winner, there wasn't a great clear cut front runner to really challenge him. That Te'o guy wasn't too bad either in the regular season, but I've got my green shades on there and I'm rather enjoying seeing Manziel spiral out of control.
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Young over Bush? Maybe after the Rose Bowl, but before? No way. The only person in the world that was surprised Bush won was Young himself. He was pissed!

Tebow over Bradford? Ehhh, I don't know. Tebow came in 3rd (Colt McCoy 2nd). Bradford's stats were ridiculous that year while Tebow's declined from his Heisman winning campaign the year before.

Peterson over Leinart? I agree with you here. Jason White's candidacy stole votes from Peterson.

Troy Smith was hands down the most outstanding player in college football that year. I believe his margin of victory is 1st or 2nd for the Heisman. Very little debate there.

Te'o over Manziel? Agreed as I stated a few posts ago. ESPN ran Manziel's campaign and the voters ate it up.

I guess I'm just defensive of the Heisman. I don't like how it's reputation has soured the past decade or more. I think it's undeserving and is still the greatest award in all of sports.
 
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phork said:
If you are still under the illusion that college football is still about amateurism, I have some land I want to sell you for cheap. Happens to be under the Atlantic ocean buts its ok, the Atlantic is expanding and the Pacific will be gone in a few billion years.
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Well... We all know boosters pay what they pay, and players get what they get without being caught. soooo.. no attitude on my part, just don't want the big guy's to get involved! If ya know what I mean?..
 
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Young over Bush? Maybe after the Rose Bowl, but before? No way. The only person in the world that was surprised Bush won was Young himself. He was pissed!

Tebow over Bradford? Ehhh, I don't know. Tebow came in 3rd (Colt McCoy 2nd). Bradford's stats were ridiculous that year while Tebow's declined from his Heisman winning campaign the year before.

Peterson over Leinart? I agree with you here. Jason White's candidacy stole votes from Peterson.

Troy Smith was hands down the most outstanding player in college football that year. I believe his margin of victory is 1st or 2nd for the Heisman. Very little debate there.

Te'o over Manziel? Agreed as I stated a few posts ago. ESPN ran Manziel's campaign and the voters ate it up.

I guess I'm just defensive of the Heisman. I don't like how it's reputation has soured the past decade or more. I think it's undeserving and is still the greatest award in all of sports.
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Yeah, Troy Smith was the best that year, but I just felt it was kind of underwhelming because the competition just wasn't there. Thats probably why it was such a landslide. Any other year he probably doesn't win. As far as Tebow, I just never cared for Bradford all that much. Tebow's numbers may have dropped, but he ended up besting Bradford that year didn't he? I'd like to see them give awards at the end of the season tbh. They'll never do it because the hype is dead after the NCG, but it would cut out the awards circuit that dogs many players each year.
 
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Brian31 said:
Comparing college athletes to prisoners...I guess there are a few examples out there of someone getting $200,000 handed to them and then going to prison.
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I'm telling you... in the not so distant future JF will be the lead in the reality tv series "The Longest Yard." Bookmark it. LOL
 
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Costs almost $30K a year to house a prisoner. More if they are on death row.
 
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RuntheBall said:
If you go back in any family you get some crazy stuff, but WTF?
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I started out interested but couldn't sustain that interest through the whole article. we all have some crazy things in our family history if we go back far enough. But there seems to be something in the manziel DNA that keeps cropping up.
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This is my takeaway. It's not that they have one or two black sheep. It's that literally almost everyone in their family is a "hustler" or shady character of some sort.

So when people keep asking "why is he doing this stuff? why can't he keep a low profile? why can't he get out of his own way?" in reality he is just pulling the same crap that all other Manziels pull... but he happens to be in the national spotlight. It truly seems to be in their DNA. Maybe Jamies Winston was onto something with "Manziel Disease"...
 
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It isn't looking good for JF and that's a shame. Guess the ball is in A&M's court now. To play or not to play... that is the question it appears.
 
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Irish Insanity said:
More sessions surfacing.....

Texas A&M Aggies QB Johnny Manziel signed at two more sessions - sources - ESPN
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Though I'm pretty sure that the NCAA is sleeping at the wheel on this whole Manziel thing...the outcome could be ominous...It is not known where in its investigation the NCAA is, as both the NCAA and Texas A&M cited policy in declining comment. If the NCAA finds that Manziel has violated Bylaw 12.5.2.1 -- accepting money for promoting or advertising the commercial sale of a product or serviCe - he could be ruled ineligible. Even without proof of Manziel handling cash, he still could be found in violation of NCAA Bylaw 12.5.2.2. That bylaw requires a student-athlete to make every effort to stop the sale of products featuring his or her likeness.

It's actually starting to be funny...six different signings?
 
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Cannot believe he signed 4400+ autographs in 3 states. And the fact that he STILL hasn't come out and said "I didn't do it" and retained a lawyer is sooooooo telling.
 
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