Game of Thrones

[magogian]

So many story elements/parts I like at this point in the plot:
1. the grudging respect between Jamie and Brienne
2. Tywin telling Cersei that he doesn't like her because she isn't as smart as she thinks she is
3. Daenerys - because she is just badass.

 

[magogian]

Loved that episode. The great thing about the way Martin writes is that there are some characters you loathe, but who grow and change. They redeem themselves and you find yourself suddenly liking or at least pitying them. Characters don't stay exactly the same.

Yep. Jamie being the prime example. When he says "my sword hand was me" or something to that effect, it is so true.

I do sometimes get annoyed when I feel sympathy for loathsome characters, Jamie being one of them.

I can't imagine Martin could ever make me feel sympathy for Cersei or Joffrey.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I didn't quite understand what the dude who captured/tricked Theon Grayjoy was doing and why. Did he take Grayjoy to Grayjoy's sister/father to be tortured? Why? (I assume he didn't take him back to the Starks to try and look like a hero, since he was seen freeing him in the first place).

And why would Grayjoy's family want to torture him?

 

[magogian]

I didn't quite understand what the dude who captured/tricked Theon Grayjoy was doing and why. Did he take Grayjoy to Grayjoy's sister/father to be tortured? Why? (I assume he didn't take him back to the Starks to try and look like a hero, since he was seen freeing him in the first place).

And why would Grayjoy's family want to torture him?

I didn't really get that either. Was that in the books? (no spoilers please). I just don't recall that part.

 

[IrishinTN]

Wasn't in the books, but he brought him back to where he had been. Did it for kicks. The dude who was "helping" him is a sick, sick man. Quite honestly, IMO any way, the most evil character in the series.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Wasn't in the books, but he brought him back to where he had been. Did it for kicks. The dude who was "helping" him is a sick, sick man. Quite honestly, IMO any way, the most evil character in the series.

But they (the Stark captors) saw the freer's face and attacked him before, so why weren't they pissed at him when he showed back up? Clearly they weren't in on the trick when they were shooting arrows at him, right?

 

[gkIrish]

I didn't quite understand what the dude who captured/tricked Theon Grayjoy was doing and why. Did he take Grayjoy to Grayjoy's sister/father to be tortured? Why? (I assume he didn't take him back to the Starks to try and look like a hero, since he was seen freeing him in the first place).

And why would Grayjoy's family want to torture him?

I didn't really get that either. Was that in the books? (no spoilers please). I just don't recall that part.

Wasn't in the books, but he brought him back to where he had been. Did it for kicks. The dude who was "helping" him is a sick, sick man. Quite honestly, IMO any way, the most evil character in the series.

At this point they aren't going to follow the book with regards to Reek/Ramsay so I think I can safely "spoil" some things for you all. Don't keep reading if you don't want to know..

Book: Ramsay Bolton is Roose Bolton's bastard son. He is thought to be killed. You later find out that he switched clothes with Reek, one of his "followers." Ramsay is the one that tortures Theon.

TV Show: I'm assuming the original person that tortured Theon was Reek. You can think about the rest.

 

[mgriff]

Okay, that guy with Theon, (let's call him BoB) took him back to where Theon was being held. It was obviously a huge game to BoB and he did it to torture Theon. It's what gets BoB off. They elaborate on this character and relationship as we go on. What's important is the symbolism of that room. There are one or two clues as to just what the **** is going on in regard to where he is and who is doing the torturing. If you're observant they are there and can figure out who BoB is and who has custody of Theon.

Also, that Daenerys scene was masterfully worked. I've been waiting for that all damn season and they really had the book jump of the pages there for me. This was probably the best episode of the season. Keep your tissues handy ladies and gents.

 

[mgriff]

At this point they aren't going to follow the book with regards to Reek/Ramsay so I think I can safely "spoil" some things for you all. Don't keep reading if you don't want to know..

Book: Ramsay Bolton is Roose Bolton's bastard son. He is thought to be killed. You later find out that he switched clothes with Reek, one of his "followers." Ramsay is the one that tortures Theon.

TV Show: I'm assuming the original person that tortured Theon was Reek. You can think about the rest.

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Reek isn't going to be in this show. What we are about to see is Theon's devolution to Reek. Reek would already have been taken and killed by Ser Rodrick. What we are missing here is Reek and Ramsay's adventures with the miller's kids, because it is "Reek's" idea to flay the children and sub them for the Stark boys. The great part about this is Theon's realization about who has him after they spent all that time in Winterfell together. Then Ramsay makes Theon into his new Reek. We are picking up at this last part I just mentioned. There is no way for them to have that realization since show Theon took Dagmer to the mill and book Theon had Reek(Ramsay in disguise) as his pal at Winterfell and the mill.

 

[IrishinTN]

But they (the Stark captors) saw the freer's face and attacked him before, so why weren't they pissed at him when he showed back up? Clearly they weren't in on the trick when they were shooting arrows at him, right?

They weren't Starks, they were Bolton men and no, they weren't aware of Ramsey's "fun". He likes it that way. You will see.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

lol. I've literally watched every minute of the show, and I have no idea who Roost Bolton is...Probably says more about me than the show.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

I began to like Jaime around this point in the plot. Tyrion is awesome. I don't want to spoil anything but there is so much ridiculousness yet to come. Can't wait to see it on TV.

Same here regarding Jaime.

IMO- It's what makes this story great. You wind up sympathizing with almost every character and "seeing" their side of the story and why they feel their pov is right.

I can't wait for the Tyrion story in ASOS to kick into high gear although I think it'll be in season 4.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

lol. I've literally watched every minute of the show, and I have no idea who Roost Bolton is...Probably says more about me than the show.

It's not just you.
I started reading the books three episodes into season 1 and couldn't believe how much I missed and misunderstood.
Oh, and I believe it's Roose.

Roose Bolton is one of Ned/Robb Stark's banner men.
His coat of arms is a flayed man.

 

[IrishinTN]

lol. I've literally watched every minute of the show, and I have no idea who Roost Bolton is...Probably says more about me than the show.

Roose Bolton is one of Ned/Robb Stark's banner men.
His coat of arms is a flayed man.

Roose Bolton is very disappointed in both of you. Keep it up and you may end up like his ex-wife...

 

[Corry]

This show is crazy, the only thing I don't like is at the end of every show I have more questions than answers. Like why the hell did that archer dude kill all of those people, and then take the Iron Isles dude back to hell?

 

[Buster Bluth]

This show is crazy, the only thing I don't like is at the end of every show I have more questions than answers.

I'd advise you to stay the hell away from Lost.

 

[connor_in]

I'd advise you to stay the hell away from Lost.

I did ...about 3 episodes into season 2... and after discussing it with others as the show went on, I feel I made the right decision

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

This show is crazy, the only thing I don't like is at the end of every show I have more questions than answers. Like why the hell did that archer dude kill all of those people, and then take the Iron Isles dude back to hell?

Sadism.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Bell Tower at Wisconsin-Madison playing the theme.

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[IrishHokie22]

*spoilers* (I suppose)




For those of you who have read the books (like me), do you remember anything about Varys and his sorcerer? I don't recall reading anything about Varys having his sorcerer captured. Do any of you, or is this something that's only in the show?

I've thoroughly enjoyed this season, though I will admit that a few differences I've noticed between the show and book has bothered me a bit. Not enough to take away from my enjoyment from the show, but I seem to catch myself saying sometimes "wait, it didn't happen exactly like that".

 

[gkIrish]

*spoilers* (I suppose)




For those of you who have read the books (like me), do you remember anything about Varys and his sorcerer? I don't recall reading anything about Varys having his sorcerer captured. Do any of you, or is this something that's only in the show?

I've thoroughly enjoyed this season, though I will admit that a few differences I've noticed between the show and book has bothered me a bit. Not enough to take away from my enjoyment from the show, but I seem to catch myself saying sometimes "wait, it didn't happen exactly like that".

I remember the story about the sorcerer but nothing about him being captured.

 

[ND NYC]

with you hokie...

 

[Whiskeyjack]

One of the best episodes of TV I can remember. They honestly surpassed the book with the Daenerys scene. That was just an unbelievable episode.

Absolutely.

For those of you who have read the books (like me), do you remember anything about Varys and his sorcerer? I don't recall reading anything about Varys having his sorcerer captured. Do any of you, or is this something that's only in the show?

The sorceror's capture wasn't in the books at all, but it's entirely in line with Varys' character, and it afforded the producers a good opportunity to reveal some things about Varys' modus operandi. I thought it was a nice addition.

I've thoroughly enjoyed this season, though I will admit that a few differences I've noticed between the show and book has bothered me a bit. Not enough to take away from my enjoyment from the show, but I seem to catch myself saying sometimes "wait, it didn't happen exactly like that".

My initial reaction was the same, which is to be expected; those who have read the books are protective of them (in typical fanboy style). But as the show rolls on, I'm beginning to believe that it's actually better than the books. The time constraints inherent to the medium have forced a rigorous editing of the story that Martin's books apparently never had.

Less is more.

 

[Emcee77]

My initial reaction was the same, which is to be expected; those who have read the books are protective of them (in typical fanboy style). But as the show rolls on, I'm beginning to believe that it's actually better than the books. The time constraints inherent to the medium have forced a rigorous editing of the story that Martin's books apparently never had.

Less is more.

I agree. The books are great but overgrown. They work as a great "rough draft" for this TV series.

Also, I am really seeing the story in a new way by watching the show because it's putting together events which, while they happen close in time in the books, are described hundreds of pages apart, so I learned of them days or weeks apart. Experiencing these contemporaneous events contemporaneously in a way that the books don't allow you to do gives you a fresh perspective on them, which is just really fun.

Speaking of editing the story due to time contraints, what do people think of Robb's wife becoming the bloody surgeon wench from Volantis instead of the girl from the unimportant Lannister bannerman's family? It seems clear to me that the only reason for the change was because the show storyline couldn't take a jaunt to the West Coast of Westeros for Robb to fall in love with some unimportant chick ... much easier in terms of airtime to fit in the love affair if Robb never has to leave the battlefield for it. My wife also loves the change because it adds another strong, intelligent woman to the cast. (My wife HATES Sansa's storyline ... "Stop thinking and start making moves!")

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Speaking of editing the story due to time contraints, what do people think of Robb's wife becoming the bloody surgeon wench from Volantis instead of the girl from the unimportant Lannister bannerman's family? It seems clear to me that the only reason for the change was because the show storyline couldn't take a jaunt to the West Coast of Westeros for Robb to fall in love with some unimportant chick ... much easier in terms of airtime to fit in the love affair if Robb never has to leave the battlefield for it.

The only things we potentially lose are some of the Westerling conspiracy angles, which may have been nothing to begin with. And they can still flesh out the Heir to the North [WARNING: MAJOR SPOILERS] story line if they so chose. I hesitate to say that I "like" the change, as Oona Chaplin (granddaughter of Charlie) doesn't do much for me, but from an efficiency standpoint, it makes a lot of sense.

My wife also loves the change because it adds another strong, intelligent woman to the cast. (My wife HATES Sansa's storyline ... "Stop thinking and start making moves!")

But that's how she develops! If she wasn't such a naive little twit to begin with, her transformation into a politically-savvy courtier under the tutelage of Littlefinger wouldn't be very interesting.

 

[Emcee77]

But that's how she develops! If she wasn't such a naive little twit to begin with, her transformation into a politically-savvy courtier under the tutelage of Littlefinger wouldn't be very interesting.

True. My wife hasn't read the books. I keep telling her re: Sansa, "Just wait, it gets interesting."

 

[IrishLion]

The only thing we potentially lose is some of the Westerling conspiracy angles, which may have been nothing to begin with. And they can still flesh out the Heir to the North [WARNING: MAJOR SPOILERS] story line if they so chose.

I'm on Feast for Crows, and this is a theory I've often thought about. I never remembered Martin saying anything at all about Jeyne really, but I also haven't gotten back to the Jaime chapter where this is addressed.

Kind of like the "significance" of the red comet, and how it is mentioned by characters countless times, but I cannot recall Martin ever writing anything noteworthy about the comet no longer being in the sky.

 

[gkIrish]

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A little crossover from the Wide World of Sports

 

[IrishSpartan]

great episode, but that preview for next week...

 

[returnofthemack]

This is fantastic
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