Chip Kelly Hired as Eagles HC (merged)

IrishinTN · Jan 16, 2013

So when he "turned down the NFL" it was only the Bears? Wow, I may need to visit some Duck message boards to see their reaction.

phgreek · Jan 16, 2013

...ooops...kill the one I put in "Other College Football...

Whiskeyjack · Jan 16, 2013

AdmiralBackhand said:
This is horrible as it helps USC.

Stanford, UCLA, UW and Arizona are all on the rise.

phgreek · Jan 16, 2013

BobD said:

Thats Hilarious

Kingbish01 · Jan 16, 2013

What are the chances De'Anthony Thomas transfers to ND??

IrishinTN · Jan 16, 2013

Kingbish01 said:
What are the chances De'Anthony Thomas transfers to ND??

Exactly the same as my chances of inviting Kate Upton over for a threesome and have both her and my wife say yes. Actually I think my chances are better... :krazy:

Mr. McGibblets · Jan 16, 2013

Bad day for Nick Foles IMO and Oregon fans in everyone's opinion. I'm guessing Eagle's give Foles a shot for one year. Geno Smith being considered a pocket passer is not a bad thing---it isn't about finding a runner as much as it is someone being able to run an uptempo paced offense. Oregon and WVU's Offense aren't the same system but are both high-pace.

I just wouldn't want my favorite team taking Geno Smith with #4 overall pick. The first 5 games or however many games WVU played well to start the season--yes; but the way it ended left me wondering. Lurie isn't the biggest Vick fan, but from what the radio is saying, Chip has been "given the keys to the kingdom" and will make all personnel decisions.

I think CK can be successful.

Kingbish01 · Jan 16, 2013

IrishinTN said:
Exactly the same as my chances of inviting Kate Upton over for a threesome and have both her and my wife say yes. Actually I think my chances are better...

Lloyd: What do you think the chances are of De'Anthony Thomas and Notre Dame... ending up together?

Mary: Well, Lloyd, that's difficult to say. I mean, we don't really...

Lloyd: Hit me with it! Just give it to me straight! I came a long way just to see you, Mary. The least you can do is level with me. What are the chances?

Mary: Not good.

Lloyd: You mean, not good like one out of a hundred?

Mary: I'd say more like one out of a million.
[pause]

Lloyd: So you're telling me there's a chance... *YEAH!*

IrishJayhawk · Jan 16, 2013

Whiskeyjack said:
Stanford, UCLA, UW and Arizona are all on the rise.

Good call. Don't sleep on Arizona. Rich Rod is building a premiere offense in Tucson.

I just feel bad for NDOM...or Wonder Duck...whatever his name is...

Rhode Irish · Jan 16, 2013

Ndaccountant said:
Actually, I think they are in the right here. When I think of the QB position, I think of three tiers. Tier A would be the Brady, Manning boys, Rogers, etc. Tier B would be Big Ben, Matt Ryan, Andrew Luck, etc. IMO there are between 10 and 15 QB's that you could argue belong in those top 2 tiers. After that, the remaining QB's are more of a liability than an asset. The only way to try and level the field is to have a RG3, R Wilson or Colin K type of player that evens the playing field. Watching DE's, OLB and saftey's being stuck like a deer in headlights against these types of players changed my mind completely. I think the offense can be successful, but you need a guy that can both run and pass. Looking at the crop of QB's coming out of college the last few years, I tihnk the chances of getting a Tier one or tier 2 QB is getting slimmer and the ability to draft a R wilson is growing. Why not have a coach that can scheme an offense that can flourish with out without that top QB talent?

Yeah, I don't disagree with any of that. I just don't think you have to hire someone that has (1) no experience with coaching NFL players from a personality standpoint, (2) no familiarity with the players and other coaches in the league from an X's and O's/scheme/tendency standpoint, and (3) no network in the NFL that would help him put together a competent staff that could help overcome some of those issues in order to compete in the "new NFL."

If you look at the other guys who have had success coming from college to the NFL recently, they have all had NFL experience - something neither Kelly has. And considering that, as pointed out by another poster above, NFL coaches like Belichick and Shanahan have been able to implement some of the "college" concepts into their schemes, I think you're a lot better off taking a coach that know the NFL and having him learn some of the new football stuff than taking a coach who knows some of the new football stuff and having him learn the NFL. All of theses guys are smart football guys. They can adapt their scheme, so scheme wouldn't be my biggest criteria in selecting a coach if it was my call. A head coach has some responsibility for the system his team runs, but I value those things I mentioned above more than the system a coach will bring with him. The best coaches' systems are always evolving and changing to match personnel anyways.

My prediction is that this is going to be a disaster. We'll see what happens, I guess.

greyhammer90 · Jan 16, 2013

Holy ballz. Gonna be some upset Ducks fans tonight.

NDohio · Jan 16, 2013

My heart stopped when I walked into a restaurant for lunch and saw Kelly to the Eagles scrolling across the bottom of the TV.

Glad it was not our Kelly.

I think Chip is a smart enough guy that he will adjust to the NFL. This is a pretty good hire IMO.

chicago51 · Jan 16, 2013

Vick will get killed if you run too many design runs with him.

I agree with the defense comments. The defense was bad before and will be awful now.

Any Oregon committs ND would be interested in? I know Oregon doesn't recruit that well anways.

woolybug25 · Jan 16, 2013

NDPhilly said:
Hell yes.

I'm surprised that you like this hire.

I think the Eagles pooped the bed on this one.

irishpat183 · Jan 16, 2013

Kak7304 said:
Geno is a pocket passer. They're only similar in that they're black.

Geno is VERY athletic. Just because he didn't run, doesn't mean he can't.

Pops Freshenmeyer · Jan 16, 2013

Rhode Irish said:
Yeah, I don't disagree with any of that. I just don't think you have to hire someone that has (1) no experience with coaching NFL players from a personality standpoint, (2) no familiarity with the players and other coaches in the league from an X's and O's/scheme/tendency standpoint, and (3) no network in the NFL that would help him put together a competent staff that could help overcome some of those issues in order to compete in the "new NFL."

If you look at the other guys who have had success coming from college to the NFL recently, they have all had NFL experience - something neither Kelly has. And considering that, as pointed out by another poster above, NFL coaches like Belichick and Shanahan have been able to implement some of the "college" concepts into their schemes, I think you're a lot better off taking a coach that know the NFL and having him learn some of the new football stuff than taking a coach who knows some of the new football stuff and having him learn the NFL. All of theses guys are smart football guys. They can adapt their scheme, so scheme wouldn't be my biggest criteria in selecting a coach if it was my call. A head coach has some responsibility for the system his team runs, but I value those things I mentioned above more than the system a coach will bring with him. The best coaches' systems are always evolving and changing to match personnel anyways.

My prediction is that this is going to be a disaster. We'll see what happens, I guess.

Yeah but on the flip side, how many college guys with no NFL experience have failed over the last 20 years? Considering the lack on inspiring alternatives I think it's worth trying.

EDIT: and a major (but not very recent) counterpoint to the "college guys with no NFL experience fail" meme is Jimmy Johnson.

irishpat183 · Jan 16, 2013

chicago51 said:
Vick will get killed if you run too many design runs with him.

I agree with the defense comments. The defense was bad before and will be awful now.

Any Oregon committs ND would be interested in? I know Oregon doesn't recruit that well anways.

Yep. At this point in his career, he can't take it. Dude has played 1 full season. Imagine him switching to the read/option at 32 years old.

And he fumbles a ton.

Vick in the read option = Trainwreck

Mr. McGibblets · Jan 16, 2013

Chip Kelly on Foles after a 2011 56-31 defeat of Arizona:

I'll tell you what; I'm glad Nick Foles is graduating. I catch myself watching him in awe sometimes...Nick is a hell of a football player. That kid's a warrior. He's as good as anyone in the country.

From a short CBS local article that wouldn't load on my computer so I had to type from my phone.

Chip Kelly Loved Nick Foles’ Game In College « CBS Philly

chicago51 · Jan 16, 2013

This could be a Lou Holtz to the Jets type of situation. A top flight college coach who's offense isn't built for the pros. At least Holtz had a background and put an emphasis on defense not Chip Kelly does that. It could be bad.

A Pac · Jan 16, 2013

Oregon is about to get butt banged by the NCAA.

gkIrish · Jan 16, 2013

One of the worst hires of all time by an NFL team. Oregon will also miss him dearly. Kelly is the only winner here IMO

woolybug25 · Jan 16, 2013

The Tebow comments are cracking me up.

Throw Tebow on a team running the spread with a college coach with no NFL experience.... yeah.... that should work. lol

NDohio · Jan 16, 2013

Rhode Irish said:
Yeah, I don't disagree with any of that. I just don't think you have to hire someone that has (1) no experience with coaching NFL players from a personality standpoint, (2) no familiarity with the players and other coaches in the league from an X's and O's/scheme/tendency standpoint, and (3) no network in the NFL that would help him put together a competent staff that could help overcome some of those issues in order to compete in the "new NFL."

If you look at the other guys who have had success coming from college to the NFL recently, they have all had NFL experience - something neither Kelly has. And considering that, as pointed out by another poster above, NFL coaches like Belichick and Shanahan have been able to implement some of the "college" concepts into their schemes, I think you're a lot better off taking a coach that know the NFL and having him learn some of the new football stuff than taking a coach who knows some of the new football stuff and having him learn the NFL. All of theses guys are smart football guys. They can adapt their scheme, so scheme wouldn't be my biggest criteria in selecting a coach if it was my call. A head coach has some responsibility for the system his team runs, but I value those things I mentioned above more than the system a coach will bring with him. The best coaches' systems are always evolving and changing to match personnel anyways.

My prediction is that this is going to be a disaster. We'll see what happens, I guess.

I think you really have to look at the person and not necessarily his NFL connections.

How many Belichick asistants have completely failed when they became head coaches? They have coached under the guru, learned his way of doing things, have connections throughout the NFL to build a staff, etc. And they fall flat on their face.

I have never been a fan of "the Oregon way" of running a program and all the glitz and glamour that goes with it, but I think CK is pretty bright guy. I would be completely surprised if he is not successful.

Rhode Irish · Jan 16, 2013

NDohio said:
I think you really have to look at the person and not necessarily his NFL connections.

How many Belichick asistants have completely failed when they became head coaches? They have coached under the guru, learned his way of doing things, have connections throughout the NFL to build a staff, etc. And they fall flat on their face.

I have never been a fan of "the Oregon way" of running a program and all the glitz and glamour that goes with it, but I think CK is pretty bright guy. I would be completely surprised if he is not successful.

Yeah, the Belichick tree hasn't really taken root (with the somewhat ironic exception of Saban at the college level), but I'm not really talking about how good the assistants are as head coaches. The point is that Belichick's assistants are the right assistants for him because they have been with him forever, know what he wants and expects, know his tendencies, know how he will want certain situations dealt with (in a football and non-football context), etc. There is a working knowledge there that allows information to be common among the group without it being communicated. That matters when its 3rd & 3 and the play clock is running. Those assistants also know the league and it's players and the other coaches because they have experience in it. Kelly will have to choose between the two: either guys that he knows and know him OR guys that know the NFL.

I'm not saying that Kelly isn't a smart guy or that its impossible for it to work, it just seems like an unnecessary risk. I am all about taking risks on high upside instead of playing it safe, but in this case I just don't see the upside. I'm glad I'm not an Eagles fan, that's all I can say.

Mr. McGibblets · Jan 16, 2013

Seems to be several football geniuses posting on IE. For those of you with the quals, please apply for the position located in Eugene:

13013: Head Football Coach

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greyhammer90 · Jan 16, 2013

This is embarrassing.

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Mr. McGibblets · Jan 16, 2013

Eagles odds in Vegas to win next season's Super Bowl have gone from 40-1 to 25-1. All due to a HC hiring. Talk about Covering your *** just in case...

DomerInHappyValley · Jan 16, 2013

Any one else not gonna be surprised if the NCAA drops the hammer on the O with this new development.

NDFANnSouthWest · Jan 16, 2013

greyhammer90 said:
This is embarrassing.

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No $hit. Chip threw this guy under the bus.

ickythump1225 · Jan 16, 2013

woolybug25 said:
The Tebow comments are cracking me up.

Throw Tebow on a team running the spread with a college coach with no NFL experience.... yeah.... that should work. lol

Well my comment was (mostly) tongue in cheek. However if I was Tim Tebow I know what team I would be calling up right now.

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