'13 OH QB Malik Zaire (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

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kinda suprised that on isd last night....mike thought he would be 2nd string by the end of the year over keil...
 
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PANDFAN said:
kinda suprised that on isd last night....mike thought he would be 2nd string by the end of the year over keil...
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I hope he's wrong. If Kiel gets passed, he's probably going to transfer. Then our QB depth would go from excellent to scary thin with the loss of Rees, Hendrix and Kiel.
 
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That isn't what Mike Frank said in print. It is so contradictory, that I would expect it was a miscommunication.
 
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I hope he's wrong. If Kiel gets passed, he's probably going to transfer. Then our QB depth would go from excellent to scary thin with the loss of Rees, Hendrix and Kiel.
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I would bet that if Kiel transfered, that Hendrix might get offered a 5th year (not saying he would take it but we would probably want him back), and as long as we get a QB next year, I would call it thing not quite scary thin (if we whiff on a QB this year then it would be scary thin with only Golson and Zaire).
 
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Why would anyone assume that Kelly would not give Keil a run at Golson? I mean he said in a press conference there would be an open run at quarterback. Some of these threads don't make sense much anymore.
 
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Bogtrotter07 said:
That isn't what Mike Frank said in print. It is so contradictory, that I would expect it was a miscommunication.
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idk ....some idiot caller said he thought malik would get moved to lb by the years end...don't know where this idea came from...but anyways...mike then states...ND is extremely high on him and said he wouldn't be suprised to see him 2nd string by end of year
 
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PANDFAN said:
idk ....some idiot caller said he thought malik would get moved to lb by the years end...don't know where this idea came from...but anyways...mike then states...ND is extremely high on him and said he wouldn't be suprised to see him 2nd string by end of year
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Did he say that he thought he would be second string, or specifically second string over Kiel?



Either way, Mike Frank is a dope. Always has been, always will be.
 
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I think Zaire will end up being better than Golson or Kiel after all is said and done, but only because he fits the "system" a bit better than Kiel (though Kiel fits it just fine in his own right) and because he will develop a more-complete skill set than Golson...

But 2nd string as a freshman? No way. Kiel has too much talent, and Golson is still developing. Zaire will be held back by the playbook alone, just as Kiel and Golson were.
 
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This past year Golson obviously struggled reading the defense on the fly. A lot of his throws were predetermined. I think if Kiel has a better understanding of the offense over Golson then he has a great chance to get the nod, but I think Kelly wants Golson to be the starter. He just wants to see mental improvement with decision making.
 
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PANDFAN said:
he stated over keil
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He said he wouldn't be surprised if Malik wound up #2. The statement 'wouldn't be surprised' in itself implies it is not the expected result. That isn't offering a prediction, nor knocking Kiel. That is simply a statement offering belief in the potential abilities of Malik.

Big difference a lot of you guys are missing, and creating something out of nothing. Spring ball can't come quickly enough lol.
 
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oldirish76 said:
This past year Golson obviously struggled reading the defense on the fly. A lot of his throws were predetermined. I think if Kiel has a better understanding of the offense over Golson then he has a great chance to get the nod, but I think Kelly wants Golson to be the starter. He just wants to see mental improvement with decision making.
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Agreed. Golsons reads didn't impress me much. He did improve, but he still struggles to see middle of the field routes. He also doesn't lead receivers to often on their natural routes. He's either finding them when they are posted up or they are rerouting as Everett is scrambling.
Ev still has a long way to goes in terms of reading and prereads especially.
So many times Everett should have changed his progressions before the snap based on formation, mismatches etc. He lacked the prereads that a guy like tommy makes a living on.

I think this race will be open. But it's either gonna be kiel or most likely, Golson.
Although, if malik does make it to the second string, that wouldn't be too bad of a thing because it most likely means he's too good not to sit. Which is rarely a bad thing.
 
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as Lou said, the most popular person at Notre Dame is always the backup QB!
 
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There's a better chance of Keil being our starter than Malik being #2.
 
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Ironman8 said:
He said he wouldn't be surprised if Malik wound up #2. The statement 'wouldn't be surprised' in itself implies it is not the expected result. That isn't offering a prediction, nor knocking Kiel. That is simply a statement offering belief in the potential abilities of Malik.

Big difference a lot of you guys are missing, and creating something out of nothing. Spring ball can't come quickly enough lol.
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THANK YOU, Ironman!
 
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FightingIrishLover7 said:
Agreed. Golsons reads didn't impress me much. He did improve, but he still struggles to see middle of the field routes. He also doesn't lead receivers to often on their natural routes. He's either finding them when they are posted up or they are rerouting as Everett is scrambling.
Ev still has a long way to goes in terms of reading and prereads especially.
So many times Everett should have changed his progressions before the snap based on formation, mismatches etc. He lacked the prereads that a guy like tommy makes a living on.

I think this race will be open. But it's either gonna be kiel or most likely, Golson.
Although, if malik does make it to the second string, that wouldn't be too bad of a thing because it most likely means he's too good not to sit. Which is rarely a bad thing.
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I don't disagree, but I put some of this on Kelly. Every game it seemed like the routes were too complicated and/or took too long to develop. Check-downs and drag routes work really well in college, but we hardly ever used them. Instead, we're opting for deep comebacks on the outside.
 
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Irish Houstonian said:
I don't disagree, but I put some of this on Kelly. Every game it seemed like the routes were too complicated and/or took too long to develop. Check-downs and drag routes work really well in college, but we hardly ever used them. Instead, we're opting for deep comebacks on the outside.
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Golson can hit the comebacks, I don't think he saw the mid field crossing routes...

I can't even begin to remember the amount of times Daniels and Jones were missed, especially Daniels.
 
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I suppose how that's how the Gridiron Domer's roll!
 
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I have a feeling that it had to take some impressive workouts by Zaire to push Gunner over the transfer edge.

I'll be checking out some spring practices in a month and I'll keep an eye on Malik.
 
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I have heard nothing but criticism of MZ from his mechanics to his reads. Then I watched the Elite 11 video and from what they showed, he ended up in the top 11, had great mechanics, is elusive, and is a definite leader. The Navy SEAL drill impressed the **** out of me. He formed the Irish mob, and is a freak athlete. Then I watched additional film at camps and game film. I see nothing that would make me think he can not be #2.
 
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BeauBenken said:
I have a feeling that it had to take some impressive workouts by Zaire to push Gunner over the transfer edge.

I'll be checking out some spring practices in a month and I'll keep an eye on Malik.
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I had heard a few months ago that Malik had been outplaying gunner in some offseason 7 on 7s. MZ is a very impressive player and is hungry to learn more and always improve.
 
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peoriairish said:
I had heard a few months ago that Malik had been outplaying gunner in some offseason 7 on 7s. MZ is a very impressive player and is hungry to learn more and always improve.
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That would at least help explain the odd timing of Kiel's transfer.
 
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