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wizards8507 said:
So does letting Nike design stupid friggin' uniforms for you every week.

Or joining a conference.

Or lining the stadium with ads.

Or renaming the stadium "1st Source Bank Stadium at Notre Dame".

See what I mean?
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Not really. please, explain.
 
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wizards8507 said:
His secondary (maybe primary) motivation will be to attract new clients who will sign their own big contracts making the agent even more. The agent will get the most publicity (and therefore the most new clients) if he brings BK an NFL contract with slightly less publicity if he lands Kelly a fat ND contract. Nobody is going to hire him if his selling point is that he convinced ND to let BK build a new weight room.
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This is mind boggling. Like I don't even know where to begin with this as there are so many implicit assumptions made in this post that aren't even remotely close to correct. So I guess I'll just leave it alone.

As a corollary, do you have any experience whatsoever with either contract negotiation or collegiate/professional athletics?
 
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Agents rep clients' interests, whatever they may be. The ones that don't aren't agents for very long, and certainly don't get high profile clientele.

Everyone likes money, but to say the agent will overrule Kelly's wishes -- or can even steer the discussion away from what the parties want -- is way too cynical and unrealistic.
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This. And acting like "publicity" is what drives someone to an agent is... sigh. Most people end up with an agent through referral OR because an agent/agency pitched them directly and they really liked what they had to say.

No one watches the ticker on ESPN, sees a guy signed an NFL contract, and then randomly decides to change their representation.
 
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Seriously? Yes, the agent cares the most (just like a car salesman or real estate broker or anyone who works on commission) about getting paid. Duh. That's his endgame.

AT THE SAME TIME, if you don't work in your client's best interest with regard to basically everything YOU GET FIRED. Agent's do SO much more than just negotiate contracts to make $$. Go read any article/book on Drew Rosenhaus and his day-to-day (or really any agent).

Agents spend the majority of their time doing all kinds of stuff completely unrelared to where the money actually comes from... all kinds of irrelevant stuff from scoring drugs to walking dogs to getting basketball tickets for their client's cousin. In this case, all of the aforementioned conditions in the previous post are DIRECTLY related to BK's ability to succeed as the coach at ND. If he says "I want XYZ in the contract" or "I want all of my assistants getting paid top dollar" then his agent will go to war for those conditions. Why? Because if he fails to deliver HE WILL GET FIRED. It's really not a complex concept.
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Your point makes sense by itself but it directly contradicts everything people have been saying in this particular situation.

1. Kelly's agent fights for Kelly's interest, including building a winning program.
2. In pursuit of (1), agent leaks story to ESPN.
3. Leaked story causes (or has potential to cause) Notre Dame to lose recruits.
4. Losing recruits and having stability problems is NOT conducive to building a winning program.

IrishLax said:
No one watches the ticker on ESPN, sees a guy signed an NFL contract, and then randomly decides to change their representation.
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No, but that ticker might catch the eye of someone who doesn't already have an agent, or who's looking for a change anyways.
 
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I've been gone for the last two days, can someone post the latest in the BK/ND HC rumors?

Thanks in advance!
 
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Your point makes sense by itself but it directly contradicts everything people have been saying in this particular situation.

1. Kelly's agent fights for Kelly's interest, including building a winning program.
2. In pursuit of (1), agent leaks story to ESPN.
3. Leaked story causes (or has potential to cause) Notre Dame to lose recruits.
4. Losing recruits and having stability problems is NOT conducive to building a winning program.
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OK but people have clearly said, if this were the case, that it was simply a miscalculation. People make "wrong" decision all the time with unintended consequences. And the only lost recruit was a guy who was going to leave anyways and left completely unrelated to the BK news.

All of the other recruits, as expected, have basically been informed by the other coaches that Kelly isn't going anywhere. I don't think Kelly or his agent ever thought that this would cause a decommittment... and to this point, it hasn't.
 
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Cackalacky said:
Meh,...I just want a jumbotron.
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Your point makes sense by itself but it directly contradicts everything people have been saying in this particular situation.

1. Kelly's agent fights for Kelly's interest, including building a winning program.
2. In pursuit of (1), agent leaks story to ESPN.
3. Leaked story causes (or has potential to cause) Notre Dame to lose recruits.
4. Losing recruits and having stability problems is NOT conducive to building a winning program.
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Its all about is the risk worth the reward. Does kelly believe the changes he is fighting for will have a larger impact than losing a few recruits. So far we have only lost AA and by all indications that had very little to do with the eagle rumors.
 
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One way or the other Kelly needs to sh*t or get off the pot. Time is very important here. At the very least he needs to come out with a public statement with at least a hint about what is going on. I believe no matter what his motivation is with this process it has been handled poorly.
 
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Les Miles has shown interest in the Notre Dame head coaching position. Awaiting contract extension from LSU...
 
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One way or the other Kelly needs to sh*t or get off the pot. Time is very important here. At the very least he needs to come out with a public statement with at least a hint about what is going on. I believe no matter what his motivation is with this process it has been handled poorly.
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He who speaks first loses ......
 
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kuehnja said:
I literally haven't read anything so the truth would be appreciated lol/
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Ok so Kelly interviewed with the Eagles on Tuesday. Some say there is interest. However there is circumstantial evidence that he is leveraging. Amoung the rumors BK wants: a raise (duh), raise and multi year deals for assistants, and some relaxation in the admissions. Most of the discussion is about the fact that this seems to be a plot by Kelly, his agent, and possibly even Jack Swarbrick to get more concessions from the university.
 
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kuehnja said:
I literally haven't read anything so the truth would be appreciated lol/
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Haha my bad man. Pretty much Kelly interviewed with the Eagles. He went on vacation. ND fans go into meltdown mode everywhere. Nothing happens, and ND fans continue to freak out everywhere. Mix in some details about contract negotiations, lowering academic standards, and pay for assistant coaches.
 
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OK but people have clearly said, if this were the case, that it was simply a miscalculation. People make "wrong" decision all the time with unintended consequences. And the only lost recruit was a guy who was going to leave anyways and left completely unrelated to the BK news.

All of the other recruits, as expected, have basically been informed by the other coaches that Kelly isn't going anywhere. I don't think Kelly or his agent ever thought that this would cause a decommittment... and to this point, it hasn't.
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You might be right. I just don't see an agent or coach at that level being so stupid. These kids flip commitments for seemingly no reason all the time. I just find it hard to believe that everyone failed to consider that rumors of a head coach leaving a program might tweak the sensibilities of 17 year old kids.

You're right that it hasn't caused anything but it still could, and if it did, it might be bad. A lot of these kids were "on the fence" for a long time meaning there's at least one other school that each of them really likes. It's also ammo for opposing coaches to use on recruits who are still undecided. In that regard, we'll never know whether this had an impact or not but who's to say that this hasn't pushed an "on the fence" kid into somebody else's camp?
 
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kuehnja said:
I've been gone for the last two days, can someone post the latest in the BK/ND HC rumors?

Thanks in advance!
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Board completely did a melt down

A few posters jumped off the cliff

AA decided to go to Florida

Looks like BK is getting a good deal for himself and his assistants

We are waiting on the final word

Diaco and Swarbrick had lunch together
 
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Someone find out what Diaco ate for lunch. It is very important. It may be the key to telling what the lunch date was really about.
 
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The agent certainly operates at the behest and in the best interest of the client. That could actually be the definition of "agent." The difference between a good agent and a bad agent is the ability to (1) correctly identify the "best interest" of the client, even if (and especially when) the client is unsure or wrongheaded about his best interests, and (2) effectively chart and successfully navigate a course of action to deliver the client that which is in his bet interests.

It is with respect to this second criterion where I think Trace Armstrong may have come up short.
 
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NDohio said:
Board completely did a melt down

A few posters jumped off the cliff

AA decided to go to Florida

Looks like BK is getting a good deal for himself and his assistants

We are waiting on the final word

Diaco and Swarbrick had lunch together
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So this whole thing was so Diaco could get a free lunch?
 
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To those of you demanding a statement from Kelly, what would you like him to say? Publicly say he's using this to get a new contract and for us to not let Swarbrick know? The more panic he causes by making the interest seem legitimate, the more leverage he has.
 
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