'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

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connor_in

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Still...NOBODY here has ever shown any evidence of "tampering"...
ALL speculation.
It does NOT require any tampering by anyone to explain a kid changing his mind...
He could have done it independently...based on all of the information he already possessd...It could have been brought about by his specific interactions, post-LOI with NOTRE DAME...which, based on the statements by Eddie's father, is likely the case.

ONLY testimony we have here is that Vanderdoes feels that something Notre Dame did here was wrong. We do not know exactly whaty that may be. No one has yet said. Either whatever it is is worthy of him getting the release...or it isn't. No way for any of us to judge.

PRESUMING that the decision stemmed from tampering by UCLA is absolute unfounded speculation.
Ever consider this? If he doesn't end up at UCLA, he may likely end up at USC...and ND can face him four times.

Considering you are attacking people here about all of the speculating on this topic, you seem to be doing a ton of it yourself in just this one post. I think this is what you might call a legal "Pot/Kettle" or "Glass Houses" argument.
 

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How do you know the UCLA staff hasn't known? Aren't you in fact just speculating just as you are accusing us of doing? Show me some facts that prove that they didn't know. It did leak out at least a month and a half ago. Another member of this very board PM'd a mod mentioning that there was an issue with EV.

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Considering you are attacking people here about all of the speculating on this topic, you seem to be doing a ton of it yourself in just this one post. I think this is what you might call a legal "Pot/Kettle" or "Glass Houses" argument.

One thing that is for sure is I would never hire Bruin Steve as my lawyer. Demands hard evidence from everyone; sees no need to support any of his own claims with any evidence.

That's fail at Logic 101.
 

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How do you know the UCLA staff hasn't known? Aren't you in fact just speculating just as you are accusing us of doing? Show me some facts that prove that they didn't know. It did leak out at least a month and a half ago. Another member of this very board PM'd a mod mentioning that there was an issue with EV.

WE ALL KNOW that it leaked out a while ago...I don't know if anyone at UCLA was even paying that much attention at the time...
But, even if someone at UCLA may have heard the same information, that would not be "tampering"...
It just became generally known public information.
I DO know that UCLA did not take any action based on any such knowledge, assuming they may, like everyone else, have heard.
How do I know? Here's where you just have to trust me: I know several people within the Athletic Department.

There are always all sorts of rumors floating around about various players wishing to transfer out of their current schools. UCLA, Notre Dame and just about every other school and coaching staff has faced this issue before. The coaches are taught all of the rules. They know very well what they can and cannot do in such circumstances. The coaches at Notre Dame know. The coaches at UCLA know. It is the very rare coach that does not know how they are to handle these matters. All coaches actually must take and pass a test administered by the NCAA before they are even allowed to recruit.
 

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UCLA and Notre Dame at war with each other........ freakin wonderful.
 

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WE ALL KNOW that it leaked out a while ago...I don't know if anyone at UCLA was even paying that much attention at the time...
But, even if someone at UCLA may have heard the same information, that would not be "tampering"...
It just became generally known public information.
I DO know that UCLA did not take any action based on any such knowledge, assuming they may, like everyone else, have heard.
How do I know? Here's where you just have to trust me: I know several people within the Athletic Department.

There are always all sorts of rumors floating around about various players wishing to transfer out of their current schools. UCLA, Notre Dame and just about every other school and coaching staff has faced this issue before. The coaches are taught all of the rules. They know very well what they can and cannot do in such circumstances. The coaches at Notre Dame know. The coaches at UCLA know. It is the very rare coach that does not know how they are to handle these matters. All coaches actually must take and pass a test administered by the NCAA before they are even allowed to recruit.

So by using this logic why does any college ever make recruiting infractions or violations. It is pure speculation on the tampering but to say that they know the rules so couldn't have done it doesn't make any sense. Programs cheat all the time and not because they didn't know the rules. They know the rules but winning is more important.
 

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WE ALL KNOW that it leaked out a while ago...I don't know if anyone at UCLA was even paying that much attention at the time...
But, even if someone at UCLA may have heard the same information, that would not be "tampering"...
It just became generally known public information.
I DO know that UCLA did not take any action based on any such knowledge, assuming they may, like everyone else, have heard.
How do I know? Here's where you just have to trust me: I know several people within the Athletic Department.

Yeah OK buddy. So we're supposed to trust you, because you "know people"... but we can't trust any of our sources or people we know in the athletic department...

Like anyone in there would readily admit to you that they were tampering so you could go post it on a message board.... LOL. That's one of the most stupid things I've ever read on here. And that's saying something.

And whether they know the rules is irrelevant. Coaches all the time opt to break those rules they know to gain an edge by their own volition. Bruce Pearl, Lane Kiffin, etc. etc. etc. etc. History is littered with these coaches that actually managed to get caught, and there are dozens more that haven't.
 

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I knew about it a week or so before it broke (from GITF) and when I asked around I was basically the last one to have heard. Everyone already knew, which made it shocking it was still under wraps. Probably because, at first blush, it seemed ridiculous and people dismissed it.

But your first sentence, presented as a statement, is just as speculative but you feel comfortable stating it as fact. Again... I'll ask you this... how is it that UCLA insiders when this "broke" were so well informed and knew it had been happening for weeks and knew he intended to go to UCLA unless there was contact between Eddie and UCLA? How could they possibly know that was where he was trying to go unless there had been some contact? Initiated by Eddie or UCLA is irrelevant. It's really naive to think he decided to push through with all of this without any contact with UCLA to, at minimum, determine it was a plausible landing spot and would all be OK.

And I've heard from multiple people that ND coaches think/know there was impermissible contact with UCLA. Could they be wrong? Sure. Will we ever get evidence? Absolutely not. But there is nothing you can possibly provide that will convince me otherwise. It just doesn't fit with the course of events.

Again, it has been going on for two months. Only those involved knew that from the start. Everyone else learned some time between then and now. By now, seems everyone knows.

That he intends to go to UCLA is, likewise, now public knowledge. Not because of contact but because of statements by the family...and because of history. We clearly figured UCLA was a strong possibility because they initially said he wanted to be closer to home (seems to rule out Alabama clearly) and UCLA was one of his "finalists". Not a big lap of logic. Everyone knows UCLA has a scholarship or two that should be open. They just had two players take early medical retirement. It doesn't take a phone call to anyone to figure that out. Just read the LA Times. He knew he was already admitted to UCLA--because he learned of that BEFORE letter of intent day.

So, without calling anyone or without a call from anyone, he knows:
1) He likes the school and was recruited hard by them.
2) There are scholarships available.
3) He has already been admitted to the school

Yes, things could always change without him knowing. But, seriously, he's a 5-star recruit who has to figure that if he announced he was going ANYWHERE tomorrow, whatever school that would be would find a way to make room for him. If a 5-star recruit at a position of need called Brian Kelly tommorow (after recieving clearance, of course) and said "Coach, I want to come to Notre Dame", would they find a way to accommodate him?

The worst that happens is UCLA says, "Sorry son. we just gave out that last open ride" Then, he'd either have to decide to enroll anyway, pay his own way and hope another ride opens up--which would be one year at the most...or he'd have to pick from among the dozens of other schools that would likely drool at the idea.

If Notre Dame coaches REALLY have any evidence of tampering by UCLA, then nothing to lose by spiolling it right now.

EXCEPT THAT IT DOESN'T EXIST.
 

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Again, it has been going on for two months. Only those involved knew that from the start. Everyone else learned some time between then and now. By now, seems everyone knows.

That he intends to go to UCLA is, likewise, now public knowledge. Not because of contact but because of statements by the family...and because of history. We clearly figured UCLA was a strong possibility because they initially said he wanted to be closer to home (seems to rule out Alabama clearly) and UCLA was one of his "finalists". Not a big lap of logic. Everyone knows UCLA has a scholarship or two that should be open. They just had two players take early medical retirement. It doesn't take a phone call to anyone to figure that out. Just read the LA Times. He knew he was already admitted to UCLA--because he learned of that BEFORE letter of intent day.

So, without calling anyone or without a call from anyone, he knows:
1) He likes the school and was recruited hard by them.
2) There are scholarships available.
3) He has already been admitted to the school

Yes, things could always change without him knowing. But, seriously, he's a 5-star recruit who has to figure that if he announced he was going ANYWHERE tomorrow, whatever school that would be would find a way to make room for him. If a 5-star recruit at a position of need called Brian Kelly tommorow (after recieving clearance, of course) and said "Coach, I want to come to Notre Dame", would they find a way to accommodate him?

The worst that happens is UCLA says, "Sorry son. we just gave out that last open ride" Then, he'd either have to decide to enroll anyway, pay his own way and hope another ride opens up--which would be one year at the most...or he'd have to pick from among the dozens of other schools that would likely drool at the idea.

If Notre Dame coaches REALLY have any evidence of tampering by UCLA, then nothing to lose by spiolling it right now.

EXCEPT THAT IT DOESN'T EXIST.

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I haven't seen anything from anyone in any official capacity at Notre Dame stating they were "mad at UCLA"...Just alleged third-hand message board posts here.

If anyone OFFICIALLY at Notre Dame has any actual evidence of tampering by UCLA, then, no doubt, they could just put it out there in public.

Of course, they won't because they don't.

Frankly, I don't care about UCLA. Whether they are innocent or guilty of tampering it doesn't change the situation. Let's cut the sh*t, though. I don't need a smoking gun. I can use circumstantial evidence, instincts and life experience to solve this mystery. UCLA is not an innocent bystander.

I don't know what happened but if I had to SPECULATE, I'd say Eddie put a feeler out to Fitts. Fitts went to the coaches. Coaches gave Fitts a wink wink nod nod and here we are.
 

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Recent premium Rivals article has an updated profile of Vanderdoes that describes him as "literally the worst high school prospect of all time in all measurable facets including talent, skill, and motivation; we award him zero stars and may God have mercy on his soul."
 
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Recent premium Rivals article has an updated profile of Vanderdoes that describes him as "literally the worst high school prospect of all time in all measurable facets including talent, skill, and motivation; we award him zero stars and may God have mercy on his soul."


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Recent premium Rivals article has an updated profile of Vanderdoes that describes him as "literally the worst high school prospect of all time in all measurable facets including talent, skill, and motivation; we award him zero stars and may God have mercy on his soul."

lol.. you forgot, "we are all worse football players for having watched the film..."

love that moment of Billy Mad.... give me the giggles every time.
 

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Yeah OK buddy. So we're supposed to trust you, because you "know people"... but we can't trust any of our sources or people we know in the athletic department...

Like anyone in there would readily admit to you that they were tampering so you could go post it on a message board.... LOL. That's one of the most stupid things I've ever read on here. And that's saying something.

And whether they know the rules is irrelevant. Coaches all the time opt to break those rules they know to gain an edge by their own volition. Bruce Pearl, Lane Kiffin, etc. etc. etc. etc. History is littered with these coaches that actually managed to get caught, and there are dozens more that haven't.

I'm laughing pretty hard reading this one!

Reps Lax!
 
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At closer look I'm convinced bruin Steve is irishtrinity trolling the board.

You suckers!
 
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