RIP ALLGATOR

[scUM Hater]

I found out what Allgator is doing with his extra time.

 

[BGIF]

I found out what Allgator is doing with his extra time.

Who's the guy driving him around?

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

Wax on Wax off.

When did it become cool for Daniel San to disrespect Mr. Miyagi?








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[IrishRugger2013]

There was a very long period of time I thought he was totally on the up and up and unfairly criticized. Then I realized he was completely intellectually dishonest. Here's is how you tell if someone is a troll:

1. They say something borderline.
2. Someone calls them on it or asks them a direct question.
3. They intentionally don't answer your question or play dumb or refuse to act rational.

The moment everyone should've realized he was a troll was after the Sugar Bowl.

Example --
ALLGATOR: Bridgewater is the best QB in college football
IrishRugger2013: Yeah he was good, I don't think he's the best in football
ALLGATOR: Who do you think is better?

Really? "Who do you think is better?" Like that's a legitimate question? ALLGATOR himself even pimped Manziel as the greatest thing since sliced bread in many other threads. Throughout the year ALLGATOR talked about a bunch of different guys... not one single post on Bridgewater.

Then as soon as his team gets violated on national TV by Louisville, he states that Bridgewater is the "best QB in college football" like it's a commonly accepted fact... and even challenges on IrishRugger on it... when you won't find a single analyst anywhere who'd say Bridgewater is the #1 QB in the country nor do his stats remotely justify that kind of statement.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck... IT'S A TROLL.

Hey guys you're welcome for exposing him haha

 

[Junkhead]

I'm really gonna miss that guy

 

[Irish#1]

Are there actually rules out there related to banishment? If so, I probably should read them before I go after "ANT whatever," the Ohio State troll. I can't help myself with those people sometimes.

No, it's like double secret probation and Whiskey is Dean Wormer.

 

[palinurus]

No, it's like double secret probation and Whiskey is Dean Wormer.

Well, then I'll just have to assume that bilious, vile and disgusting rhetoric directed at Ohio State trolls is permitted.

 

[johnnykillz]

When did it become cool for Daniel San to disrespect Mr. Miyagi?








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[Whiskeyjack]

Were I a mod the day Deeb committed to ND, gatorbaiter would have been banished. His conduct was terminal.

That's where his previous 2-point infraction came from. I also would have pulled the trigger then, had I been a mod at the time.

That was truly his most heinous crime. Deeb verbals, we're all celebrating, ALLGATOR posts that video knowing full well how we would react, and all the good will in that thread immediately evaporated as it devolved into people arguing over whether or not he was a troll.

That's when his true nature became apparent to me. Virtually every thread he posted in quickly became about him; his defenders v. his detractors. As Lax pointed out, he'd frequently post something provocative and then simply disappear.

And you can't tell me he didn't know how many of us would react to a Gator fan describing the Anzalone recruitment as "epic". He knew exactly what he was doing. Just got away with it for far too long.

ALLGATOR did share some good recruiting info here from time to time; whether he was doing so to create enough space for his subtle trolling to continue, I can't say. But on balance, his contribution to this board was a strong net negative. That's my standard, at least, for breaking out the ban hammer. Apparent ND fans will undoubtedly get more slack than rivals, but if you're continually derailing the discussion-- either through outright trolling, irrational negativity, etc.-- GTFO my board.

 

[STLDomer]

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

That's where his previous 2-point infraction came from. I also would have pulled the trigger then, had I been a mod at the time.

That was truly his most heinous crime. Deeb verbals, we're all celebrating, ALLGATOR posts that video knowing full well how we would react, and all the good will in that thread immediately evaporated as it devolved into people arguing over whether or not he was a troll.

That's when his true nature became apparent to me. Virtually every thread he posted in quickly became about him; his defenders v. his detractors. As Lax pointed out, he'd frequently post something provocative and then simply disappear.

And you can't tell me he didn't know how many of us would react to a Gator fan describing the Anzalone recruitment as "epic". He knew exactly what he was doing. Just got away with it for far too long.

ALLGATOR did share some good recruiting info here from time to time; whether he was doing so to create enough space for his subtle trolling to continue, I can't say. But on balance, his contribution to this board was a strong net negative. That's my standard, at least, for breaking out the ban hammer. Apparent ND fans will undoubtedly get more slack than rivals, but if you're continually derailing the discussion-- either through outright trolling, irrational negativity, etc.-- GTFO my board.

Good work Whiskey. Your points are valid and backed up with proof.

It can be a thankless job.

So... thank you.

 

[greyhammer90]

but if you're continually derailing the discussion-- either through outright trolling, irrational negativity, etc.-- GTFO my board.

My days are numbered.

 

[Emcee77]

Lax and Whiskey are right on here ... I was in ALLGATOR's corner for a long time because he brought over some good info and was often constructive in discussion about recruits. But then it became clear that he was just waiting for opportunities to inflame the board. Sometimes, as with Deeb, it wasn't very subtle. Other times, as with Bridgewater, it was kind of subtle. The last straw for me was when he posted something in the "Who's Likely Next" thread that was clearly intended to suggest that our staff was being outworked by other staffs such as Bama's by not getting on the road soon enough after the NCG, but was worded vaguely enough that he could plausibly deny any inflammatory intent. I have to admire his trollmanship, I must say. He's like the Kaiser Sose of trolls ... some of us didn't even realize he was trolling until he was already gone.

 

[PraetorianND]

This is the point I knew he was a troll.....

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/2013-recruiting-profiles/67025-13-pa-ath-alex-anzalone-florida-early-enrollee-64.html

Begins at post 2544

 

[yankeeND]

Gotta say, don't hate this at all!

 

[GreenSox04]

yeah.....bye.

 

[NCDomer]

That's where his previous 2-point infraction came from. I also would have pulled the trigger then, had I been a mod at the time.

That was truly his most heinous crime. Deeb verbals, we're all celebrating, ALLGATOR posts that video knowing full well how we would react, and all the good will in that thread immediately evaporated as it devolved into people arguing over whether or not he was a troll.

That's when his true nature became apparent to me. Virtually every thread he posted in quickly became about him; his defenders v. his detractors. As Lax pointed out, he'd frequently post something provocative and then simply disappear.

And you can't tell me he didn't know how many of us would react to a Gator fan describing the Anzalone recruitment as "epic". He knew exactly what he was doing. Just got away with it for far too long.

ALLGATOR did share some good recruiting info here from time to time; whether he was doing so to create enough space for his subtle trolling to continue, I can't say. But on balance, his contribution to this board was a strong net negative. That's my standard, at least, for breaking out the ban hammer. Apparent ND fans will undoubtedly get more slack than rivals, but if you're continually derailing the discussion-- either through outright trolling, irrational negativity, etc.-- GTFO my board.

Imo, this seems rather petty for banning someone. You guys run the board, so it's your rules. And I get you all want threads to stay on topic.

I lurk far more than I post. The most notable thing about this board is that I notice posters run off posters who express minority views. Is it really that big of a deal he provokes others with some subtle flaming? It adds a fun dynamic to the board. Posters can egg him on. I actually enjoy watching everyone turn on him.

Without you, BGIF, Whiskey, Lax, GB, and LA (I know I missed some others) providing substantive information, we're left with 90% posters expressing their approval of the provided info. The circle jerk stuff is just positive trolling. At least Allgator occasionally provided substance.

Btw, Allgator is far from the biggest troll out there on the interwebz. Just ask Manti. Now, that troll has some major issues. What pathetic person does that kind of thing?!?!

 

[DCIrish]

I can't believe there is actually a thread about this. Seems like many here took some of things he posted too seriously and let him get under their skin.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I can't believe there is actually a thread about this. Seems like many here took some of things he posted too seriously and let him get under their skin.

And here I am thinking he'd come back as Allgatorr

 

[dublinirish]

people saying hes the biggest troll on the internet loooooooooooooool...hes hardly fred phelps

 

[Green Mountains]

I just had a long on line conversation with my girlfriend. She told me It turns out that Allgator was actually Ronaiah Tuiasosopo.

Sorry, if this event is still too fresh. But he is the biggest Internet troll ever.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I kind of wonder what the psychological profile of a troll is. Assuming you have no real interest in the team on whose board you are posting, it seems you've got to be contrarian and troublemaker to do it. I suppose you could be an "ambassador of peace" from your real team to the trolled team, but when you consider the fanaticism of most college football fans, it's like an Ohio State fan trying to read a book: you just know it's going to end badly.

I wonder what the psychological profile of a bunch of people who nurse along a troll is. Not GBdomer, I feel bad for him, his ecumenical spirit, feeds on the football knowledge gleamed from other climes. (Tonight I will have a beer for you GB, it is always the innocents that get hurt. A beer and some meatloaf . . .)

This guy time after time insulted this fan base, and I marveled at the folks that railed to his defense. I can barely even remember the dude. After I finish this post with a chuckle I will forget all about him. Next week I will not remember his name.

 

[ND NYC]

our long national nightmare is now over

 

[SoDakDomer]

All Gator. How did anyone ever doubt he was a troll?

 

[IrishLax]

Imo, this seems rather petty for banning someone. You guys run the board, so it's your rules. And I get you all want threads to stay on topic.

I lurk far more than I post. The most notable thing about this board is that I notice posters run off posters who express minority views. Is it really that big of a deal he provokes others with some subtle flaming? It adds a fun dynamic to the board. Posters can egg him on. I actually enjoy watching everyone turn on him.

I think this warrants some discussion.

To me, it's all about being intellectually honest vs. dishonest. Do you actually believe what you are saying? I'ts not about having contrasting viewpoints. For example, the political threads are full of tons of disagreement. And you often see tons of disagreement on individual recruits or player or things like that (e.g. Ebenezer Ogundeko, Bruce Heggie, Mauk vs. Kiel). And there was a guy who no longer really frequents this board named NDOM who was probably the most negative poster I've ever seen. People really had zero issues with him and he was around for years.

So what's the issue with ALLGATOR then? As I said, I defended him for a long time because I thought he just had a different opinion than everyone else.... then the Sugar Bowl happened. That's when it became painfully obvious that he just posted here to annoy people and didn't actually believe a word he typed. Maybe you think that is fun, I don't think that adds anything to the board at all. But I'm not a mod so it's not really my call on how this whole banning thing works.

There have been tons of Michigan fans, Ohio State fans, and even the occasional USC fans that lurks/posts here and don't get banned. I remember I got into an argument with one Michigan fan about Purdue's defense being better than Michigan's... did he get banned? No, because he was being intellectually honest and not just posting with the intent to annoy. And it turns out he was right and Michigan's D was way better and I told him as much after the fact. So this board certainly isn't intolerant of opposing viewpoints from fans... all that is really asked is you post with civility and don't intentionally troll for the sake of trolling. ALLGATOR did the former but failed on the latter, IMO. So I sure won't cry seeing him gone.

 

[IrishinTN]

He played dumb pretty good.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Imo, this seems rather petty for banning someone. You guys run the board, so it's your rules. And I get you all want threads to stay on topic.

As I mentioned above, I didn't even intend to ban him. His post about Anzalone's recruitment being "epic" was calculated to provoke, though, and I didn't want to see him derail yet another recruit's thread with such subtle trolling. So he got a 1-point infraction. Unfortunately for him, he had already accumulated a 2-point infraction for some very aggressive trolling in Michael Deeb's thread, so he got auto-banned. What's petty about that?

I lurk far more than I post. The most notable thing about this board is that I notice posters run off posters who express minority views. Is it really that big of a deal he provokes others with some subtle flaming? It adds a fun dynamic to the board. Posters can egg him on. I actually enjoy watching everyone turn on him.

You're in a small minority, then. We try hard to keep each thread more or less on topic, so our posters don't have to crawl through multiple threads and forums to find relevant news. Too frequently ALLGATOR's posts changed the subject of discussion in a recruit's thread toward himself, which then required clean-up by the moderators. That kind of behavior adds nothing substantive to the discussion and diverts moderating resources that are better used elsewhere.

Without you, BGIF, Whiskey, Lax, GB, and LA (I know I missed some others) providing substantive information, we're left with 90% posters expressing their approval of the provided info. The circle jerk stuff is just positive trolling. At least Allgator occasionally provided substance.

See Lax's post above. We welcome opposing viewpoints as long as they're substantive and respectfully presented. Such posters definitely add to the quality of discourse around here. And ALLGATOR did provide some substance, which is a big reason why his trolling was tolerated for so long. But it caught up with him eventually.

Btw, Allgator is far from the biggest troll out there on the interwebz. Just ask Manti. Now, that troll has some major issues. What pathetic person does that kind of thing?!?!

Nobody called him the biggest troll on the interwebz; but his subtlety and longevity here arguably make him the most successful troll in IE's history.

I can't believe there is actually a thread about this. Seems like many here took some of things he posted too seriously and let him get under their skin.

I didn't create this thread to beat my chest about having banned GATOR (as I mentioned, that wasn't even my intention when I infracted him). People noticed he was banned in Alexander's recruiting profile, and naturally started discussing it. Some posters felt he was a positive addition to the board, so I moved that discussion here (out of Alexander's thread) to explain what happened in the interest of moderating transparently.

 

[Cackalacky]

All Gator. How did anyone ever doubt he was a troll?

And then after like 2 months of being on here he finally changed his avatar to a ND player.
I read a lot of his posts and they were subtle and calculating. He made some good points, in others he lost his "character."

As others have said, his longevity is a testament to his trollishness.

For the record does the auto-ban give points back for positive activity?

 

[GATTACA!]

Does anyone else remember Allgators first reaction to the BK to the Eagles story being something along the lines of maybe this means Stoops can finally come to ND?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

For the record does the auto-ban give points back for positive activity?

No. Infractions can be permanent or temporary. If they're temporary, they'll expire after a period of time chosen by the mod issuing the infraction. Permanent infractions never expire.

The quality of one's posts (i.e. the Reputation system) has no effect on infractions.