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So you don't think an undefeated BoiseSt with 30SOS gets booted for an 11-1 ND, Bama, USC team? The criteria are out there and they have said as much in regard to SOS.

point.

but Notre Dame is not Bosie State... we shall all see how this plays out... I do think ND has to take steps to help the overall cause and oversigning and lower academics will not be among them... a workable schedule may very well work and I hope that is where this is all leading.
 
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So you don't think an undefeated BoiseSt with 30SOS gets booted for an 11-1 ND, Bama, USC team? The criteria are out there and they have said as much in regard to SOS.

I'm calling BS on this. Boise St gets booted over ND, Bama, and USC because no one gives a sh*t about Boise St.

Bama's 2011 Schedule
Kent State
Penn State
North Texas
Arkansas
Florida
Vanderbilt
Ole Miss
Tennessee
LSU
Georgia Southern
Auburn
 

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heard on radio that the acc (and nd) are looking to put the "acc football heavies" (ie FSU, VT, Clemson) in the first year of NDs ACC mandatory schedule rotation.
said wanted "to have big national games to kickstart all the big rivalries with the upper echelon acc teams"
i think it was a guest on with childers. i wonder what first yr acc schedule will look like when the dust settles.

I doubt that would happen. Why blow your was the first year when you can work that for all it's worth? Build anticipation for those matchups. I am sure they would like to schedule an FSU or Miami/ND matchup, but the rest can wait.
 

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I'm calling BS on this. Boise St gets booted over ND, Bama, and USC because no one gives a sh*t about Boise St.

Bama's 2011 Schedule
Kent State
Penn State
North Texas
Arkansas
Florida
Vanderbilt
Ole Miss
Tennessee
LSU
Georgia Southern
Auburn

A 12-0 BoiseSt, much like in recent years, is in the NC contender category.
 

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point.

but Notre Dame is not Bosie State... we shall all see how this plays out... I do think ND has to take steps to help the overall cause and oversigning and lower academics will not be among them... a workable schedule may very well work and I hope that is where this is all leading.


I agree, but remember, Notre Dame has a huge fan base across the nation, however that fan base does not necessarily come from the media or coaches. There are many that hate ND and any excuse they can to disparage ND they would love to use. I think many in the media are hoping we lose to Miami just so they can claim we are over rated.
 

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heard on radio that the acc (and nd) are looking to put the "acc football heavies" (ie FSU, VT, Clemson) in the first year of NDs ACC mandatory schedule rotation.
said wanted "to have big national games to kickstart all the big rivalries with the upper echelon acc teams"

That doesn't make a lot of sense. It means one of every three years we'd have a killer schedule and the other two would be a lot lighter. Also, it's hard to create "rivalries" with teams you only play once every three years, which is the one thing I really don't get about this ACC deal.
 

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I agree, but remember, Notre Dame has a huge fan base across the nation, however that fan base does not necessarily come from the media or coaches. There are many that hate ND and any excuse they can to disparage ND they would love to use. I think many in the media are hoping we lose to Miami just so they can claim we are over rated.

Honestly, I don't think most of "the media" cares much one way or the other. They tend to root for the best story.

This is kind of a silly debate. If we go undefeated we're playing for the national championship. That's true for any major conference team, in part because it's so damn hard to go undefeated in a major conference that there's never been more than two teams that have done it in the BCS, 12-game and a conference championship, era.
Where SOS matters in this is picking among the 1-loss teams, or among the 2-loss teams for access to a BCS bowl. But, especially in the latter category, fan base matters too. And in that department we do just fine.

I think dropping Michigan increases the urgency of scheduling one more high-profile opponent - i.e. Oklahoma - beyond the ACC and USC/Stanford. Stanford, MSU and much of the ACC are too inconsistent to be a reliably big game the way Michigan was. And you do need to play big games if you want to be, you know, "relevant." But if we do that, we're fine.
 

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heard on radio that the acc (and nd) are looking to put the "acc football heavies" (ie FSU, VT, Clemson) in the first year of NDs ACC mandatory schedule rotation.
said wanted "to have big national games to kickstart all the big rivalries with the upper echelon acc teams"
i think it was a guest on with childers. i wonder what first yr acc schedule will look like when the dust settles.

This doesn't make sense from either ND's or the ACC's viewpoint. Yes, it creates attention BUT if ND is strong and beats all the "ACC heavies" the ACC takes a 0-3 hit on their conference "toughness". Under the BCS, the ACC Champ still gets an automatic bid but in a playoff system, they commit suicide. Likewise if ND goes 0-3 they're done for the year as they're probably a 5, 6 or more loss team. You don't have to have the toughest SOS just competitive with the other highly ranked (fewer losses) teams.

Whoever made the comment on the radio isn't thinking Winning Conference Scheduling ala Roy Kramar, the SEC Commissioner who created the SEC Divisions, Championship Game, and watered down scheduling. Kramer would probably have ND play the weaker ACC teams to bolster the Conference's overall OOC schedule. FSU, etc look better beating a Duke or WF team that lost to ND than lost to Liberty College.
 

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I wont miss this game at all. Too many screw jobs and big ten bias. It would be awesome to win the next 2 games then tell them to go pound salt. Dont need'em. I bet they match up in a bowl game.

Agreed! Though I would like to see ND keep Purdue on the schedule yr. after yr. To me, being from Indiana, it would be nice to have that in-state rivalry to continue. Plus, it gives me an opportune time to "rub it in" to my brother and nephew (Boiler fans) when ND kicks their azz!!! I've been to the last 3 ND-PU match-ups and enjoyed each one (particularly the tailgating and the ND victories), even last yr. in West Lafayette.
 

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You know i had a feeling wolverine1997 would get banned over this thread. I could feel it in my bones......i just never understood why he was here in the first place
 

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You know i had a feeling wolverine1997 would get banned over this thread. I could feel it in my bones......i just never understood why he was here in the first place

Based on the way that they appear to count things, every 25 posts by a Michigan fan on a rival's messageboard equates to 1 NC
 

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You know i had a feeling wolverine1997 would get banned over this thread. I could feel it in my bones......i just never understood why he was here in the first place

Because he likes to talk football and in most cases is pretty level headed? Variety is the spice of life my friends. Listening to other fanbases is not always a bad thing.
 

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Because he likes to talk football and in most cases is pretty level headed? Variety is the spice of life my friends. Listening to other fanbases is not always a bad thing.

We listen to you?
 

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You know i had a feeling wolverine1997 would get banned over this thread. I could feel it in my bones......i just never understood why he was here in the first place

I take blame for agitating him, I fear I severely upset him with my disparaging, albeit true, remarks about Fielding Yost.
 
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Honestly, I don't think most of "the media" cares much one way or the other. They tend to root for the best story.

This is kind of a silly debate. If we go undefeated we're playing for the national championship. That's true for any major conference team, in part because it's so damn hard to go undefeated in a major conference that there's never been more than two teams that have done it in the BCS, 12-game and a conference championship, era.
Where SOS matters in this is picking among the 1-loss teams, or among the 2-loss teams for access to a BCS bowl. But, especially in the latter category, fan base matters too. And in that department we do just fine.

I think dropping Michigan increases the urgency of scheduling one more high-profile opponent - i.e. Oklahoma - beyond the ACC and USC/Stanford. Stanford, MSU and much of the ACC are too inconsistent to be a reliably big game the way Michigan was. And you do need to play big games if you want to be, you know, "relevant." But if we do that, we're fine.

Oklahoma, USC, and Auburn all went undefeated in the regular season in 2004. Okie then lost to USC who finished 13-0 (11-0 after vacated two wins and being stripped of their title; such tears are mighty delicious) in the Natty game. Auburn finished 14-0. But other than that season you quite correct.

Note- Utah also finished that season 12-0. What a crazy year that was.
 
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Oklahoma, USC, and Auburn all went undefeated in the regular season in 2004. Okie then lost to USC who finished 13-0 (11-0 after vacated two wins and being stripped of their title; such tears are mighty delicious) in the Natty game. Auburn finished 14-0. But other than that season you quite correct.

Note- Utah also finished that season 12-0. What a crazy year that was.

Right. My bad. I forgot the "Great 2004 Hosing of Auburn." But my broader point stands. Win and we're in.
 

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Why does it have to be undefeated. You are probably right if a team goes undefeated they will have a shot at the NC. But what about the 1 loss teams. I have seen several teams with 1 loss at the end of the season. Perhaps, only 1 or 2 undefeated teams and sometimes none. It would obviously be unusual to see 4 undefeated teams at the end of the year. but not that unusual to see 1 undefeated team and 4-5 one loss teams. How would SOS play in then gentlemen? I suppose you are right provided you go undefeated, however if a loss occurs then suddenly it may have an impact.
 

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Because he likes to talk football and in most cases is pretty level headed? Variety is the spice of life my friends. Listening to other fanbases is not always a bad thing.

I agree. I find college boards that only contain the same group of fans is a little bland, the differing opinions and debates are better when you get opposing viewpoints. Trolling isn't tolerated, but you can be a polite fan and provide good discussion.

I've been a regular visitor at BuckeyePlanet since they invited me over before the Fiesta Bowl several years ago (Coming from a now defunct ND board). Yeah, there are some Buckeye fans that have an intense hatred for the Irish. I've never really understood it, some of them would take a leak on an Irish fan before a Michigan fan. On the other hand, theres plenty of level headed fans available that provide good discussion and welcome the input from fans of other teams.
 

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Why does it have to be undefeated. You are probably right if a team goes undefeated they will have a shot at the NC. But what about the 1 loss teams. I have seen several teams with 1 loss at the end of the season. Perhaps, only 1 or 2 undefeated teams and sometimes none. It would obviously be unusual to see 4 undefeated teams at the end of the year. but not that unusual to see 1 undefeated team and 4-5 one loss teams. How would SOS play in then gentlemen? I suppose you are right provided you go undefeated, however if a loss occurs then suddenly it may have an impact.

Undefeated will not guarantee you a spot in the NC game. For instance I can see an undefeated BoiseSt (w/Kellen Moore) being bumped for a 1 loss Bama. One loss is not going to hurt you as long as your SOS is solid.
 

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So you don't think an undefeated BoiseSt with 30SOS gets booted for an 11-1 ND, Bama, USC team? The criteria are out there and they have said as much in regard to SOS.
When the hell does Boise State have the 30th-ranked schedule?

If a name school from a name conference goes 12/13-0 with the #30 SOS, they will get in over a one-loss team with the #5 SOS basically every time.

Undefeated will not guarantee you a spot in the NC game. For instance I can see an undefeated BoiseSt (w/Kellen Moore) being bumped for a 1 loss Bama. One loss is not going to hurt you as long as your SOS is solid.
You seem to have some strange love affair with Boise State. What does Boise State beating up on WAC schools have to do with the Notre Dame/Michigan rivalry?

Wait, are you one of those nuts who think Boise State would have beaten Alabama (despite not being able to beat Nevada).
 
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When the hell does Boise State have the 30th-ranked schedule?

If a name school from a name conference goes 12/13-0 with the #30 SOS, they will get in over a one-loss team with the #5 SOS basically every time.


You seem to have some strange love affair with Boise State. What does Boise State beating up on WAC schools have to do with the Notre Dame/Michigan rivalry?

Wait, are you one of those nuts who think Boise State would have beaten Alabama (despite not being able to beat Nevada).

I was using them as an example because they are considered to have a weak schedule. Please read what I am writing. The #5 SOS with 1 loss has a better chance of being in the top 4 playoff than an undefeated #30 SOS, if the 4 or 5 teams are either undefeated or with 1 loss. What about this do you not understand? I checked just to make sure my keyboard wasn't set to Spanish or something... SOS is going to be a component on who is getting invited to this playoff.
 

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Undefeated will not guarantee you a spot in the NC game. For instance I can see an undefeated BoiseSt (w/Kellen Moore) being bumped for a 1 loss Bama. One loss is not going to hurt you as long as your SOS is solid.

I agree wholeheartedly.

No one is suggesting making the schedule impossible. Also, I personally believe SOS better prepares teams to win in the bowl games.
 

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The #5 SOS with 1 loss has a better chance of being in the top 4 playoff than an undefeated #30 SOS, if the 4 or 5 teams are either undefeated or with 1 loss. What about this do you not understand?
I understand what you are saying, it's just that it's a baseless opinion (i.e. bullshit). If Notre Dame is undefeated and has the #30 SOS, the Irish will be in the playoff over any one-loss team.

SOS will be a factor, not the factor.

And Boise State never, ever, ever, came close to playing a top-30 schedule.
 

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I understand what you are saying, it's just that it's a baseless opinion (i.e. bullshit). If Notre Dame is undefeated and has the #30 SOS, the Irish will be in the playoff over any one-loss team.

SOS will be a factor, not the factor.

And Boise State never, ever, ever, came close to playing a top-30 schedule.

Its not a baseless opinion. The whole Boise thing was a total hypothetical. I could have used Iowa or Cal or whoever. Why you are reading into the way you are, I am not sure.

BCS Presidential Oversight Committee states:

• Creation of a selection committee that will rank the teams to play in the playoff, giving all the teams an equal opportunity to participate. Among the factors the committee will value are win-loss record, strength of schedule, head-to-head results, and whether a team is a conference champion.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Hoke says Notre Dame is "chickening out" of its series with Michigan. Notes ND is still playing Michigan State.</p>— Kyle Meinke (@kmeinke) <a href="https://twitter.com/kmeinke/status/333991113411137537">May 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>(Gets loud applause, of course)</p>— Kyle Meinke (@kmeinke) <a href="https://twitter.com/kmeinke/status/333991180650029058">May 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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I'm pretty sure they ended they series first right? We just accelerated it.
 
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