Who is Likely Next (2013)

[IrishSpartan]

I want the Robinson twins

 

[CityIrish56]

Irish Illustrated ‏@NDatRivals


Would definitely change some things in the numbers game.

What are the actual chances he gets the 6th year? If he does and it affects the numbers of spots available, i wouldn't mind trying to grab one more recruit or just shutting down then to leave spots for people like Watt, Fox or Calabrese. This class is already extremely impressive so im happy either way they finish.

 

[NDhoosier]

with max now in the fold....is the conventional wisdom now that we can add 2 more and still have carlo and fox back next yr?

or is it just one more?
no more?

one more... after that, either Carlo or Fox will have to go... If no transfers or hardships happen.

 

[Ricochet]

DeMarcus Robinson is next and he will be an EE.

 

[ohara831]

DeMarcus Robinson is next and he will be an EE.

If this happens, I will not shed a tear. This kid can play.

 

[yankeeND]

Look I'm hammered, just hit home from my fantasy football party at Bdubs and getting DeMarcus Robinson would be the icing on the cake! Don't play with my emotions Smokey!

 

[ulukinatme]

Part of me wants to be a douchebag and cut someone like Bama to make room for some of these guys...I'm feeling selfish wondering who might get left out if we don't have room.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

I say we take two of EV, Robinson, Prevot or Hollins then deal with the 5th year/transfer thing when that happens.. worse comes to worst, no transfers out and we have to tell Carlo thanks but no thanks.. I'm OK with that scenario.. what I don't want to see happen, and what I foresee will probably happen is we only take one more commit, then someone transfers and we leave an extra roster spot open.. oh well, class is stupid good as it is

 

[Riddickulous]

I have a feeling that if we get Robinson, we won't take anyone but Vanderdoes.

 

[RuntheBall]

Got to thinking-- if ND doesn't get AQM (or even EV), would anybody's feelings be hurt if ND shut it down and didn't get another commit for '13?

I think AQM and EV are both guys to sign no matter what. Prevot, Hollins, Larue are all good players, but I'm not sure that they're kids you can't pass up or must get. Calabrese could come back and the staff would end up with an extra 1 or 2 scholarships for next year's class if the staff shut it down now. A big part of me thinks Okwara will end up as a Cat anyway (Spond, Councell, and Smith at Dog), making the depth there Shembo, Williams, Okwara?, Randolph? And aren't there a couple guys kind of in ILB/OLB limbo like Rabassa? Plus add in a guy or 2 in next year's class.

Discuss.

I was thinking about this earlier, and I agree (I think). I think we need some one on the DL, but wouldn't be crushed if we were done. EV and DR are the two I think I would take. Prevot and Hollins are two more options- though are near AQM or EV (not that their bad because of that). We don't NEED to be full every year.

EDIT: Not sure if I have the numbers thing right. IF we get Jamoris back (Wood/Eifert gone), then how many spots do we have? 1 + the 'Vanderdoes' spot (Super Elite Spot) or just the Super Elite Spot? IF we have the first (1+EV) I am all for taking Hollins/ Prevot / Robinson and EV. But maybe only 1 of the first 3. IF we could get Robinson my stance may change a bit.
FYI I would rank the four: EV, Robinson, Hollins, Prevot (Last two are close). You guys agree?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I would still definitely want to add at least one guy. Hollins, Prevot, LJ Moore, LaRue, Hutchings, etc. are all guys I think you try to take if you have a spot.

If Slaughter is coming back, we allegedly only have room for one "elite" recruit (Vanderdoes). If he's not, we've got room for an additional recruit, but does it make sense to take the best available when that means adding a low-to-mid 4 to an already crowded position group? Overloading creates problems.

We're currently at 17/16 for both WR/RB and CB/S (18/16 if Slaughter returns). Moore, Larue, and Robinson all exacerbate that problem.

Hollins, Prevot or Hutchings would make sense if Randolph and Rabasa end up moving inside. If not, OLB is already at 8/8 (all very talented), so adding any of the above will overload that position as well.

 

[IrishLax]

Part of me wants to be a douchebag and cut someone like Bama to make room for some of these guys...I'm feeling selfish wondering who might get left out if we don't have room.

The thing is, while 'Bama might be the biggest offender of "scholarship not renewed" and phantom medical hardships... almost every school does it to some degree. I shared a story the other day of a friend's experience with Syracuse lacrosse where he got cut. There was a story the other day on a guy at Louisville who got beat up by his teammates and then had his scholarship not renewed. It happens almost everywhere.

There are a lot of guys on this roster who simply wouldn't have been kept around by another "big time" school. Namely Luke Massa (2 QB not recruited by Kelly to WR and torn ACL), Lo Wood (achilles injury to a depth player), and a handful of others who you can probably figure out looking at a depth chart and then considering potential recruits in this class or the next.

But that's not how we do things at ND. You get a scholarship and you get four years to be a STUDENT athlete and graduate with a very valuable degree. I wouldn't have it any other way even if it puts us at a competitive disadvantage.

The interesting thing to watch will be the voluntary transfers of guys looking for more PT and how that affects numbers late in the cycle. Right now we're currently holding around "0" spots when you consider the situation with Slaughter.

 

[IrishLax]

If Slaughter is coming back, we allegedly only have room for one "elite" recruit (Vanderdoes). If he's not, we've got room for an additional recruit, but does it make sense to take the best available when that means adding a low-to-mid 4 to an already crowded position group? Overloading creates problems.

We're currently at 17/16 for both WR/RB and CB/S (18/16 if Slaughter returns). Moore, Larue, and Robinson all exacerbate that problem.

Hollins, Prevot or Hutchings would make sense if Randolph and Rabasa end up moving inside. If not, OLB is already at 8/8 (all very talented), so adding any of the above will overload that position as well.

Well, we're still clearly targeting other WRs so we're not "full" there. And I think LJ Moore works only if you plan to use Redfield as an outside WR. Who is Robinson? The twins? don't see that happening at all. Also don't see Moore happening in almost any scenario... but I think it makes sense.

And also it's worth pointing out that a couple guys I'm assuming you're counting on in those position groups could almost be considered dead weight. Lo Wood had an incredibly serious injury... who knows how he comes back from that. Chris Badger is nowhere close to being a contributor at safety. Massa is counted as a WR. And it remains to be seen with a lot of other skill position guys whether or not they're capable of playing championship caliber football whether due to injury or a lack of talent.

So versatile multi-position guys like LaRue always have some value.

 

[DomeLover3]

If we can get Vanderdoes obviously take him... if we can't, I'm perfectly fine holding the scholarship for 2014.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Well, we're still clearly targeting other WRs so we're not "full" there. And I think LJ Moore works only if you plan to use Redfield as an outside WR. Who is Robinson? The twins? don't see that happening at all. Also don't see Moore happening in almost any scenario... but I think it makes sense.

Demarcus Robinson is allegedly considering us again.

And also it's worth pointing out that a couple guys I'm assuming you're counting on in those position groups could almost be considered dead weight. Lo Wood had an incredibly serious injury... who knows how he comes back from that. Chris Badger is nowhere close to being a contributor at safety. Massa is counted as a WR. And it remains to be seen with a lot of other skill position guys whether or not they're capable of playing championship caliber football whether due to injury or a lack of talent.

That's fair. If you discount some of the "dead weight" guys, it relieves some of the concerns with too much competition leading to transfers. But those guys are still on scholarship, so it means suboptimal depth elsewhere is unavoidable.

So versatile multi-position guys like LaRue always have some value.

I love his versatility, but his size will limit him to either CB or Z WR. If we're going to overload at WR, a prototypical X/W like Robinson would make the most sense.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

It wasn't to damn long ago that some here felt that J. Goodman was "dead weight" along these parts.

I think it's silly to write these guys off before they hit their stride, if they ever do of course, but let's be patient.

We're writing off Lo Wood already?

Lax, come on man.

 

[cody1smith]

It wasn't to damn long ago that some here felt that J. Goodman was "dead weight" along these parts.

I think it's silly to write these guys off before they hit their stride, if they ever do of course, but let's be patient.

We're writing off Lo Wood already?

Lax, come on man.

Agreed..... no injury and he would be our starter this season.

 

[Emcee77]

You don't want to count anyone out, but I think Lax's main point is right on though. It may actually make sense to overload at some position groups to hedge against the fear that some of the guys in that position group will never be able to contribute.

Also, we don't want to lose sight of the fact that a position group is not made up of totally interchangeable players who all have the exact same attributes. We may be full at outside receiver, but we don't necessarily have anyone like D Robinson, a big wide receiver in the mold (physically) of Mike Floyd (it does appear the sky is the limit for C. Robinson, but he is raw). RB/Z WR is a good example ... in our ideal world this will be one position group made up uniformly of players who are equally good in the slot and the backfield like Theo, but the reality is that we'll want and have some players who are primarily running backs and some who are primarily receivers.

I guess all I'm trying to say is that sometimes even if you are at 8/8 on the depth chart, your team's needs haven't been filled.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I guess all I'm trying to say is that sometimes even if you are at 8/8 on the depth chart, your team's needs haven't been filled.

No doubt, but overloading necessarily means losing depth at other positions. That can obviously be justified for an elite recruit, but to reiterate my earlier point, why add a low-mid 4 at an already crowded (if not technically "full") position group when there are positions of genuine need?

 

[TheTurningPoint]

There will be plenty of room if Prevot/Vanderdoes/Robinson/Larue want to come. All 4...no...but a combo of 2 of them yes. 3 is a huge stretch. Numbers game. After Monday...guys will leave to go pro or comeback. There will be at least 1 transfer from what I am told, and thats not even counting if someone goes on medical. Sure its a selective process with it being a numbers game, but ND is already using the pressure game. A repeat of last year isn't going to happen, and they are taking the proper steps to ensure that doesnt happen.

 

[Irish YJ]

There will be plenty of room if Prevot/Vanderdoes/Robinson/Larue want to come. All 4...no...but a combo of 2 of them yes. 3 is a huge stretch. Numbers game. After Monday...guys will leave to go pro or comeback. There will be at least 1 transfer from what I am told, and thats not even counting if someone goes on medical. Sure its a selective process with it being a numbers game, but ND is already using the pressure game. A repeat of last year isn't going to happen, and they are taking the proper steps to ensure that doesnt happen.

Sounds like all is well

 

[ThePiombino]

There will be plenty of room if Prevot/Vanderdoes/Robinson/Larue want to come. All 4...no...but a combo of 2 of them yes. 3 is a huge stretch. Numbers game. After Monday...guys will leave to go pro or comeback. There will be at least 1 transfer from what I am told, and thats not even counting if someone goes on medical. Sure its a selective process with it being a numbers game, but ND is already using the pressure game. A repeat of last year isn't going to happen, and they are taking the proper steps to ensure that doesnt happen.

I know this is not going to get answered, but since we're all thinking it.... WHO WHO WHO???

 

[Domina Nostra]

I know this is not going to get answered, but since we're all thinking it.... WHO WHO WHO???

Sounds like Hendrix. It makes sense if he wants to play.

If you look down the roster there are a few other guys who are good players but may not fit our scheme, like Utupo. Then their are a couple of log jam positions, like safety.

 

[ThePiombino]

Sounds like Hendrix. It makes sense if he wants to play.

If you look down the roster there are a few other guys who are good players but may not fit our scheme, like Utupo. Then their are a couple of log jam positions, like safety.

Hendrix makes sense and I'd hate to see it happen, but mostly for him. Gotta figure he's 3rd on the depth chart at best next year and he could definitely start somewhere.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Hendrix makes sense and I'd hate to see it happen, but mostly for him. Gotta figure he's 3rd on the depth chart at best next year and he could definitely start somewhere.

He'd be interesting somewhere that runs a lot of option.

 

[Emcee77]

There will be plenty of room if Prevot/Vanderdoes/Robinson/Larue want to come. All 4...no...but a combo of 2 of them yes. 3 is a huge stretch. Numbers game. After Monday...guys will leave to go pro or comeback. There will be at least 1 transfer from what I am told, and thats not even counting if someone goes on medical. Sure its a selective process with it being a numbers game, but ND is already using the pressure game. A repeat of last year isn't going to happen, and they are taking the proper steps to ensure that doesnt happen.

That's so mean. Is it someone who people already suspect might transfer? Or will this blow us away?

 

[Domina Nostra]

That's so mean. Is it someone who people already suspect might transfer? Or will this blow us away?

I doubt any key contributor is contemplating leaving right after an NC! Perhaps Councell watched the Army game and saw the future! (I kid! I love Ben's game and am confident he will play significant minutes).

 

[GBdomer]

Ben Councell isn't leaving lol

 

[Itchynut]

From Eric Hansen Notebook....

Hendrix ponders future

Andrew Hendirix emerged from spring practice perhaps the slight favorite to win the Notre Dame starting quarterback job in August, then started and finished the 2012 season as the No. 3 option for the Irish behind starter Everett Golson and former starter Tommy Rees.

“Everett did a great job this year,” the junior from Cincinnati Moeller High said. “You can’t argue with 12-0, you really can’t. Tom’s come in and done a fantastic job when he’s been called on.

“Obviously, you’d like to play a little more on the field, but to see where this team is going, it’s hard to be anything but so pleased with where we are right now.”

And in the future?

“It’s hard to say,” he said. “Right now I’m just doing the best with the situation that I’ve been dealt right now. I’m only two plays away from playing, being the guy in the national championship game, and I’ve prepared like that’s the case.

“It’s hard to think big picture when there’s all this going on right now, and after the season I’ll assess where I am. It’d be hard to leave this team with a year left. Obviously, I would take that into consideration, but I’ll cross that bridge when I get there. The coaches will be honest with me about where I stand. They always have been.”

Makes the most sense to me....He will not see the field next year.

 

[BGIF]

From Eric Hansen Notebook....

Hendrix ponders future

Andrew Hendirix emerged from spring practice perhaps the slight favorite to win the Notre Dame starting quarterback job in August, then started and finished the 2012 season as the No. 3 option for the Irish behind starter Everett Golson and former starter Tommy Rees.

“Everett did a great job this year,” the junior from Cincinnati Moeller High said. “You can’t argue with 12-0, you really can’t. Tom’s come in and done a fantastic job when he’s been called on.

“Obviously, you’d like to play a little more on the field, but to see where this team is going, it’s hard to be anything but so pleased with where we are right now.”

And in the future?

“It’s hard to say,” he said. “Right now I’m just doing the best with the situation that I’ve been dealt right now. I’m only two plays away from playing, being the guy in the national championship game, and I’ve prepared like that’s the case.

“It’s hard to think big picture when there’s all this going on right now, and after the season I’ll assess where I am. It’d be hard to leave this team with a year left. Obviously, I would take that into consideration, but I’ll cross that bridge when I get there. The coaches will be honest with me about where I stand. They always have been.”

Makes the most sense to me....He will not see the field next year.

See the discussion in the Hendrix thread:

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/201...rew-hendrix-notre-dame-signee.html#post868983