2012 QB Discussion - Who's the Starter?

[irishfanjho15]

If Kiel proves he can play I want him to start with Golson being the faster change of pace guy. Most QBs that become great, most recently anyways, are thrown into the fire their freshman year. Matt Barkley from USC comes to mind.

Andrew Luck sure benefited from a red-shirt year

 

[Jerry]

Because everybody's favorite player is the back-up QB.

The same things you are saying about Golson, I said about Andrew Hendrix before the FSU game. He got to play against a defense in Stanford that hadn't prepared for him, made some great throws and some great runs, but still threw a pick (and should have been 2 more), and took some bad sacks as well. But because he did some nice things, everyone thought he was the answer. Then he plays against a real defense (should have played much more IMO), throws a horrible pick, and now everyone says Golson is the man, basically sight unseen.

I REALLY hope Golson balls out this spring. I think Kelly must be very high on him, and for that reason didn't play Hendrix as much b/c he thinks Golson is the future (and now Kiel maybe?). We need stronger play at that position obviously. Golson needs to put some serious pressure on the coaches to force them to strongly consider making him the full-time starter.

Regardless, there are 2 guys I don't want to see starting that first game: Rees (been there, done that, unless his arm gets incredibly stronger), and Kiel, because I don't want to start a true freshman in his first game as a collegiate. The game is just too damn hard/fast.At least Golson and Hendrix have had ample time in this offense and in school. We'll see though...

Yep. The one small positive I brought from this past season is that there is no doubt that Rees is bad. If Crist would have played half the season and then Hendrix started getting more minutes the fanbase would have went crazy over not getting Tommy the gritty, scrappy, winner in there. But Rees played and showed what he can and can't do.

I agree with wanting to see Golsen but I'm not giving up on Hendrix because his sample size is small. I'm just not a huge fan of the way Hendrix throws the ball, something weird about it.

And I don't want to see Keil starting right from the get go as well. I still have haunting images of Jimmy being thrown to the wolves as a Frosh in '07.

 

[koonja]

If Golson or Keil start I'm going to party like it's 2008 (21st B-day).

 

[PerthDomer]

If we're transitioning to a more run heavy spread I'd say Hendrix. His build and play suggest to me he can take more violent hits than the other guys. If we're staying more pass heavy I'd say Golson or Kiel are the long term answer, unless the nuances of the offense click for Hendrix.

I'll tear my hair out if I see Rees start the season...

 

[Zbi]

If Rees can show me that he can grow a beard I might reconsider him as a potential starting QB.

 

[me9rob]

Andrew Luck sure benefited from a red-shirt year

Yup. I feel quarterbacks benefit way more from a redshirt year than they did if they are just thrown in the fire. Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Landry Jones, Andrew Luck etc. all had very good RS Freshman years, because of the wait. Guys like Matt Barkley and Jimmy Clausen (two of the most highly touted QB's in recent years) both got thrown into the fire early and didn't do very well. It wasn't until they became juniors that they started showing what they could do.

 

[irishfanjho15]

If Rees can show me that he can grow a beard I might reconsider him as a potential starting QB.

Lol, facial hair, the great divider of men.

 

[NDinL.A.]

If Kiel proves he can play I want him to start with Golson being the faster change of pace guy. Most QBs that become great, most recently anyways, are thrown into the fire their freshman year. Matt Barkley from USC comes to mind.

* Matt Barkley's 2nd year he led them to their worst year in over a decade, despite the immense talent. He threw a ton of bad picks that year, as well as his freshman year. ND does not have the talent that MB had, and aside from that, would you be willing to sit through the worst ND year in decades (as USC fans did) to watch Kiel's development? YOu might be willing to do that, but NDNation will explode and recruiting will SUCK.

* Andrew Luck didn't play his freshman year. Looking at recent drafts, Colt McCoy didn't play his freshman year. Sam Bradford didn't pay his freshman year. Christian Ponder hardly ever played as a freshman. Blaine Gabbert didn't play as a freshman. Denard Robinson got beat out as a freshman. Landry Jones didn't play as a freshman. Even Tim Tebow only played goal line situations, and he was a different beast altogether.

So, there might be some isolated spots, but for the most part, it's better for QB's to sit and learn as freshmen. And look at the teams' records when true freshmen start...

 

[IrishBlood81]

Whoever voted for Rees should be shot

 

[kmoose]

No im serious wait til the season starts and your see

I'm not going to be shocked if Rees is the starter, for the game in Dublin. He played very well against Navy, last year. But I would be shocked to see him still starting in the 3rd or 4th week. He did not get better and better, as the season went along. He stayed mostly the same, but actually regressed in some areas.

 

[ACamp1900]

Whoever voted for Rees should be shot

ha... I asked what the reasoning behind the threaad was because the poll question and the thread topic don't go totally together...

I just went ahead with line of thinking of "who I think WILL start"...

so I voted Rees... until someone takes the job in the spring it's his imo... and until someone takes it I won't believe it will happen...

the "roll my eyes" crowd for me is the Golson-ites... what have you seen to think he's the guy??? again, maybe he is, but maybe he isn't, enough evidence right to say he's the next President of Uruguay ... a lot of wishful thinking on that one imo...

I'd take Hendrix if it were "who would I like to see"... He's the one who most fits a spread option that I have actually seen... he's made some good eye poping throws, and some horrid ones as well...

but again, in terms of who should be expected... right now... Rees, he's the current starter.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I've seen Rees enough to be 99% sure Golson is better.

 

[Rees 4 Heisman]

you dont even know how golson is going to play he could suck i say give him a few drives after tommy gets nd into a good postion

 

[irishfanjho15]

you dont even know how golson is going to play he could suck i say give him a few drives after tommy gets nd into a good postion

You a relative of the Rees clan?

 

[Rees 4 Heisman]

no but i would love to meet him

 

[BurningRiver]

you dont even know how golson is going to play he could suck i say give him a few drives after tommy gets nd into a good postion

Tommy, is that you?

And people say ND players don't read Irish Envy

 

[irishfanjho15]

no but i would love to meet him

I bet you would.

 

[Rees 4 Heisman]

one yes i would hes my favorite football player and two no im not tommy sorry and are you a tommy hater

 

[irishfanjho15]

one yes i would hes my favorite football player and two no im not tommy sorry and are you a tommy hater

This is how I feel about Tommy Rees starting for ND next year....

I.E. I'm not digging it

 

[Rees 4 Heisman]

well i would be one of thoses two guys

 

[ACamp1900]

I've seen Rees enough to be 99% sure Golson is better.

I've seen Golson enough to be 99% sure that I have no clue if he's a better QB than I am...

 

[Rees 4 Heisman]

thank you someone who dosent jump to things we havent even see him play in a real games

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I've seen Golson enough to be 99% sure that i have no clue if he's a better QB than I am...

True story. For everyone jamming their collective tongues down Golson's throat, get a hold of yourselves, grab granny's dental dam and realize that Golson hasn't seen the field yet beyond a B&G game where he wasn't very good. Let the process play out before we anoint him king of the quarterback world.

 

[BurningRiver]

I'm not a "Tommy Hater," I've just seen enough of him to realize that we've likely seen his ceiling as a starter and that he limits the offense. I also am not, as HCTI says, "jamming my tongue down Golson's throat," because I haven't seen him play yet, but I know he brings much more to the offense than Rees does. Whether he fulfills his talent is a whole other story, though.

Still, if Rees is the QB next year and it isn't because Golson, Hendrix, and Kiel all broke their arms in camp I will probably riot.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm not a "Tommy Hater," I've just seen enough of him to realize that we've likely seen his ceiling as a starter and that he limits the offense.

I'm with this... though I was silently in arms when Crist lost his job... BK sees something we don't clearly... and I trust the coach... have to.

Rees is the starter until otherwise noted... and if I had to bet, Hendrix is the guy to challenge him... who knows...

Still, Golson could be the nexy Tom Clements or Tony Rice... or, just as easily, he could be the next "never played a down at the next level." That's how much we actually know right now... sorry.

 

[kmoose]

I also am not, as HCTI says, "jamming my tongue down Golson's throat," because I haven't seen him play yet, but I know he brings much more to the offense than Rees does.

You might think you know, but you don't. Much more? He brings mobility, and that's it, at this point. If he can't get the job done on 1st and 2nd down, and ends up in a lot of 3rd and 10, 3rd and 15s? Then his mobility means jack, unless he's got Michael Vick type speed and moves. And, if he had those, he wouldn't have spent this season riding the pine. Maybe he will bring much more, but there's no way any of us who aren't at the practices and in the meetings can KNOW that.

 

[Riddickulous]

I'm with this... though I was silently in arms when Crist lost his job... BK sees something we don't clearly... and I trust the coach... have to.

Rees is the starter until otherwise noted... and if I had to bet, Hendrix is the guy to challenge him... who knows...

Still, Golson could be the nexy Tom Clements or Tony Rice... or, just as easily, he could be the next "never played a down at the next level." That's how much we actually know right now... sorry.

And boom. Nice post.

 

[phgreek]

True story. For everyone jamming their collective tongues down Golson's throat, get a hold of yourselves, grab granny's dental dam and realize that Golson hasn't seen the field yet beyond a B&G game where he wasn't very good. Let the process play out before we anoint him king of the quarterback world.

Granny's Dental Dam....oh dear lord...thats nasty.

I'm a Hendrix kool aid man myself...but with reservations.

I'm worried about Golson's size (or lack thereof), and his reads. From what I've seen, Kelly's O might be a little challenging to master. So having no game time experience is scary. I worry about Hendrix because I don't know if he has gotten it all down so he can make pre-snap reads and adjustments...well and he had a really weird Int against FSU.

W/O Floyd, and the understanding that we may not have anyone at WR that can/will step it up enough, I don't think Tommy can survive...

I've convinced myself mobility at QB replaces the 3rd and Floyd scheme...but who that mobile QB is...we may never know.

 

[ACamp1900]

I've convinced myself mobility at QB replaces the 3rd and Floyd scheme...but who that mobile QB is...we may never know.

This may be the most legit comment on why Rees won't be starter next year written here to this point........ at least that I myself have read or considered.

 

[4irishnation]

one yes i would hes my favorite football player and two no im not tommy sorry and are you a tommy hater

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