'14 IA DE Matt Nelson (Iowa Verbal)

[NDFAN22]

Ok, well the discussion about whether his offer list is good(which its not) and everyone but FSU and Wisky are the bottom feeder of their conferences.

 

[Cackalacky]

Lol, that's not nice. I'm sorry but I have a low tolerance for people that don't know what the **** they're talking about.

Maybe I should change my pic. Rockne does not look like a happy camper.

Your right. I have noticed that.

STL get your **** together and update this ****er's profile.

 

[STLDomer]

Funny how no one complains about Isaiah McKenzie's offer list but ppl are complaining about Nelson's.

 

[Domina Nostra]

A 275 pound offensive lineman would get chewed up and spit out in major college football

Of course. I meant that we should be very open to kids who are athletic, over 6'4", and that we are confident can get to 275 lb.

They may be TE or DE. It's obviously not going to be OL unless they can get closer to 300. But you don't only take the kids who can clearly get to 300. You just don't know how each kid will develop. I don't know if Ishaq or Niklas could get to 300, like KLM and Kona did, but they can still beef-up the roster in very important ways.

This stands in contrast to kids who may max out closer to 250 or 265, like a Eifert, Rabassa, or Utopo. They aren't nearly as useful for roster building, since you really have to recruit those kids for specific positions.

Bascially, 275 is my cut off for power players and I am greedy for power players. Big skill and skill seem to get recruited much more according to position.

 

[NYIrish14]

Funny how no one complains about Isaiah McKenzie's offer list but ppl are complaining about Nelson's.

Probably because McKenzie has great film. Im honestly not that impressed with Nelson's.

 

[NDFAN22]

Cincinnati
Kentucky
Michigan
Rutgers
West Virginia
Boston College
East Carolina
Marshall
UMASS
South Florida
Western Michigan
are way better schools than Nelsons...

 

[STLDomer]

Probably because McKenzie has great film. Im honestly not that impressed with Nelson's.

Disagree, McKenzie has good film and more importantly, the reason why no one complains about his offer list, he has exciting film. I think ppl are much more likely to fall in love with a RB or WR because of the nature of their highlights (making ppl miss, being fast, TDs etc) than a DE that isn't a pass rusher.

 

[STLDomer]

Cincinnati
Kentucky
Michigan
Rutgers
West Virginia
Boston College
East Carolina
Marshall
UMASS
South Florida
Western Michigan
are way better schools than Nelsons...

In what world? Michigan, WVU, & ND are his only good offers. Not one of the big three schools in Florida. Compare that to FSU, Stanford, ND, Arkansas, & Wisconsin.

 

[NDWorld247]

Probably because McKenzie has great film. Im honestly not that impressed with Nelson's.

The kid manhandles the #6 OT in the country. Are you not entertained?????

Seriously though, people are entitled to their opinion, but let's not forget Nelson is a division 1 scholarship basketball player too. You can't teach his size or athleticism.

 

[NDFAN22]

Ill take usf cincy,uk,rutgers over Iowa State,Northern Colorado,Rice,San Diego State,South Dakota State.

 

[Luckylucci]

The kid manhandles the #6 OT in the country. Are you not entertained?????

Seriously though, people are entitled to their opinion, but let's not forget Nelson is a division 1 scholarship basketball player too. You can't teach his size or athleticism.

Agreed, he has something that not one other player we are recruiting has. He's 6'8! If Diaco spent time with him personally and offered and Stanford wants him on Defense then I sold.

 

[STLDomer]

Ill take cincy,uk,rutgers over Iowa State
Northern Colorado,Rice,San Diego State
South Dakota State

Funny how u exclude Nebraska & Iowa in favor of the bottom portion of his offer list. I compared their top offers. U come back with the middle portion of McKenzie's versus the bottom portion of Nelson's.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

So now we are comparing second tier offers?

Guys again, the staff likes his upside and thinks he can add depth and possibly break out. We are not going to stop recruiting Carter, Elam, Thomas, Frazier, etc if Nelson commits.

 

[NDFAN22]

I think that a kids whole offer list is more important than having 1-3 top schools yes. This is just made up but if a kid has michigan ND OSU stanford and north dakota st, rice, texas southern, eastern michigan, vs a kid with ND michigan WVU, nebraska, UK, UNC and Tenn. Which kid would you want? the few top schools or the one with all around good schools? Id prefer to look at a kids whole offer list instead of 1-3 schools at the top.

 

[NDinL.A.]

So now we are comparing second tier offers?

Guys again, the staff likes his upside and thinks he can add depth and possibly break out. We are not going to stop recruiting Carter, Elam, Thomas, Frazier, etc if Nelson commits.

My 2nd tier list is BETTER than yours!!!!

Golden, ain't nothing wrong with going after a 2nd tier girl...hell, I've gone after some 3rd tier girls back in my day after a night of debauchery, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. (Although one time in college, I got so hammered that I tried to hook up with an ex who gained like 1000 pounds since h.s...and she friggin' turned me down! Not one of my prouder moments.)

As for Nelson, no one here is an expert...the coaches are considered experts. They make mistakes though, as we all do. We're all entitled to our opinions on this board, and it should be all good since no one is right (yet). In these cases, I defer to the staff (and considering how all-day-tough Stanford's lines are, I'll defer to their staff as well) and hope that Nelson signs with the Irish. If not, not a back-breaker...

 

[Luckylucci]

I think that a kids whole offer list is more important than having 1-3 top schools yes. This is just made up but if a kid has michigan ND OSU stanford and north dakota st, rice, texas southern, eastern michigan, vs a kid with ND michigan WVU, nebraska, UK, UNC and Tenn. Which kid would you want? the few top schools or the one with all around good schools? Id prefer to look at a kids whole offer list instead of 1-3 schools at the top.

Well of that list Stanford has been the best team.

 

[NDFAN22]

NDinLA I agree with your statement there and only time will tell.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Someone awhile back posted the depth chart for the next few years for the DL. If Nix and Tuitt leave after this year, we are really thin now that EV left and Chase may or may not be able to play again. We need guys that can provide solid depth and offer upside potential. When you combine those guys with some of the other commits and prospects, you have a complete line. ND needs guys like Nelson.

 

[Irishnuke]

Seriously ladies, put your tampons in and move on. Notre Dame offered this kid and that's all we should ****ing care about.

 

[WestCoast]

Someone awhile back posted the depth chart for the next few years for the DL. If Nix and Tuitt leave after this year, we are really thin now that EV left and Chase may or may not be able to play again. We need guys that can provide solid depth and offer upside potential. When you combine those guys with some of the other commits and prospects, you have a complete line. ND needs guys like Nelson.

2014
Defensive Ends
Justin Utupo 5Yr ???
Stephon Tuitt Sr. ???
Chase Hounshell Sr.* ???
Tony Springman Sr.
Ishaq Williams Sr.
Sheldon Day Jr.
Jarron Jones Jr.*
Isaac Rochell So.
Jacob Matuska So.
Jay Hayes Fr.
Andrew Trumbetti Fr.
unknown Fr.
unknown Fr.

Nose Tackle
Imaginary Cwynar/IWilliams guy
yet-to-be-signed guy ???

If Utupo is not asked back, Tuitt goes NFL, Hounshell receives a medical and Ishaq is moved permanently to end (no idea how possible this is), there will be 4 upperclass DEs and 5 lowerclass DE. Even if Utupo and Hounshell come back, there's no certainty they will be meaningful contributors.

Unless the coaches plan to start a yet-to-be-signed freshman NT, one or two of those DEs may have to be the starter with the freshman NT as the back-up.

2015
Defensive Ends
Sheldon Day Sr. ???
Jarron Jones Sr.*
Isaac Rochell Jr.
Jacob Matuska Jr.
Jay Hayes So.
Andrew Trumbetti So.
unknown So.
unknown So.
signee Fr.
signee Fr.
signee Fr.

Nose Tackle
Imaginary Cwynar/IWilliams guy ???
yet-to-be-signed guy ???

 

[ACamp1900]

Seriously ladies, put your tampons in and move on. Notre Dame offered this kid and that's all we should ****ing care about.

This. We need some numbers up front... He is player enough for major D1 offers and for meatheads like us to follow his recruiting... I'm on board with ANYONE who fits that minimum mold who can play up front... period.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

This stands in contrast to kids who may max out closer to 250 or 265, like a Eifert, Rabassa, or Utopo. They aren't nearly as useful for roster building, since you really have to recruit those kids for specific positions.

Utupo's up to 280 lbs now.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I think the staff may be thinking that JJones is a NT.

 

[STLDomer]

I think the staff may be thinking that JJones is a NT.

He would be one of the last to be a NG candidate IMO

 

[Domina Nostra]

Utupo's up to 280 lbs now.

Two things:

(1) A lot of these guys can get up to 300 lbs., if you are not worried about good weight.

(2) It follows from what I was saying that a guy that you are certain can carry a good 260 lbs., he may be able to get up to 280 lbs. You just can't assume that its going to happen. It wouldn't be shocking if Barratti got to 230, but I would not count on him going much beyond 210. I would not be shocked to see Day at 310, but 290 seems a lot more likely. Golic struggled mightily to maintain past 295.

My point was only that we should be liberal in recruiting tall guys who will likely be able to carry 275 lbs. of good weight because they are so useful on a roster. I wasn't really trying to say anything about the limits or abilities of kids who don't fit that profile.

He would be one of the last to be a NG candidate IMO

I agree, but it sounds like he is a complete ox when he exerts himself: just really naturally strong. Apparently, though, he has had an incredibly hard time adjusting to the size of the college game. Once he does he will be one of those linemen that just can't really be moved. More of an old school DT in spirit and weight, if not height. I've never really heard anyone talk about his passrushing either.

 

[Emcee77]

I think Lax said it earlier in this thread ... Nelson is the type of kid who gets overlooked in high school and then goes to Stanford and kicks ***. Look at what Stanford did with
Ben Gardner at Homestead and
Chase Thomas at Walton .

Gardner was a two-star recruit. Chase Thomas was totally unrated. These are the guys who ate us up this year on the line of scrimmage.

Don't sleep on Nelson. The upside is there. He's a big want for me.

 

[dwshade]

I think Lax said it earlier in this thread ... Nelson is the type of kid who gets overlooked in high school and then goes to Stanford and kicks ***. Look at what Stanford did with
Ben Gardner at Homestead and
Chase Thomas at Walton .

Gardner was a two-star recruit. Chase Thomas was totally unrated. These are the guys who ate us up this year on the line of scrimmage.

Don't sleep on Nelson. The upside is there. He's a big want for me.

Completely agree. Also Nelson has just now become a full time football player. Before he split time between football and basketball. A lot of people thought b-ball would be his main sport. Now that he is committed to football he should flourish. Great upside. Put Longo and Elston to work on him and he could develop into a force.

 

[GowerND11]

I think Lax said it earlier in this thread ... Nelson is the type of kid who gets overlooked in high school and then goes to Stanford and kicks ***. Look at what Stanford did with
Ben Gardner at Homestead and
Chase Thomas at Walton .

Gardner was a two-star recruit. Chase Thomas was totally unrated. These are the guys who ate us up this year on the line of scrimmage.

Don't sleep on Nelson. The upside is there. He's a big want for me.

Too many people get tunnel vision when it comes to the star rankings. I completely agree. In 3, 4, or 5 years he'll show up out of nowhere and people will be here discussing how we could have had him and the staff "didn't do enough and overlooked him."

 

[IrishLax]

It does seem like we're not gonna win this one but this isn't an accelerated decision. He has said for awhile that as soon as he got back from his Stanford visit he would decide. He told the staff that, BGI, and II after he visited us last time.

True. Good call.

 

[STLDomer]

Committed to Iowa