'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

[PANDFAN]

So we are not supposed to take any highly rated kid that decommits from another school and commits to ours?? Bye Stephon Tuitt...



4 kids in 4 years? not to mention, your basing your assessment of "high caliber" kids recruiting services. What production have the had for ND minus Aaron Lynch?



Most schools don't get 5 star talent to begin with. 9x% of the schools don't have the academic rigors that ND has. Kids are not as committed to working their asses of in school and not getting playing time. Also, several schools send kids packing and replace them with the next kid in line that can produce for the football team. I.E. you don't hear about it...

IrishPat I usually agree with you on most subjects. Take a deep breath and realize that our coach that just took us to the National title game with absolutely 0 impact from any of the previously mentioned players.

preach brother preach

 

[goldandblue]

WOW!! Are you my brother from another mother?

Think my dad did live in Ohio for a brief stint.... LOL

 

[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

I don’t see how going after the top flight players is a recruiting MISTAKE. However, the seemingly incessant struggles of holding onto these players is a MAJOR area of concern if you truly want a dominant program with elite talent and depth. Still, I don’t think it’s fair to pin this on BK. Rather at Notre Dame, there appear to be some endemic hurdles (academics?, weather?, a litany of things of which I’m sure many people outside the program are unaware) to garnering and maintaining a healthy amount of top tier talent necessary to consistently compete for national titles. I truly believe BK navigates and manages this difficult terrain as well as anyone out there. And I also believe that it is precisely these obstacles that have prevented guys like Saban, Spurrier, and Meyer from seriously considering coaching at Notre Dame. Hats off to BK for his willingness to welcome the challenge(s). I hope he sticks around and finds a way to curtail the potentially problematic effects of these defections.

 

[Emcee77]

It's pretty obvious to me it has to do with the actual character of the kid being recruited. This might seem like a localized problem to ND, but it's more of an issue with 5 star not having his head on straight syndrome and has plagued other schools too. Look at USC's class that had Dillon Baxter... Had something like 4 or 5 five star players sign LOIs and think all but one ended up not with the program.

The way you account for this attrition is JUCOs and oversigning. We do neither, so sucks to be us.

Right, to me this is the only thing that bums me out about this situation. It's not just our 5-stars who leave the program; it happens everywhere. But it hurts us more because we can't go recruit the D'haquille Whatshisname's of the world (D'haquille = juco prospect who some analysts call best WR prospect they've seen)

 

[NDohio]

I don’t see how going after the top flight players is a recruiting MISTAKE. However, the seemingly incessant struggles of holding onto these players is a MAJOR area of concern if you truly want a dominant program with elite talent and depth. Still, I don’t think it’s fair to pin this on BK. Rather at Notre Dame, there appear to be some endemic hurdles (academics?, weather?, a litany of things of which I’m sure many people outside the program are unaware) to garnering and maintaining a healthy amount of top tier talent necessary to consistently compete for national titles. I truly believe BK navigates and manages this difficult terrain as well as anyone out there. And I also believe that it is precisely these obstacles that have prevented guys like Saban, Spurrier, and Meyer from seriously considering coaching at Notre Dame. Hats off to BK for his willingness to welcome the challenge(s). I hope he sticks around and finds a way to curtail the potentially problematic effects of these defections.

Well said.

 

[NDBoiler]

I don’t see how going after the top flight players is a recruiting MISTAKE. However, the seemingly incessant struggles of holding onto these players is a MAJOR area of concern if you truly want a dominant program with elite talent and depth. Still, I don’t think it’s fair to pin this on BK. Rather at Notre Dame, there appear to be some endemic hurdles (academics?, weather?, a litany of things of which I’m sure many people outside the program are unaware) to garnering and maintaining a healthy amount of top tier talent necessary to consistently compete for national titles. I truly believe BK navigates and manages this difficult terrain as well as anyone out there. And I also believe that it is precisely these obstacles that have prevented guys like Saban, Spurrier, and Meyer from seriously considering coaching at Notre Dame. Hats off to BK for his willingness to welcome the challenge(s). I hope he sticks around and finds a way to curtail the potentially problematic effects of these defections.

Bingo on that. I think the key is also that BK is willing to take the risk to try a get "borderline" recruit in (whether academically or attitude-wise) and deal with the consequences. Unfortunately, we as fans just don't like to see it when these risks don't pan out., but hey, you'll never know for sure unless you try, right?

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Blame the staff: For going after 5star talent, some of which have character issues and are borderline with academics. However, like TP said, the staff gets them to ND. It's up to the kids to "rise up" and take on the challenge. Some can. Some can't. Note: I'm being sarcastic here. This is not the staff's fault whatsoever. They've proven time and time again that they can recruit and develop players. The roster is loaded. Does it suck to lose these types of elite players? Absolutely. But looking at the transfers case by case, not one has been because of the staff. Some kids just can't hack it at ND, plain and simple. We should be thankful the staff at least tries. Previous regimes wouldn't have tried the Nix, Tuitt, Redfield, etc of the world. This staff does. And when one doesn't pan out, lets not jump off a cliff and hang the staff.

Blame the kids/families: For having a superiority complex and acting like prima donnas. You can always tell when a kid is of high character by how he and his family handle recruiting. There are few exceptions: Tuitt - who was torn, but ultimately made the right decision and has done great) but the norm is like Anzalone - who just can't handle the limelight/pressure and make rash decisions...and then bail.

Blame the university: For not allowing JUCOs and oversigning. It's time for this to be addressed if they want to keep up with the other football elites. Note: I'm not supporting mass oversignings. But ND needs to oversign by a few to make up for these types of last minutes losses.

 

[fitz_bu47]

Again...all of those guys had insane recrutments. The writing was on the wall. And I'm not saying it's ALL Kelly's fault...but at this point, what's the common denominator?

While it's nice to defend Kelly until he eventually takes a job in the NFL, you have to admit he's done a **** poor job keeping high caliber guys on the roster once they get here.

Whether he is a poor judge of character from the begining, or he is hard to play for.

Any other schools seeing this kind of defection of 5 star guys? (wondering) Any COACH seeing this?

The common denominator in these situations is Me first 18 year olds who thanks to Rivals, and Scout (and us), think they are God's gift to football and whatever school they attend, far before they have done ANYTHING worth noting. The only one of the 4 5 stars mentioned that I will miss is Neal. His situation sucked for us, but he handled it like a man, and I wish him well. I don't know what to think about Tee, but Eddie, and Lynch to me represent exactly what I talked about above.

I will apologize for this comment towards Eddie, if it comes out he has a legit reason to want to stay close, but pouting b/c you changed your mind and want to be in Cali doesn't count in my book.

I don't see how Kelly and Co. can be blamed for this stuff. Notre Dame is a special place and a special opportunity for these kids, and it takes special kids to choose to move across the country and actually have to work for grades, deal with weather, etc. etc. It's easier to stay home w/ Mom. If Eddie is one of these kids, good luck, peace and hair grease. Notre Dame will be fine, and has plenty of high quality, and VERY talented kids (since Kelly and co. got there) who want to accept the challenge of Notre Dame.

 

[fitz_bu47]

That said, this is very disappointing and I was very excited to watch him play. He will be a beast.

 

[greyhammer90]

So ND is supposed to revoke his LOI because of a personal reason that we don't know? Is that where we are?

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Damn I knew he was going to end up at Chico State...

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Ok my head is spinning....if someone would please PM me a short summary of where we are at...

 

[peoriairish]

So ND is supposed to revoke his LOI because of a personal reason that we don't know? Is that where we are?

I would be very upset if this were to occur. I don't care if he tells them his 'personal reason' and it truly is a reason he needs to stay home and we never find out what it is. But if that's the case, he better go to a school closer than UCLA, which is 6 hours away. This could open up a very slippery slope.

 

[NDohio]

So ND is supposed to revoke his LOI because of a personal reason that we don't know? Is that where we are?

It's gotta be his dad's fear of flying

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

This has shades of Seantrel Henderson....no?! Does Eddie's father rap?

 

[irishff1014]

I would be very upset if this were to occur. I don't care if he tells them his 'personal reason' and it truly is a reason he needs to stay home and we never find out what it is. But if that's the case, he better go to a school closer than UCLA, which is 6 hours away. This could open up a very slippery slope.

Being home sick doesn't cut it. you knew how far away it was you didn't care then to late to care know.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>hearing he wants <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23UCLA">#UCLA</a> transfer @<a href="https://twitter.com/cminusavg">cminusavg</a>: @<a href="https://twitter.com/rivalsmike">rivalsmike</a> you have any insight into the developing ND / Eddie Vanderdoos saga???<a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23anxiety">#anxiety</a></p>— Mike Farrell (@rivalsmike) <a href="https://twitter.com/rivalsmike/status/336926211164999680">May 21, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Pachuco]

There are several ways to look at the collective problem, many of which have already been mentioned. Family pressure/influence is a tremendous force. If you are brought up with the principle that honoring a commitment is a responsibility, and not a luxury, then you honor the commitment baring extreme circumstances (which do arise). With that said, recruiters face this risk with every accepted commitment. Character reveals itself over time, and is not an immediate conclusion. These kids are also growing up in an entitlement based society AND a NCAA system that often exploits the athletic abilities of young people at the expense of their overall development. For many, it only makes sense that a predominant attitude is "I'm going to get mine at all costs." I'm not saying this is the case for EV, but defections in college sports really aren't that surprising these days.

 

[CarrollVermin]

If I am ND, and he does want out, I would allow his transfer, and put very restrictive terms to it. ND has to protect itself and must also send a message that this behavior has no place with our recruits. By limit, I mean, no other BCS schools.

 

[GBdomer]

Per Pete Sampson he wants to be released and go to Ucla
Bruins expect him to be part of staff, ND has not released him
No one knows what the friction is, but once again they said its a academic issue. I am told its not (GB)
ND coaching staff is pretty ****in pissed

 

[CarrollVermin]

Would never, never give this kid what he wants.

 

[Kanye West]

UCLA is getting all these transfers, and such. Something is suspicious.

 

[NDPhilly]

UCLA ISN'T EVEN ****IN CLOSE TO HOME. Jesus Christ that's like me goin to college in North Carolina and saying "I chose it cause its close to home"

 

[IrishLax]

No matter what ND needs to file tampering claim against UCLA. No way they "expect him to be part of the team" for weeks without contact of some sort.

 

[Kanye West]

UCLA ISN'T EVEN ****IN CLOSE TO HOME. Jesus Christ that's like me goin to college in North Carolina and saying "I chose it cause its close to home"

This and Shell are pretty sketchy.

 

[IrishLax]

UCLA ISN'T EVEN ****IN CLOSE TO HOME. Jesus Christ that's like me goin to college in North Carolina and saying "I chose it cause its close to home"

I was about to post exactly this.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

UCLA is learning from USC now?

 

[KyfightingIrish36]

UCLA is a pretty good school in terms of a degree so if he had academic issues wouldn't it be the same there?

 

[irishff1014]

Just let him let go so we can get rid of this damn drama. Its clear he isn't good enough for ND!!!!!!

 

[Luckylucci]

No matter what ND needs to file tampering claim against UCLA. No way they "expect him to be part of the team" for weeks without contact of some sort.

I am starting to think exactly this. Until he is actually released they can't be contacting him, correct? So how is there any communication at all.