CONFIRMED: Golson No Longer Enrolled At ND

[koonja]

I think that an institution, with a Christian foundation, should probably look at that whole Grace thing a little differently than you suggest here.

You're failing to separate the fact that IMO, it doesn't matter that Golson saying X in his original statement because that is SOP for anyone who has a bad situation and is in the public eye. Yes, he said 'X' (and I'm ignoring the ambiguity at this point) but from what I know about PR, you don't have a whole lot of options when making your initial statement, it's about saving face. This, is why I personally don't put stock in initial statements, including golsons. Which is why I said, again personally, I'd feel more confident if he said something since his original statement which was immediately after the incident went public.

The things he says after the immediate PR statement are more telling, ahain, my opinion. If you don't understand what I'm saying, I don't know what to tell you other than move on.

 

[NDohio]

You're failing to separate the fact that IMO, it doesn't matter that Golson saying X in his original statement because that is SOP for anyone who has a bad situation and is in the public eye.

The things he says after the immediate PR statement are more telling. If you don't understand what I'm saying, I don't know what to tell you other than move on.

Well, I think you are the one that is a little excited - LOL.

I didn't quote you, I wasn't speaking to the issue that you have at all, and I haven't been a part of the discussion you and others are having about whether EG should make another statement or not.

My response was completely about how the university should respond when EG comes back and I quoted a completely different poster.

Carry on .....

 

[koonja]

Well, I think you are the one that is a little excited - LOL.

I didn't quote you, I wasn't speaking to the issue that you have at all, and I haven't been a part of the discussion you and others are having about whether EG should make another statement or not.

My response was completely about how the university should respond when EG comes back and I quoted a completely different poster.

Carry on .....

To be fair, I've reiterated over and over that golson doesn't owe any of us another statement, nor do I think he should. I would just feel more confident if he did. If people have an issue with that, then ill just start yolo-ing all over this site lol.

 

[GoIrish41]

I think that an institution, with a Christian foundation, should probably look at that whole Grace thing a little differently than you suggest here.

I'm not really suggesting anything as much as I'm asking a question about whether or not we are being a little easier on Golson than we should be. How would people react, for example, if Golson played for another school and got caught cheating? Would the same generosity of spirit still exist? It seems to me I've seen lots of posters take a much harder stance when players from other teams have made "mistakes." My first reaction when I heard the news about Golson was disgust at the selfishness of the act. I had a similar feeling last year when Rees got in trouble. They let down a lot of people. I'm not sure I'm as apt to just dismiss this as a youthful mistake. This was a willful act that he knew was wrong (against the University's honor code in fact) but he did it anyway. I think there is a character question that may be getting lost in all of this ... a question that I thought folks who actually had a tangible attachment to the school might be a bit more atuned to than those of us who did not attend ND.

Edit: I went back and read OMM's post and it was, as usual, eloquent and well stated. And to be clear, I don't necessarily think Golson should be blackballed from school. Mostly, I'm surprised that there isn't a more even split on whether he should or should not be welcomed back. There seems to be on just about everything else on this board. Further I wonder if the reason he is getting a pass is because he is the QB at Notre Dame. I'm not sure Young Man Mike would have received the same level of universal understanding that Golson is getting.

 

[Redbar]

lol



hear hear



Yes, I definitely want him back. See OMM's post #1056 in this thread for the reason why.

Kids make mistakes. Football players in particular are under a tremendous amount of pressure, which makes them make mistakes. We should make them pay for those mistakes, but we should also forgive them and help them learn from the experience so they become better people in the end.

I'm totally ok with Golson serving a very public semester suspension and then coming back a wiser and more mature man.

Agree on all three points especially the part about the beautiful commentary by OMM.

 

[NDohio]

To be fair, I've reiterated over and over that golson doesn't owe any of us another statement, nor do I think he should. I would just feel more confident if he did. If people have an issue with that, then ill just start yolo-ing all over this site lol.

Please go back and read what I quoted and what my responses are. I have said nothing about EG making a statement.

A different poster - that I quoted - not you - asked about whether the University should welcome EG back on campus. I responded.

 

[koonja]

Please go back and read what I quoted and what my responses are. I have said nothing about EG making a statement.

A different poster - that I quoted - not you - asked about whether the University should welcome EG back on campus. I responded.

It's all good. I didn't mean to direct it at you, but im at work and on my mobile so just trying to respond quickly.

 

[phgreek]

However you feel about cheating, snitching is worse. There are two crimes I would go to the police about: child molestation and rape. Otherwise, let the authorities do their own job and mind your own business.

Having said all of that, Golson deserves to get put on timeout if he was cheating. I'm not OK with cheating, I just don't condone snitching.

I'm almost here...I do think there are times when you nail cheating...like if it is systematic...like the football team has a file of the answers and hands it out to football players...you burn that down. It appears that's not what this was...appears to be one dude cheating.

I've been taught to confront individuals who display conduct I don't like. Would I have said something to EG...mmm I'd like to think so....but its not realistic to be so sure until you are in it. Would I have turned him in...probably not. My view would have been that other people doing it right would suffer, so I'd be looking for a way to punish EG w/o those guys paying for him being immature and dumb. I'd like to think I'd be a complete dick to him, and let him know the predicament he put me, the university, and his team in...and let him sweat it out for a few days, then tell him I wasn't going to nail him...maybe that's what happened, only the kid decided to nail him. That's not to say I have anything against the kid who nailed him...just not my way.

 

[STLDomer]

Tom Loy spoke with some sources about Golson and:

A) He didn't visit Riverside and was home in Myrtle Beach

B) Golson is expected to return to SB and take classes elsewhere and/or get a job and stay in shape

C) Golson is expected to work out over the summer w/ QB guru George Whitfield in Cali (Really really big deal)

Loy confirmed this with Whitfield himself today. Whitfield's resume is untouchable, the best in the business.

 

[greyhammer90]

So Golson is spending the year in SB? That's big if true. No offense to Golson but there have been plenty of kids who fall out of their schools that "plan to come back" and don't. Hope we see him under center in 2014.

 

[ACamp1900]

The fact that he hasn't moved anywhere else (d-1) at this point pretty much all but confirms his intent to come back next year... I don't think I'm reading too much into that at this point.

 

[Luckylucci]

Just to clarify Loy said that they'd be working together at some point this upcoming season. I am unclear if thats good for his future at ND or just in general. Here's why I say that. BK in an interview said that he thinks Golson should be solely focused on academics in order to get back into ND and worry about football once he's back on the team. Basically, I took that as meaning the more distractions the less likely that occurs.

 

[CTHindman]

Your taking BK a little out of context, Lucky. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but that was said when everyone thought EG was going to play ball at a Juco. Even playing at a Juco and taking classes is more intensive than taking classes and working out with a QB guru. I think BK wants Golson to keep the 40 year plan on track by doing the school work needed to get back into ND. Golson however needs to worry about keeping his QB position as well as getting back in. I will trust that Golson will be back if he can be back. If he only focuses on school and becomes rusty he will be 2nd or maybe even 3rd string.

 

[Luckylucci]

Your taking BK a little out of context, Lucky. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but that was said when everyone thought EG was going to play ball at a Juco. Even playing at a Juco and taking classes is more intensive than taking classes and working out with a QB guru. I think BK wants Golson to keep the 40 year plan on track by doing the school work needed to get back into ND. Golson however needs to worry about keeping his QB position as well as getting back in. I will trust that Golson will be back if he can be back. If he only focuses on school and becomes rusty he will be 2nd or maybe even 3rd string.

I could have, thats why I said unclear. However, you then go on to say the bolded part. Which I is what I was talking about. I'll go back try to find it but I'm pretty sure he said worry about academics first and worry about being the QB of ND second. Its about prioritizing and its been stated many times that Golson has a problem with focusing on his academics. This isn't the only time its been a problem. Hey, if he can get the work done and workout to make himself a better QB of course I want that. But what good comes from focusing on keeping his job at ND if he can't get in. IMO, if his intention is to come back to ND, he should focus on that first.

 

[JughedJones]

Yeah, can you imagine what he's going through right now?

Statistically, one of the most prolific QBs in high school football history... you get a full ride to ND... get the starting job....lead ND back to the NCG.... get booted for dumbassery.

I think he might have a bit of football on the mind.

 

[NDinL.A.]

So Golson is spending the year in SB? That's big if true. No offense to Golson but there have been plenty of kids who fall out of their schools that "plan to come back" and don't. Hope we see him under center in 2014.

It's only 6 months, until the semester ends. Then he can come back (if he passes all stipulations) in time for winter conditioning.

Someone completely legit on ISD had friends in a foursome with Kelly about a month or so ago. The thread was quickly removed at the request of the OP, but I was with one of the mods in SOuth Bend last month and he told me what was in it. One of the interesting things in it was that Kelly told the group that he was 100% certain that Golson would be back. Since then, combined with other stuff I have heard from guys like TP, I haven't worried one iota about Golson. I expect him to be back next year "100%"...

 

[JughedJones]

It's only 6 months, until the semester ends. Then he can come back (if he passes all stipulations) in time for winter conditioning.

Someone completely legit on ISD had friends in a foursome with Kelly about a month or so ago. The thread was quickly removed at the request of the OP, but I was with one of the mods in SOuth Bend last month and he told me what was in it. One of the interesting things in it was that Kelly told the group that he was 100% certain that Golson would be back. Since then, combined with other stuff I have heard from guys like TP, I haven't worried one iota about Golson. I expect him to be back next year "100%"...

This makes me feel warm inside.

 

[Luckylucci]

This makes me feel warm inside.

Me as well, I won't worry about it. I may have been thinking too hard on this one, that rarely happens, haha.

 

[greyhammer90]

It's only 6 months, until the semester ends. Then he can come back (if he passes all stipulations) in time for winter conditioning.

Someone completely legit on ISD had friends in a foursome with Kelly about a month or so ago. The thread was quickly removed at the request of the OP, but I was with one of the mods in SOuth Bend last month and he told me what was in it. One of the interesting things in it was that Kelly told the group that he was 100% certain that Golson would be back. Since then, combined with other stuff I have heard from guys like TP, I haven't worried one iota about Golson. I expect him to be back next year "100%"...

Good! Sky's the limit for his potential.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Golson will be training summer and fall. As of now, I dont think he will enroll at any school from what I have heard, that may change obviously, but from what I have got he will not be in classes anywhere. I believe he will be in Chicago training.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Golson will be training summer and fall. As of now, I dont think he will enroll at any school from what I have heard, that may change obviously, but from what I have got he will not be in classes anywhere. I believe he will be in Chicago training.

So he has no academic progress goals to meet? He just has to sit in time out and not get into trouble for six months?

 

[ThePiombino]

It's only 6 months, until the semester ends. Then he can come back (if he passes all stipulations) in time for winter conditioning.

Someone completely legit on ISD had friends in a foursome with Kelly about a month or so ago. The thread was quickly removed at the request of the OP, but I was with one of the mods in SOuth Bend last month and he told me what was in it. One of the interesting things in it was that Kelly told the group that he was 100% certain that Golson would be back. Since then, combined with other stuff I have heard from guys like TP, I haven't worried one iota about Golson. I expect him to be back next year "100%"...

This sounds glorious.

 

[Corry]

If he does come back next year does he still have three years left?

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

If he does come back next year does he still have three years left?

No only 2.

 

[Luckylucci]

So he has no academic progress goals to meet? He just has to sit in time out and not get into trouble for six months?

My previous posts I had been operating under the assumption that he had something academic related to do but TP's posts clearly says that's not the case.

 

[BGIF]

If he does come back next year does he still have three years left?

Golson's 5 year NCAA eligibility clock:

'11 DNP
'12 Starter
'13 Ineligible, Out of school
'14 Eligible year remaining
'15 Eligible year remaining

 

[WestCoast]

Golson's 5 year NCAA eligibility clock:

'11 DNP
'12 Starter
'13 Ineligible, Out of school
'14 Eligible year remaining
'15 Eligible year remaining

I don't have any info to say/believe you are wrong, but do we know for sure he is using/losing a year of eligibility?

If he is not in fact enrolling anywhere (even JC), how is that any different than just delaying 1-year before entering college? Or taking 1-year off in the middle to go travel Europe or go on a "mission?"

Is it because he left last semester in "bad standing" at ND? Is he also in "bad standing" with the NCAA?

I imagine there is a rule on this and you may know it. So I again want to say I am not contradicting you, just rolling it around in my head.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I don't have any info to say/believe you are wrong, but do we know for sure he is using/losing a year of eligibility?

If he is not in fact enrolling anywhere (even JC), how is that any different than just delaying 1-year before entering college? Or taking 1-year off in the middle to go travel Europe or go on a "mission?"

Is it because he left last semester in "bad standing" at ND? Is he also in "bad standing" with the NCAA?

I imagine there is a rule on this and you may know it. So I again want to say I am not contradicting you, just rolling it around in my head.

Yup, it's 100% true per every ND reporter's articles that I read. Don't have an NCAA bylaw link, but pretty much everyone is saying this is the case.

 

[BGIF]

I don't have any info to say/believe you are wrong, but do we know for sure he is using/losing a year of eligibility?

If he is not in fact enrolling anywhere (even JC), how is that any different than just delaying 1-year before entering college? Or taking 1-year off in the middle to go travel Europe or go on a "mission?"

Is it because he left last semester in "bad standing" at ND? Is he also in "bad standing" with the NCAA?

I imagine there is a rule on this and you may know it. So I again want to say I am not contradicting you, just rolling it around in my head.

There is an NCAA 5 year rule that allows you 5 years to play 4. I've posted the text and linked the NCAA site to IE in the past.

The clock starts when you enroll and take classes which for Golson was '11. There are specific exemptions such as recognized missions which must be applied for and approved by the NCAA. Flunking out of school or getting tossed out doesn't isn't an exempt activity.

 

[WestCoast]

Ok, that's the difference (not leaving for a recognized absence). Thanks for the clarification.