2013 Fall Camp Thread

[greyhammer90]

I don't know, call me crazy, but I think that there is a big difference in level of play between Tommy and Hendrix. Playing QB isn't just physical, the mental part is what kills them. I think the decision making, defence reading and leadership are all heavily weighted to Tommy. If Tommy goes out, we are going to have an unsure, tentative, mistake-prone guy come in. Regardless of whether that is Hendrix or anybody else.

I would have never imagined myself saying this, but.... Tommy is the only QB I trust on our roster.

Same here. Tommy getting hurt is my sum of all fears.

I think people put waaaaay too much faith into what Hendrix did against Stanford three years ago. It was his first legitimate action, nobody had film on him and Stanford had not remotely prepared for a scrambling QB, and he suddenly came in running a completely different style of offense (scrambling everywhere) with a different pace. Not to mention they were beating the crap out of us at the time and had taken their foot off the gas.

 

[Luckylucci]

Springmann is an absolute man child. I'd take him over most backup DEs in the country

I'd second this statement.

 

[Wild Bill]

With all this talk about depth... who are the players we all think ND can least afford to get hurt this year? Here is my top 5:

1. Zach Martin
2. Louis Nix
3. Stephon Tuitt
4. Chris Watt
5. Bennett Jackson

At every other position I really don't see a huge drop off from the starter to the "next man in." That's a really good sign comparIed to other years. S, LB, & RB especially you could have an outbreak of the plague and probably be OK. TJ Jones, Troy Niklas, and DaVaris Daniels you could also make a case for being on that list.

1. Nix
2. Tuitt
3. Martin
4. Rees
5. Watt

I don't want anymore qb drama. Lo wood is a solid corner and cole luke could be great. Kid is a glove.

 

[Kak7304]

1. Nix
2. Tuitt
3. Martin
4. Rees
5. Watt

I don't want anymore qb drama. Lo wood is a solid corner and cole luke could be great. Kid is a glove.

Not to mention Hardy or Shumate can move to CB in an emergency situation.

 

[irishfan]

1) Nix
2) Tuitt
3) Rees
4) Martin
5) Jackson

I think we win at least 2 less games if one of those top 3 guys gets hurt. I think we're a 10-win team with Tommy and an 8-4 team with Hendrix/Malik.

 

[NDWorld247]

When you wake up on the morning and get ready for work, do you look in the mirror and say 'well I'm going to be the best dressed man in the office because I certainly can't pinpoint who will be dressed better!'. Sure, if you have an amazing outfit on you could maybe make that statement and it may or may not be true... But when you're wearing nothing out of the ordinary, no reason to believe you will be the best dressed person, even though you can't name a better dressed man yet.

LOL, okay. To take this ridiculous analogy one step further...if you put on an outfit that would be considered better than average and ask your wife how you look and she replies, "That looks really good, but it won't be the best in the office". And you respond, "Who will be dressed better?". And she says, "I know virtually nothing about what everyone else is wearing today, but I know your better than average outfit won't be the best". Doesn't that sound ridiculous?

The disconnect is you think our #2s are "nothing out of the ordinary" and OMM believes, and I agree, they are "better than average". We can agree to disagree.

Here's something to chew on though...there's not a DL on Alabama's National Championship team that would have started over Nix or Tuitt last year.

 

[koonja]

LOL, okay. To take this ridiculous analogy one step further...if you put on an outfit that would be considered better than average and ask your wife how you look and she replies, "That looks really good, but it won't be the best in the office". And you respond, "Who will be dressed better?". And she says, "I know virtually nothing about what everyone else is wearing today, but I know your better than average outfit won't be the best". Doesn't that sound ridiculous?

Not if she knows how your work dresses (i.e., the polo in slacks might be better than average, but there's no way it's the 'best').

I don't know the rosters, but I know every year there's a handful of teams that are elite that have exceptional back up DL. Can I name them? No. But I know there will be better ones than we have (based on my opinion of ours). Just like I know my polo and slacks is a nice look and I'm grateful for it, but I know the execs outfits will out do mine, even though I couldn't name WHO it will be.

Is her assumption that someone will be dressed better, exactly that, an assumption? Absolutely, but it's an educated one based on WHAT she sees in hers (i.e., your outfit) just like mine is an assumption on WHAT I know (our backup DL).

The disconnect is you think our #2s are "nothing out of the ordinary" and OMM believes, and I agree, they are "better than average". We can agree to disagree.

I believe they're better than average. I just said that.

Here's something to chew on though...there's not a DL on Alabama's National Championship team that would have started over Nix or Tuitt last year.

Not sure what this has to do with my debate with OMM's statement, but I agree.


EDIT: The above 'bolded' are my responses. Not sure how I formatted it this way, lol.


If this is offending anyone, please just take it for what it's worth, which is my opinion (and that's not worth much ).

 

[woolybug25]

You guys have put all this energy into hypothetical stories about dressing, and how its a metophor for other team's DL depth. All the while, claiming "I don't have time to check it".

Why haven't one of you just found a team with a better second string? It wouldn't be that hard if its as "in plain sight" as you guys are making it out to be. I went and checked Bama, Stanford and Georgia just for giggles and don't think theirs are better. I think the whole "you know it when you see it" stuff you guys are using is just an excuse.

Toot' a loo..

 

[koonja]

You guys have put all this energy into hypothetical stories about dressing, and how its a metophor for other team's DL depth. All the while, claiming "I don't have time to check it".

Why haven't one of you just found a team with a better second string? It wouldn't be that hard if its as "in plain sight" as you guys are making it out to be. I went and checked Bama, Stanford and Georgia just for giggles and don't think theirs are better. I think the whole "you know it when you see it" stuff you guys are using is just an excuse.

Toot' a loo..

When you/me/anyone look at everyone else's projected 2nd string, there's no way we'll recognize everyone or have any idea of how good they'll be, unless we literally only study NCAA football for a living.

This is an argument of the law of averages, Wooly!

 

[woolybug25]

When you/me/anyone look at everyone else's projected 2nd string, there's no way we'll recognize everyone or have any idea of how good they'll be, unless we literally only study NCAA football for a living.

This is an argument of the law of averages, Wooly!

That then applies to Notre Dame's second string as well then? Correct?

If so... then that same logic makes it impossible for you to say that Notre Dame's 2nd string isn't the best.

 

[NDWorld247]

You guys have put all this energy into hypothetical stories about dressing, and how its a metophor for other team's DL depth. All the while, claiming "I don't have time to check it".

Why haven't one of you just found a team with a better second string? It wouldn't be that hard if its as "in plain sight" as you guys are making it out to be. I went and checked Bama, Stanford and Georgia just for giggles and don't think theirs are better. I think the whole "you know it when you see it" stuff you guys are using is just an excuse.

Toot' a loo..

That's what I asked Kuenja to name. He couldn't. For the record, I agree with OMM that our 2nd string DL is as good as anyone's in the nation until proven otherwise.

 

[koonja]

That then applies to Notre Dame's second string as well then? Correct?

If so... then that same logic makes it impossible for you to say that Notre Dame's 2nd string isn't the best.

No, because I know nds 2nd string DL about as well as anyone on here or at least in this argument. Lets say that I believe they're an '8'. I know based on the fact there's over 100 other teams out there that are unknown, at least one will have a '9' (law of averages). Saying 'well they must be best because we can't name a better one even though we know nothing about other teams' is a really bad argument an if you don't see my point then there's nothing more to discuss on this topic.

Lets move on, lol. Any real news?

 

[woolybug25]

No, because I know nds 2nd string DL about as well as anyone on here or at least in this argument. Lets say that I believe they're an '8'. I know based on the fact there's over 100 other teams out there that are unknown, at least one will have a '9' (law of averages).

Lets move on, lol. Any real news?

I'm not sure why the law of averages comes into play here... lol

Anywho, you don't have to even look at the entire sample of schools. You only have to look at the best defenses in the country. Obviously bad defenses aren't going to have a better second string better than us. Otherwise, those dudes would be starting.

 

[NDdomer2]

1. Nix
2. Tuitt
3. Martin
4. Rees
5. Farley

Without Farley there is a bunch of unknowns. Yes, we have a lot of depth and some really good recruits but still a lot to be proven.

Next years safties:

Farley 13 games played (11 started). In 2013 had 49 tackles 1 int. Was 8th leading tackler last year and 6th returning.

Shumate: 13 games played. 9 tackles 3 pbu

Baratti: 13 games played. 8 tackles 1 int 1 pd.

Collinsworth: DNP '13. 26 career games played with 25 tackles and a FF.

Badger, Redfield, and Turner round out the group. CJ is now slot.

 

[dwshade]

I don't know, call me crazy, but I think that there is a big difference in level of play between Tommy and Hendrix. Playing QB isn't just physical, the mental part is what kills them. I think the decision making, defence reading and leadership are all heavily weighted to Tommy. If Tommy goes out, we are going to have an unsure, tentative, mistake-prone guy come in. Regardless of whether that is Hendrix or anybody else.

I would have never imagined myself saying this, but.... Tommy is the only QB I trust on our roster.

Totally agree. There's a reason Rees is the unquestioned starter and Hendrix is competing with Zaire as the backup. Hendrix simply doesn't see the field as well as Rees hence his tendency to pull the ball down and run with it. Not a very accurate passer either.

 

[koonja]

I'm not sure why the law of averages comes into play here... lol

Anywho, you don't have to even look at the entire sample of schools. You only have to look at the best defenses in the country. Obviously bad defenses aren't going to have a better second string better than us. Otherwise, those dudes would be starting.

I have to really leave this one alone. I just don't have elite expectations for our 2nd strong DL like some of you, and that's fine.

However I do not think you can simply look at the SEC and run down a depth chart and determine good/bad because like I said, I seriously doubt you'll know everyone on their second string and how good they are. There will be a lot of new people in play that we've never seen before: for example, would any outsider seriously thought Day would be such a strong 2nd stringer last year? Seriously doubt it.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I'd second this statement.

I like him and his upside. But, the statement of man child is strong. I think Tuitt is a man child. Do you think Springmann will be as productive or less productive than KLM, assuming equal reps?

 

[ulukinatme]

That then applies to Notre Dame's second string as well then? Correct?

If so... then that same logic makes it impossible for you to say that Notre Dame's 2nd string isn't the best.

Bama's 3rd string could probably beat our 1st string

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Bama's 3rd string could probably beat our 1st string

In what?

 

[beryirish]

Bama's 3rd string could probably beat our 1st string

In what?

Reading through the posts it appears he if referring to the DL depth.

If that is the case then he is a pure hater...and a moron.

...and worth a neg rep.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Reading through the posts it appears he if referring to the DL depth.

If that is the case then he is a pure hater...and a moron.

That would be the one area of the team I'd be most comfortable making that comparison. There is just no arguing that Tuitt and Nix may be All-Americans.

 

[beryirish]

That would be the one area of the team I'd be most comfortable making that comparison. There is just no arguing that Tuitt and Nix may be All-Americans.

Exactly, that's why I was saying ulukinatme is a pure hater and/or moron for saying "Bama's 3rd string could probably beat our 1st string."

 

[dshans]

In what?

Tiddlywinks???

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

If we lost Tommy Rees we'd just use Hendrix and there'd be minimal drop off if that. The only scare would be if we were then afraid to run Hendrxi because we had only 2 QBs on the depth chart... at which point things might get a little hairy. Go watch what he did against a great Stanford defense as a RS frosh coming in as relief for Tommy after Tommy got pulled at halftime... Hendrix can flat out play. If he was the EE instead of Tommy in his class... man, it's interesting to think about.

I really hope you're right, for the sake of depth.

But if Hendrix came in and fell flat, no one player would cause a drop off in wins like losing Tommy would.

 

[ulukinatme]

Reading through the posts it appears he if referring to the DL depth.

If that is the case then he is a pure hater...and a moron.

...and worth a neg rep.

Relax I was just joking, but maybe next time I'll add the sarcasm font. Thanks for the neg though.

I would be curious to see how Bama's 2nd string stacks up to our 2nd string.

 

[greyhammer90]

Relax I was just joking, but maybe next time I'll add the sarcasm font. Thanks for the neg though.

I would be curious to see how Bama's 2nd string stacks up to our 2nd string.

YOU'LL TAKE YOUR NEGS AND LIKE IT!

Rabble! Rabble rabble rabble!

 

[koonja]

Two negs make a positive. Someone neg him again lol.

 

[Cali_domer]

Relax I was just joking, but maybe next time I'll add the sarcasm font. Thanks for the neg though.

I would be curious to see how Bama's 2nd string stacks up to our 2nd string.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Did you make that yourself? I've never seen a "neg rep" gif specific to this site's software.

 

[Cali_domer]

Did you make that yourself? I've never seen a "neg rep" gif specific to this site's software.

Nope.. Got to search hard for them.lol.