'14 OH ATH Sam Hubbard (Ohio State Verbal)

[Anchorman]

Good luck to him if that's how it works out. Hard to fault that kind of a decision.

Any chance we end up offering down the line?

 

[NDinL.A.]

**** Stanford. God I hate them. This is such lameness. Eff everything. Recruiting blows so far this year on every level.

Dude, women's basketball just KILLED it on the recruiting trail. So there's that.

LOL...too early to sweat football recruiting for me. This staff has proven their weight in gold. They win, and they recruit well. We'll be fine. For every bit of bad news that we read, something good comes along (i.e. Hood wants to stay closer to home perhaps; McDermott down to ND and Miami).

I used to sweat this stuff BIG TIME. But we finally have a staff that can win and develop players, so the small battles lost in March just don't bother me, even when they should. We'll be fine.

From a lacrosse standpoint though, sounds like this news sucks...

 

[NDPhilly]

Why does everyone seem to think we are in such a bad place recruiting wise? We aren't going to "waste" a scholarship on a low 3 star player like we have done in the past. This class will end up being very good and possibly even better than last years.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Why does everyone seem to think we are in such a bad place recruiting wise? We aren't going to "waste" a scholarship on a low 3 star player like we have done in the past. This class will end up being very good and possibly even better than last years.

Was just saying the same thing in the Peppers thread. I don't get this attitude that we're pulling a Boston College or something with our recruiting.

 

[STLDomer]

Why does everyone seem to think we are in such a bad place recruiting wise? We aren't going to "waste" a scholarship on a low 3 star player like we have done in the past. This class will end up being very good and possibly even better than last years.

I agree. It's not like we were expecting all the commits we got at Junior Day last year. I recall being laughed at for thinking we would have something like 7 commits by the end of summer. Things will all work out. Wiltfong and Sapp seem to think so too.

We've become spoiled to some extent, a lot of ppl expecting us to sign a bunch of 5 players this year

 

[Buster Bluth]

Old School- We gotta keep our composure - YouTube

 

[clashmore_mike]

Why does everyone seem to think we are in such a bad place recruiting wise? We aren't going to "waste" a scholarship on a low 3 star player like we have done in the past. This class will end up being very good and possibly even better than last years.

We got no food, we got no jobs, OUR PET'S HEADS ARE FALLING OFF

 

[IrishLax]

My comment is 95% lacrosse related, and 5% football related. It makes no sense that Brian Kelly hasn't been in touch with him though and recruiting him hard to be a preferred walk-on. The kid is a ****ing 4 prospect on the most recent service to update even if it is LOLSCOUT.

All probably a moot point with Stanford offering but it makes ZERO sense that our football staff hasn't even been in contact to try to snag a FREE player with actual upside.

 

[dublinirish]

we prefer our walk on's to be undersized and scrappy thank you!

Lax i totally agree it seems kind of crazy that the coaches aren't reaching out to this guy

 

[NDinL.A.]

My comment is 95% lacrosse related, and 5% football related. It makes no sense that Brian Kelly hasn't been in touch with him though and recruiting him hard to be a preferred walk-on. The kid is a ****ing 4 prospect on the most recent service to update even if it is LOLSCOUT.

All probably a moot point with Stanford offering but it makes ZERO sense that our football staff hasn't even been in contact to try to snag a FREE player with actual upside.

But how much does he love lacrosse? Do you think he's willing to just give up lacrosse? Yeah, a full-ride to Stanford is amazing and dang-near impossible to pass up considering the other schools that have offered for football, but if he LOVES lacrosse he might not be willing to give that up.

I have no intimate knowledge, but I wouldn't put Stanford down as a lock quite yet until I hear what he feels about giving up lacrosse. Getting a scholly from a school like OSU or Michigan...that would scare me more because they have LAX teams.

Hell, I'd give him a football scholarship considering we are NEVER at 85 anyways, but that's just me...

 

[Rhode Irish]

Unless I am misunderstanding the point here, he can't be on a lax scholarship and play football as a walk-on. So what exactly are we supposed to do if our coaches don't view him as a scholarship football player? And how is his lacrosse playing relevant? Not trying to be a dick, I'm just not sure what the issue is.

 

[IrishLax]

Unless I am misunderstanding the point here, he can't be on a lax scholarship and play football as a walk-on. So what exactly are we supposed to do if our coaches don't view him as a scholarship football player? And how is his lacrosse playing relevant? Not trying to be a dick, I'm just not sure what the issue is.

Yeah, you're completely misunderstanding the point here.

1. You only get a little bit over 12 full scholarships for a team of ~50 lacrosse players... so very few freshman come in on any kind of scholarship as most scholarships are appropriated to upperclassmen who are contributing the most. In very rare cases a frosh will come in on substantial scholarship (i.e. if they're a #1 overall player type of guy or it's a school like Michigan devoid of talent trying to build a roster) but Hubbard... while an elite top 30 player... is currently the 5th rated prospect in our recruiting class. So you're whole point about "can't be on lacrosse scholarship and play football" is moot from the onset.

2. Even if he was on full lacrosse scholarship... it still doesn't matter because he wouldn't become a counter for football until he actually played. Participating in practice would not matter and would not trigger him going on football scholarship. So the only way he would get a football scholarship would be by being so good the coaches want to put him on the field... at which case they could offer him a scholarship and ipso facto he would've earned it. In the meantime, you'd just have a free 4 prospect practicing and getting better and developing.

3. Maybe most importantly, because we don't over-sign/greyshirt we almost always have a couple scholarship available at the end of spring each year. Can't remember the last year we didn't. So if he DID earn a scholarship, it'd be no problem at all to get him a scholarship.

 

[TerryTate]

His scholarship would count against the Football 85 limit. So, he wouldn't be a "free" addition.

 

[IrishLax]

His scholarship would count against the Football 85 limit. So, he wouldn't be a "free" addition.

He's almost definitely not coming in on scholarship, per what I have said about a half dozen times now. I don't understand what is difficult here.

And I'm 95% sure you don't become a counter for football anyways unless you are actually participating in games. Just practicing with the team does not make you a counter.

 

[Rack Em]

His scholarship would count against the Football 85 limit. So, he wouldn't be a "free" addition.

He's almost definitely not coming in on scholarship, per what I have said about a half dozen times now. I don't understand what is difficult here.

And I'm 95% sure you don't become a counter for football anyways unless you are actually participating in games. Just practicing with the team does not make you a counter.

Someone just ask BGIF. He always knows this kind of stuff.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Ok, I did not understand that lacrosse wasn't really a scholarship sport. Thanks for clearing that up. Makes more sense now.

 

[IrishLax]

Ok, I did not understand that lacrosse wasn't really a scholarship sport. Thanks for clearing that up. Makes more sense now.

It's insanely complicated. The whole concept of scholarship limits for competitive balance is really messed up in its own right (really, you're just depriving a lot of kids who have the "talent" to earn a scholarship for an EDUCATION the right to that education). All non-revenue male sports (i.e. everything but basketball and football) have far less scholarships than are needed to field a team. Few people realize this, but whether you're playing soccer, lacrosse, baseball, etc. most athletes are on partial scholarship of some sort and scholarships are distributed based on merit year to year. The reason why is that because of good 'ol Title IX and other factors the NCAA has insanely low scholarship ceilings for these sports. Baseball gets 11.7, men's lacrosse gets 12.6, men's soccer gets 9.9 even though you have to put 1 people on the field at a time... just the nature of the beast. The only sport besides basketball/football that doesn't have an "insanely" low ceiling is hockey.... which is low, but not crazy low.

As to the debate between whether he would count for football or not if he was on a lacrosse scholarship... here is why I'm pretty sure he doesn't until he actually started playing minutes:

Bylaw 15.5.9.1 Football. [FBS/FCS] In football, a counter who was recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) and/or offered financial aid to participate in football and who participates (practices or competes) in football and one or more sports (including basketball) shall be counted in football.

A counter who was not recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) and/or offered financial aid to participate in football and who competes in football and one or more sports (including basketball) shall be counted in football. (Revised: 1/10/95 effective 8/1/95, 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

The key word is competes in the second paragraph versus participates in the first. The NCAA does not write stuff haphazardly and explicitly states in its glossary of definitions that competes = playing in sanctioned games; and participates = practices or competes. Competes does not mean practice. So if he came to ND on a lacrosse scholarship and walked-on to football and didn't get minutes he would not be a football counter. If he developed into a better Danny Spond, and the coaches wanted to play him, then they could turn him into a counter at their discretion.

 

[clashmore_mike]

I've always understood it to be that way as well Lax. It wouldn't count against the 85 until he plays in a game.

 

[Emcee77]

Never mind, that can't be right.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Never mind, that can't be right.

Not all recruits are offered scholarships...


and you edited your post so mine is meaningless

 

[STLDomer]

“@jrody25: Sam Hubbard gets offer from Ohio State. Congrats! relax and enjoy! #Winforever #Excellence #MoellerFootball”

^ Moeller Head Coach

****

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

He gone

 

[EuropeanDomer]

To play football or lacrosse?

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

To play football or lacrosse?

Football. Michigan could offer next.

 

[IrishLax]

To play football or lacrosse?

Football. He already was recruited by every school in the country for lacrosse. The kid is blowing up. He's a serious athlete. I don't really know why some considered him a "crappy" prospect... he has tremendous upside, but is more of a project because he hasn't spent his whole life dedicated to football... he's hitting the summer lacrosse circuit not the football combines. The only reason he hasn't been rated yet by 247/Rivals is that he didn't have a breakout year until this past season of football and his film is just now starting to get around. He's virtually a clone of Danny Spond just maybe a bit more athletic and bigger.

Worst case scenario, to me, is that he goes to Ohio State and plays both sports and is a thorn in our side for years in lacrosse. I think it'll be a tough choice for him between Ohio State and Stanford. He's very education first, but he can play both sports at OSU.

What's going to keep him from getting an offer from ND is our tight scholarship numbers and the fact that we have so many people on the roster who can play DOG. Too bad he's not an ILB candidate.....

 

[Luckylucci]

Has it been said anywhere that we won't offer? Its still very early in the process and I imagine we could make up some ground if we were to do so.

 

[STLDomer]

I don't like this. Yes I know we are getting 2 scholarships back but we need. Elite talent.

Is an offer from Michigan, Stanford and Ohio State elite enough?

 

[IrishSpartan]

from what i heard from my friend at tOsu, they are close to a commitment he can play both sports there and Urban loves his game.

 

[dudesthisisthebest]

from what i heard from my friend at tOsu, they are close to a commitment he can play both sports there and Urban loves his game.

Isn't this post a recruiting violation?

 

[EuropeanDomer]

Urban Meyer already told him he can be the next Percy Harvin?