'14 IA WR Allen Lazard (Iowa State Verbal)

[LoveThee]

Its tough to get a read on Lazard. I hope we can get him on this team, though

 

[Emcee77]

I hate when they say that they are firmly committed, but taking visits.

 

[ThePiombino]

I hate when they say that they are firmly committed, but taking visits.

It's a two-way street. That's recruiting.

 

[Kak7304]

In my opinion, he likes us more but the family ties to ISU are holding him from jumping on board and I don't blame him. It'd be like a Golic liking another school more than ND. I just hope Lazard decides he's ready to go somewhere else and create his own legacy.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

In my opinion, he likes us more but the family ties to ISU are holding him from jumping on board and I don't blame him. It'd be like a Golic liking another school more than ND. I just hope Lazard decides he's ready to go somewhere else and create his own legacy.

I get what you are saying but honestly, Golic liking somewhere better than ND is not quite the same as Lazard liking ND over ISU. ND is the superior school in just about every aspect. It offers a lot more value than ISU does. But Golic picking another school over a school like ND wouldn't make nearly as much sense. It happens, though. Nick Montana chose another school over ND and not one initially that I would think is a better prospect over ND. If Golic or Montana had chosen Bama or Florida over ND, I could at least understand the appeal in a football sense.

 

[dwshade]

In my opinion, he likes us more but the family ties to ISU are holding him from jumping on board and I don't blame him. It'd be like a Golic liking another school more than ND. I just hope Lazard decides he's ready to go somewhere else and create his own legacy.

The family ties thing can be overcome. His dad and brother didn't have the opportunity to go to an ND or Stanford. Believe his family understands he's got a great opportunity in front of him that ISU doesn't provide.

 

[irishfan]

He says he's firm to ISU (family ties are huge ... brother is a walk-on, dad played there, mom went there), but he has a great relationship with Bob Elliot, who has been recruiting him since he was at ISU himself, and with Alford, and he will OV to ND for either the OU game or the USC game.

Hope OU destroys ISU and we take down OU again.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

Hope OU destroys ISU and we take down OU again.

Good point, but mind you, we play OU in South Bend on September 28th and OU plays ISU at home November 16th.

Stadiums are perfect for this scenario. Just wish the dates were transposed.

Highly doubt we still have a WR slot open half way through November, but it's nice timing for an "insurance add".


NOTE: To this day have a hard time using the word insurance. Chris Rock really ****ed me up with that logic bomb back in the day (insurance should be called, "in case **** happens").

 

[pumpdog20]

The family ties thing can be overcome. His dad and brother didn't have the opportunity to go to an ND or Stanford. Believe his family understands he's got a great opportunity in front of him that ISU doesn't provide.

ISU provides plenty. If Lazard's post football plans include staying in Iowa, there's not a job in the state he couldn't get simply because another guy had a degree from ND or Stanford. This "40 year decision" is not what's going to put us over the top. If Lazard switches schools, it's because he wants to play for a better team.

 

[stlnd01]

ISU provides plenty. If Lazard's post football plans include staying in Iowa, there's not a job in the state he couldn't get simply because another guy had a degree from ND or Stanford. This "40 year decision" is not what's going to put us over the top. If Lazard switches schools, it's because he wants to play for a better team.

Well we should work that angle then. Because, unfortunately, a lone wide receiver is not going to be the difference between Big 12 doormat and Big 12 conference championship. But he can come to Notre Dame and play football games that matter. And the education sure won't hurt him any.

 

[dwshade]

ISU provides plenty. If Lazard's post football plans include staying in Iowa, there's not a job in the state he couldn't get simply because another guy had a degree from ND or Stanford. This "40 year decision" is not what's going to put us over the top. If Lazard switches schools, it's because he wants to play for a better team.

That's total nonsense. A degree from ND or Stanford opens up endless possibilities for the rest of your life. His family has encouraged him to look at these opportunities not just for football but because of what they can mean for their son long term in his life. If it were just a football decision then it really wouldn't matter where he goes. He can get to the NFL from any school in the country. He can get a job with a degree from most any school. But a degree from schools like Stanford and ND carries extra weight not to mention you're getting an opportunity to attend these schools on scholarship.

 

[pumpdog20]

That's total nonsense. A degree from ND or Stanford opens up endless possibilities for the rest of your life. His family has encouraged him to look at these opportunities not just for football but because of what they can mean for their son long term in his life. If it were just a football decision then it really wouldn't matter where he goes. He can get to the NFL from any school in the country. He can get a job with a degree from most any school. But a degree from schools like Stanford and ND carries extra weight not to mention you're getting an opportunity to attend these schools on scholarship.

Again, I said in Iowa. In Iowa, a ND/Stanford flag does not hold more weight. The only degree(s) that will outweigh a ISU degree in Iowa depends on what the specialty is (teaching/accounting: UNI is deemed better; medicine/law/business: UI is deemed better).

Until we know what opportunities outside of football Lazard wants, then it's nonsense (your word) to think ND wins hands down over ISU from an academic standpoint.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Again, I said in Iowa. In Iowa, a ND/Stanford flag does not hold more weight. The only degree(s) that will outweigh a ISU degree in Iowa depends on what the specialty is (teaching/accounting: UNI is deemed better; medicine/law/business: UI is deemed better).

Until we know what opportunities outside of football Lazard wants, then it's nonsense (your word) to think ND wins hands down over ISU from an academic standpoint.

Even for the major companies in Des Moines? Companies like Allied, Wells Fargo, Principal would not value ND degree more?

 

[pumpdog20]

Even for the major companies in Des Moines? Companies like Allied, Wells Fargo, Principal would not value ND degree more?

Principal (and Allied) definitely not. When you look at the leadership at Principal (I work there), CEO (Drake University)/CFO (Simpson College)/President of Insurance (Iowa State). The head guy at Allied went to Nebraska.

It's not that ND/Stanford are not more impressive degrees, I'm just saying that in Iowa, the in-state colleges (especially Iowa and Iowa State) are very well respective.

With that said, if Lazard has plans that doesn't include being in Iowa (in particular the Des Moines area), then sure ND/Stanford has the upper hand.

 

[dwshade]

A Stanford or ND degree opens up a world of opportunity. An ISU degree opens up...well Iowa. I'm sure Lazard's family want him to take advantage of any and all opportunities that come his way. Otherwise he wouldn't have visited this summer with plans to return this fall.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

Principal (and Allied) definitely not. When you look at the leadership at Principal (I work there), CEO (Drake University)/CFO (Simpson College)/President of Insurance (Iowa State). The head guy at Allied went to Nebraska.

It's not that ND/Stanford are not more impressive degrees, I'm just saying that in Iowa, the in-state colleges (especially Iowa and Iowa State) are very well respective.

With that said, if Lazard has plans that doesn't include being in Iowa (in particular the Des Moines area), then sure ND/Stanford has the upper hand.

I think what you are saying is true in most states. A degree from UK will get you through a lot of doors in Kentucky, the difference is the reach of a degree from ND is a lot larger. Just depends on if you know you want to live where you're from or want to explore other options.

 

[MJ12666]

A Stanford or ND degree opens up a world of opportunity. An ISU degree opens up...well Iowa. I'm sure Lazard's family want him to take advantage of any and all opportunities that come his way. Otherwise he wouldn't have visited this summer with plans to return this fall.

There is some merit to this argument but it is not an absolute. For example, I remember interviewing three candidates for an accounting position. One had graduated from ND, one from Montclair State, and I can't remember where the third one went to school. While I have always been an ND fan I ended up hiring the Montclair State graduate who impressed me the most out of the three (he ended up having a very successful career). Also you need to look at exactly what individual is majoring in. For example, didn't Zbikowski interview for a job as a fireman (I am not in any way disparaging this job as it is an essential public service in many communities). I have no idea what Zbikowski majored in, but does an ND degree really give him an advantage for this type of position? Realistically only if the individual making the hiring decision in an ND fan or graduate.

Anyway, as an ND fan I hope the coaching staff still uses this argument and get this kid to come to ND.

 

[D-BOE34]

I will say ND degree is much better than many others you can get. However, I don't know a single person that went or graduated from ND and I know a lot of successful people. I get we are superior and it will open up a lot of doors, but how many doors do you need open?

Getting a degree is great in the first place, regardless of where you got it. Shows you committed yourself to something for several years. Where you got it comes to play only when you need it. That is something I don't think can overcome family ties unless he really wants to broaden his horizons later in life and think the degree is the only way he can. Makes it easier, but not impossible. If he knows that, I don't think he flips.

 

[MJ12666]

I will say ND degree is much better than many others you can get. However, I don't know a single person that went or graduated from ND and I know a lot of successful people. I get we are superior and it will open up a lot of doors, but how many doors do you need open?

Getting a degree is great in the first place, regardless of where you got it. Shows you committed yourself to something for several years. Where you got it comes to play only when you need it. That is something I don't think can overcome family ties unless he really wants to broaden his horizons later in life and think the degree is the only way he can. Makes it easier, but not impossible. If he knows that, I don't think he flips.

Agreed.

 

[ryno 24]

Going to Notre Dame is basically like going to the IVY's. Not officially (and the IVY's look down on Notre Dame. But the degree holds weight in the highest levels across the country. I went to Xavier and it has opened doors for me and I could have had a job I wanted if I wasn't going to purgatory (law school) but it would mostly be regional in my offers and I would have to go out of my way to get internships and jobs.

My godfather went to Notre Dame and and was a good but not great student. He was flown all across the country at the companies request without working that hard for any job he wanted. Its just a different game than most colleges.

 

[KyfightingIrish36]

Scout.com: Lazard still looking?

 

[NDFAN22]

Anyone able to read this link?

 

[SoIll]

gettin pretty tight with Kyle Allen, plans on visiting A&M with him

 

[STLDomer]

gettin pretty tight with Kyle Allen, plans on visiting A&M with him

Is he visiting because of Allen or are they just visiting for the same game coincidentally?

I wouldn't expect A&M to be much of a factor. If I could go to the A&M vs Bama game I would too. I think only ND or Stanford can flip him.

 

[IrishLion]

Idk, A&M is pretty thin on numbers at WR after their last recruiting class. Maybe Lazard wants to step into an uncrowded position.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Idk, A&M is pretty thin on numbers at WR after their last recruiting class. Maybe Lazard wants to step into an uncrowded position.

They took 35 guys last year, how could any position be uncrowded?

 

[eNDzone]

They took 35 guys last year, how could any position be uncrowded?

All 35 were punters. They were a little thin there.

 

[dublinirish]

34 of them will head to JC and eventually sign with Alabama

 

[peoriairish]

They took 35 guys last year, how could any position be uncrowded?

This was my exact thought as well. So I looked.

They took 5 WR last year and 3 ATH which included Ricky Seals-Jones so really, 6 WR last year. Now I don't know if they all qualified and are there to open camp, but shits. Even if 2 didn't qualify, how are you thin?

 

[pkt77242]

They took 35 guys last year, how could any position be uncrowded?

I believe that he was being sarcastic.