Aaron Hernandez charged with murder

irishpat183

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Hernandez had much more cash than the $1-3M your parents friends have. I don't think that race is creeping in here. I think outrage to a despicable human being is the reaction
we are seeing.

Exactly. This dude and his thug friends killed a man, execution style, because of alleged "disrespect"??

And now it's possible that he's connected to other murders?


Sorry, but he deserves every neg comment coming his way
 

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My earlier post about racism and classism was intended toward comments, particularly those related to shows where "we" can "figure out" a whole groups behavior. More and more shows are calling themselves reality based and scaling that slippery slope, until you have the monstrosity put on TV about Amish mafia! That is life imitating fart, cause it is stereotyping, and a bunch of bad gas!

There is a reason they're called "stereotypes".....Just saying
 

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My earlier post about racism and classism was intended toward comments, particularly those related to shows where "we" can "figure out" a whole groups behavior. More and more shows are calling themselves reality based and scaling that slippery slope, until you have the monstrosity put on TV about Amish mafia! That is life imitating fart, cause it is stereotyping, and a bunch of bad gas!

Exactly, someone mentioned a cable channel with a show that they used to get. And there were a few others, oversimplifying a complex and terrible issue. Thank you again for your attempt to clear things up! Back to eating rolls.

You might be referring to this:

No doubt. Just saying, for some people old habits die hard.

For white people like me, everything comes back to the Wire. Some people are Stringer Bell. Once they get a little money, they want to get out of street-level criminal shenanigans and move into legitimate business. Others are Avon Barksdale. They just want their street corners. Hernandez apparently is a corner boy.

Very sorry if I offended you. As you can see, the substance of the post was absolutely not that "we" can "figure out" a whole group's behavior. Quite the opposite; it was that some similarly situated people--namely, people who spend formative years in a poor, crime-ridden environment--behave differently once they find a way out of that environment. (Still not certain whether Hernandez is such a person, but it didn't matter in the context of the discussion; I was assuming he was for purposes of that discussion.)

The two characters I mentioned are drug lords who grew up in the Baltimore projects. After they win control of their particular territory and sit relatively unopposed in control of that territory, one, Stringer, starts taking community college business classes and making contacts with real estate developers with the intent to invest his cash in legitimate business (and maybe continue to wholesale illicit drugs) without engaging in the dangerous business of street level drug sales. His partner-in-crime, Avon, has no interest in any of that. He simply wants to continue to rule the housing project drug market, as that's the business he knows and is comfortable with. I think his direct quote during an argument with Stringer is, "I ain't no suit-wearing [brother] like you. I'm just a gangster. And I want my street corners."

I believe this situation illustrates the difficulty some pro athletes from rough backgrounds face. They have tons of cash, but they don't understand legitimate business and don't know what to do with their money. Some make the effort to learn, like Stringer. Others don't, and just use their cash to do the same old stuff they did when they were kids. Hernandez may or may not be one of the latter type. (Not that there aren't other types in between.)

Also, The Wire was created by a Baltimore police reporter and a Baltimore homicide detective, based on their professional experiences; it has a much greater claim to authenticity than any other TV show. It gets taught in college classes. I do think it's fair to use the show to illustrate how real people might behave.

The part about "white people" was a joke. I don't know if you remember this blog, which was sort of a craze a few years ago, but there's a post that makes fun of how white people who know nothing about crime love The Wire, and I always got a kick out of it:
#85 The Wire | Stuff White People Like

Again, sorry if I offended, and I hope that clears things up.
 
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From the polarizing Jason Whitlock. As always, he's got a take that will infuriate some and be agreeable to others. In this case, he has a take that I am in agreement with to a degree. I don't excuse Hernandez for anything he did (allegedly) for a second but he obviously ran with some bad people and has made some horrible decisions. How he was influenced to allow himself to make these decisions is anyone's guess.

Aaron Hernandez a byproduct of society, not an aberration; Tony Soprano, Jay-Z the heroes in gang and drug culture pervasive in society - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN
 

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From the polarizing Jason Whitlock. As always, he's got a take that will infuriate some and be agreeable to others. In this case, he has a take that I am in agreement with to a degree. I don't excuse Hernandez for anything he did (allegedly) for a second but he obviously ran with some bad people and has made some horrible decisions. How he was influenced to allow himself to make these decisions is anyone's guess.

Aaron Hernandez a byproduct of society, not an aberration; Tony Soprano, Jay-Z the heroes in gang and drug culture pervasive in society - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

I kinda sit in between. I know, Irishpat not talking a strong stance....

My take is, that regardless of your "influences" in society or whatever, you are ultimately responsible for your actions and should be held accountable.

It's not an excuse, but if those mediums can be given credit when good things happen, then they sure as hell deserve some flak if bad things are attributed to them, no?
 

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I kinda sit in between. I know, Irishpat not talking a strong stance....

My take is, that regardless of your "influences" in society or whatever, you are ultimately responsible for your actions and should be held accountable.

It's not an excuse, but if those mediums can be given credit when good things happen, then they sure as hell deserve some flak if bad things are attributed to them, no?

CRAP!! I agree with you .........


And what did Jay-Z ever do to JW?
 

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I kinda sit in between. I know, Irishpat not talking a strong stance....

My take is, that regardless of your "influences" in society or whatever, you are ultimately responsible for your actions and should be held accountable.

It's not an excuse, but if those mediums can be given credit when good things happen, then they sure as hell deserve some flak if bad things are attributed to them, no?

Exactly...
 

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That article is the dumbest thing ever, if this was certainly the case we'd see more murderers in the NFL. There is a difference between having a gun and killing other people for dumb reason. Hernandez is just a horrible person.
 

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That article is the dumbest thing ever, if this was certainly the case we'd see more murderers in the NFL. There is a difference between having a gun and killing other people for dumb reason. Hernandez is just a horrible person.

Just because we don't see them in the NFL, doesn't mean this article doesn't have some truth to it....

Are you saying that gangster rap doesn't have an effect on the minds of young people in a negative way? Or vice versa?

I think it does. Especially in weak people that are easily influnenced.(like gang members)
 

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Just because we don't see them in the NFL, doesn't mean this article doesn't have some truth to it....

Are you saying that gangster rap doesn't have an effect on the minds of young people in a negative way? Or vice versa?

I think it does. Especially in weak people that are easily influnenced.(like gang members)
I agree it does in weak minded people or for impoverished people. But for Aaron Hernandez he is just an idiot and a horrible person to throw away his life to be a thug. It's not just because of him growing up in it its also due to him just being stupid.
 
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I agree it does in weak minded people or for impoverished people. But for Aaron Hernandez he is just an idiot and a horrible person to throw away his life to be a thug. It's not just because of him growing up in it its also due to him just being stupid.

Agree with the bolded. Everybody has examples of good behavior and bad. Everybody gets to pick. Overgeneralization, (Fox article and some parts of post), are just not well grounded, or accurate. When talking about Hernandez, Hernandez had more than enough good to lead him. He also had enough scum bags to mask his nefarious activities. They all should burn with him. This conversation has nothing to do with race, color, socio-economic status, movies, music or any other superficial tangible thing. This has to do with telling the truth, and doing the right and moral thing.
 

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That article is the dumbest thing ever, if this was certainly the case we'd see more murderers in the NFL. There is a difference between having a gun and killing other people for dumb reason. Hernandez is just a horrible person.

Allegedly.
 
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Bogtrotter07

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Probably fits the description of a serial killer to a tee. Forget about worrying about gang affiliations or the other things mindlessly being argued about.
 
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Me2SouthBend

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Shocking, I know. Can you believe this incident that he is currently embroiled with is not his first brush with the law? Who'd a thunk it?

Aaron Hernandez Saw Trouble at Florida in 2007 - WSJ.com

In part...

According to the police report, here's what took place: A waitress brought Hernandez two "alcoholic drinks." After Hernandez finished the drinks, a restaurant employee named Michael Taphorn delivered a bill. Hernandez said he hadn't ordered the drinks and refused to pay, at which point a "verbal altercation" began between the two men. Hernandez called a witness over to try to intervene, but a resolution couldn't be reached. Hernandez was told to leave and escorted out by Taphorn.

After stepping outside, according to the report, Hernandez told police Taphorn "got in his face" and began yelling at him. As Taphorn turned to walk away, Hernandez punched him in the side of the head—a fact Hernandez did not dispute.

Taphorn complained of hearing loss in his ear but refused medical treatment on the scene, the report said. The next day, however, doctors discovered his right eardrum had burst, an injury he was told would take four to six weeks to heal, according to the police report.
 

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Shocking, I know. Can you believe this incident that he is currently embroiled with is not his first brush with the law? Who'd a thunk it?

Aaron Hernandez Saw Trouble at Florida in 2007 - WSJ.com

In part...

According to the police report, here's what took place: A waitress brought Hernandez two "alcoholic drinks." After Hernandez finished the drinks, a restaurant employee named Michael Taphorn delivered a bill. Hernandez said he hadn't ordered the drinks and refused to pay, at which point a "verbal altercation" began between the two men. Hernandez called a witness over to try to intervene, but a resolution couldn't be reached. Hernandez was told to leave and escorted out by Taphorn.

After stepping outside, according to the report, Hernandez told police Taphorn "got in his face" and began yelling at him. As Taphorn turned to walk away, Hernandez punched him in the side of the head—a fact Hernandez did not dispute.

Taphorn complained of hearing loss in his ear but refused medical treatment on the scene, the report said. The next day, however, doctors discovered his right eardrum had burst, an injury he was told would take four to six weeks to heal, according to the police report.

Hmmm, this doesn't make the news how?
 
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Bogtrotter07

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Hmmm, this doesn't make the news how?

Same way they are suppressing the story about the shooting that local police wanted to question Hernandez about but U of F officials and Urbie stonewalled the police about . . .
 

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but surely all the bible study sessions Urbie personally did with Hernandez would have set him on the path of light???
 
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You might be referring to this:



Very sorry if I offended you. As you can see, the substance of the post was absolutely not that "we" can "figure out" a whole group's behavior. Quite the opposite; it was that some similarly situated people--namely, people who spend formative years in a poor, crime-ridden environment--behave differently once they find a way out of that environment. (Still not certain whether Hernandez is such a person, but it didn't matter in the context of the discussion; I was assuming he was for purposes of that discussion.)

The two characters I mentioned are drug lords who grew up in the Baltimore projects. After they win control of their particular territory and sit relatively unopposed in control of that territory, one, Stringer, starts taking community college business classes and making contacts with real estate developers with the intent to invest his cash in legitimate business (and maybe continue to wholesale illicit drugs) without engaging in the dangerous business of street level drug sales. His partner-in-crime, Avon, has no interest in any of that. He simply wants to continue to rule the housing project drug market, as that's the business he knows and is comfortable with. I think his direct quote during an argument with Stringer is, "I ain't no suit-wearing [brother] like you. I'm just a gangster. And I want my street corners."

I believe this situation illustrates the difficulty some pro athletes from rough backgrounds face. They have tons of cash, but they don't understand legitimate business and don't know what to do with their money. Some make the effort to learn, like Stringer. Others don't, and just use their cash to do the same old stuff they did when they were kids. Hernandez may or may not be one of the latter type. (Not that there aren't other types in between.)

Also, The Wire was created by a Baltimore police reporter and a Baltimore homicide detective, based on their professional experiences; it has a much greater claim to authenticity than any other TV show. It gets taught in college classes. I do think it's fair to use the show to illustrate how real people might behave.

The part about "white people" was a joke. I don't know if you remember this blog, which was sort of a craze a few years ago, but there's a post that makes fun of how white people who know nothing about crime love The Wire, and I always got a kick out of it:
#85 The Wire | Stuff White People Like

Again, sorry if I offended, and I hope that clears things up.

You didn't offend me. You never have.

It ain't in the sayin'; it is in the reduced thinking, afterwards and the repeatin'.

My comment was intended as a warning anyway, not an indictment.

I am not sure it was intended toward you or the next guy.

And in my experience TV portrays the average drug dealer as a black streetwise thug. My experience is the money men are white, highly educated and busy ruthlessly protecting their homes in the suburbs, families, and foreign sports cars.
 

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