Who is likely next?

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Fbolt said:
Thanks WJack-off the top of my head, I can see Utupo, Lombard as good bets to return. Based on a variety of factors such as injuries, depth, transfers(!)-and oh yeah, if they get into grad school: maybe Collingsworth, Hendrix, Wood, Moore.
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Whiskeyjack said:
Seniors with remaining eligibility include: Hendrix, Massa, Welch, Heggie, Lombard, Utupo, Nix, Moore, Wood and Collinsworth. My initial guess would be that we'll bring back 3 from that group, but we always end up taking more than expected. I'll say five 5Ys, which would leave 20 spots for incoming freshman.
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My guesses on the liklihood each gets a 5th year offer, based on no other significant roster moves:

- Lombard: 99%
- Moore: 99% (We are not going to send a ILB packing anytime in the near future)
- Hendrix: 80% (QB depth- if he is leaving, we better get a 5th year transfer!)
- Welch: 60% (depends on his health and performce this year)
- Wood: 50% (depends on his performce this year and the development of other other back-ups)
- Collinsworth: 25% (health and safety log jam)
- Utupo: 15%
- Heggie: 5%
- Massa: 5%
- Nix: 1% (NFL)


So my guess would be 3 (Lombard and Moore for sure, Welch/Hendrox maybe), but possible up to 5 (Welch/Hendrix, maybe Wood).

If Hendrix is leaving, they better start getting Malik some serious practice reps!
 
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Graduation Rate Impact

Graduation Rate Impact

As CBK continues to pull in top-notch recruiting classes going forward and builds up serious roster depth that ND hasn't had in some time, is there some danger that the team's graduation rate, which I think all ND football fans take very seriously and view as an important cornerstone of what makes the ND football program different from almost all other big-time programs, would suffer as a result of higher than ND's historical average of the number of guys choosing to transfer for playing time or going to the NFL early?

It was one thing when the recruits were lower profile guys who stuck around for four years knowing that the NFL would be a long shot, but for the collection of top-rated guys coming in now who might have a different mindset with regards to football vs. graduation and the academic experience, they may not want to wait around three years to play or may feel like they should bounce early to enter the draft. I'm sure the staff is recruiting certain types of guys to mitigate this risk, but I see it as a real challenge to maintain that type of mindset when recruiting reaches that top-flight set of prospects who see the NFL as their most tangible professional opportunity.
 
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Pretty sure transfers don't count against the grad rates. And I'm not worried about the one or two guys every couple of years that might go pro early. Shouldn't change the grad rate significantly enough to warrant any sort of concern. My opinion.
 
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BleedBlueGold said:
Pretty sure transfers don't count against the grad rates. And I'm not worried about the one or two guys every couple of years that might go pro early. Shouldn't change the grad rate significantly enough to warrant any sort of concern. My opinion.
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depends why they transfer but you are correct in that they don't hurt your grad rate.
 
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No attrition from your football program hurts you if those students are academically eligible at the time of the attrition. "Going pro early" and "transferring for playing time" are considered personal lifepath decisions not to be viewed as failures by the University. If the university has done its job {the player is in good academic standing} then it is not punished for personal decisions.
 
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Domina Nostra said:
My guesses on the liklihood each gets a 5th year offer, based on no other significant roster moves:

- Lombard: 99%
- Moore: 99% (We are not going to send a ILB packing anytime in the near future)
- Hendrix: 80% (QB depth- if he is leaving, we better get a 5th year transfer!)
- Welch: 60% (depends on his health and performce this year)
- Wood: 50% (depends on his performce this year and the development of other other back-ups)
- Collinsworth: 25% (health and safety log jam)
- Utupo: 15%
- Heggie: 5%
- Massa: 5%
- Nix: 1% (NFL)


So my guess would be 3 (Lombard and Moore for sure, Welch/Hendrox maybe), but possible up to 5 (Welch/Hendrix, maybe Wood).

If Hendrix is leaving, they better start getting Malik some serious practice reps!
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Agreed on all accounts, and the bolded bears special emphasis. We need Hendrix to return for a 5Y in order to maintain ideal QB depth and to provide some veteran leadership for our very young QB corps. I was heartened when TP reported that Hendrix seems to have made some major strides recently. Here's hoping he takes the #2 spot from Rees so he'll consider sticking around.

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No attrition from your football program hurts you if those students are academically eligible at the time of the attrition. "Going pro early" and "transferring for playing time" are considered personal lifepath decisions not to be viewed as failures by the University. If the university has done its job {the player is in good academic standing} then it is not punished for personal decisions.
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Exactly. So Jordan Prestwood, who allegedly transferred due to academic struggles, may have hurt our GSR, but Aaron Lynch and Gunner Kiel probably didn't.
 
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NDdomer2 said:
Think he pops after his visit this week huh?

I am thinking Nelson. Multiple reports saying he is going to be next mixed with a visit from Harry H. = commitment.
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Agreed. I hope Hood pops shortly after his visit.
 
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Domina Nostra said:
My guesses on the liklihood each gets a 5th year offer, based on no other significant roster moves:

- Lombard: 99%
- Moore: 99% (We are not going to send a ILB packing anytime in the near future)
- Hendrix: 80% (QB depth- if he is leaving, we better get a 5th year transfer!)
- Welch: 60% (depends on his health and performce this year)
- Wood: 50% (depends on his performce this year and the development of other other back-ups)
- Collinsworth: 25% (health and safety log jam)
- Utupo: 15%
- Heggie: 5%
- Massa: 5%
- Nix: 1% (NFL)


So my guess would be 3 (Lombard and Moore for sure, Welch/Hendrox maybe), but possible up to 5 (Welch/Hendrix, maybe Wood).

If Hendrix is leaving, they better start getting Malik some serious practice reps!
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I think Wood is much more likely to comeback than that. I would say at least 75%.
 
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Agreed on all accounts, and the bolded bears special emphasis. We need Hendrix to return for a 5Y in order to maintain ideal QB depth and to provide some veteran leadership for our very young QB corps. I was heartened when TP reported that Hendrix seems to have made some major strides recently. Here's hoping he takes the #2 spot from Rees so he'll consider sticking around.
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What if Hendrix makes it apparent that he wants either med school or to play somewhere else, would they consider "redshirting" Rees? Hell he'll probably be back as a GA anyway haha
 
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Buster Bluth said:
What if Hendrix makes it apparent that he wants either med school or to play somewhere else, would they consider "redshirting" Rees? Hell he'll probably be back as a GA anyway haha
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I know you say this in jest but I think our program would benefit greatly from having Tommy as a GA.
 
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Buster Bluth said:
What if Hendrix makes it apparent that he wants either med school or to play somewhere else, would they consider "redshirting" Rees? Hell he'll probably be back as a GA anyway haha
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I was wondering the same thing. It's probably too much to ask that he play zero snaps this year (unless he gets hurt), but if somehow he ended up redshirting this year, I wouldn't think it was all bad.
 
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Buster Bluth said:
What if Hendrix makes it apparent that he wants either med school or to play somewhere else, would they consider "redshirting" Rees? Hell he'll probably be back as a GA anyway haha
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It doesn't seem like Kelly's style to me, but I think this is going to be moot since Golson will inevitably get banged up at some point and Coach will immediately turn to Rees unless we are up by 25.

But I also think that if Hendrix wants to go to medical school, he'll stay and play his 5th year if asked. Hendrix does not strike me as the kind of kid who is going to go to Kent State to be QB for a year, dreaming of the NFL. And I bet 99% of medical schools would let a kid defer to be the QB at ND. Plus, there are a lot of academic things a pre-med could accomplish in that year, from biology and chemistry courses, to business stuff. I don't think his head will be in that much danger!
 
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KyfightingIrish36 said:
#NotreDame recruiting notes including Braden Smith, TE/Big Skill Targets, quarterbacks & more: Notre Dame Recruiting Notes 4/25 via @247Sports #Irish
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Lot of good stuff in this update, some of the highlights:

Steve believes we still lead for B. Smith and should get an official from him at some point

He also believes me may have became the leader for Mark Andrews but that recruitment has a ways to go

Nyles Morgan was also contacted recently and we are in his top 3

Everything with Starks is progressing nicely.
 
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Old Man Mike said:
No attrition from your football program hurts you if those students are academically eligible at the time of the attrition. "Going pro early" and "transferring for playing time" are considered personal lifepath decisions not to be viewed as failures by the University. If the university has done its job {the player is in good academic standing} then it is not punished for personal decisions.
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A kid going pro early shouldn't be viewed as any sort of "failure" but I'm pretty sure it does count against your GSR, right?
Either way, hasn't been much of an issue under Kelly. Only Kyle Rudolph, who only even played half a season for Kelly, has left prior to his senior year as a student. Tuitt certainly might, and who knows with some of the incoming freshmen. But so far Kelly has done a very good job recruiting his seniors to stay another year.
 
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stlnd01 said:
A kid going pro early shouldn't be viewed as any sort of "failure" but I'm pretty sure it does count against your GSR, right?
Either way, hasn't been much of an issue under Kelly. Only Kyle Rudolph, who only even played half a season for Kelly, has left prior to his senior year as a student. Tuitt certainly mighty, and who knows with some of the incoming freshmen. But so far Kelly has done a very good job recruiting his seniors to stay another year.
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No. I can't get the link right now, but as long as an athlete is academically eligible when he leaves, regardless of reason, it doesn't count against GSR.
 
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Any thought as to whether Hood wood commit this weekend, within a week or so of visit, or long haul wait?
 
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