So... I've dipped my toe in a Vegan diet

[ND NYC]

SUGAR.

It's all the damn SUGAR in all our diets, in all age groups, that is wreaking complete HAVOC with our health, fitness, moods, energy levels.

anyone see that 60 Minutes piece on sugar? scary stuff...


ps Bluth-cool stuff, thx for the pix too i give your sis a lot of credit (and to you too for helping out--looks like you guys did a great job there!)

 

[johnnykillz]

Arian Foster's vegan, and is doing ok so far. (Of course, he's also got the $ for the boatload of supplements, which also doesn't hurt...)

CJ Spiller and Maurice Jones Drew eat meat.

They're winnig my fantasy league for me...

They said a man what he eats.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Its working for Prince Fielder. He's in great shape.

 

[johnnykillz]

Its working for Prince Fielder. He's in great shape.

Fielder is on a Ciliac's disease kick.

 

[ColinKSU]

I agree, but I am gonna do one thing at a time. I already cut myself down to one cup of black coffee a day. (I used to drink about a pot a day with cream and sugar). Ditching caffeine is actually significantly harder than cutting animal products.

Thanks for the encouragement.

If I was physically able to ditch caffeine, I would love to. Unfortunately, my physical condition requires an extra kick of energy to function.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Its working for Prince Fielder. He's in great shape.

He is just big boned.

 

[notredomer23]

So I'm not saying this to be a prick, but more cause I like you Wooly, you're a funny dude. And anyone who likes the Big Lebowski as much as you is alright by me...
but... thats a terrible idea.

Short Answer:
Michael Clarke Duncan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Long Answer:
Watch this video. Its about an hour, give it five minutes, literally five minutes and then if it has grabbed your attention, give it five more, and five more. You won't be disappointed.
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I liked MCD a lot, he was great in Armageddon, wish someone who knew what they were talking about spoke up about his diet.

Could Being a Vegetarian Have Contributed to Michael Clarke Duncan’s Untimely Death? | MD Wellness | Dr Michael Rothman | Red Bank, NJ

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[Bluto]

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Come one being a vegetarian helped kill him? Lol. That flies in the face of just about anything I have ever heard a dietician say. Now those people who are trying to survive on vitamin D only diest might be headed for trouble.

 

[BobD]

Awesome! Good luck with it. I don't know if I could go full vegan, but 85-90% of everything I do eat is fruits or veggies ever since I started my diet back in January.

Soda is the devil.

Natural caffeine isn't bad in moderation. I drink homemade green ice tea brewed in the sun which has some caffeine and every once in awhile if I need more of a boost I'll drink ice tea made from black tea.

 

[irishpat183]

Not necessarily so.

Is Soy Bad For Men's Health? | LIVESTRONG.COM

Is Soy Bad for Men's Health? | Healthy Eating | SF Gate

And it's good for heart and prostate health. I do try to avoid processed soy though. Stick mostly to edamame and tofu.

interesting.....I had a some buddies of mine (both were hardcore workout guys that are in incredible shape...but it's easy when you work at the damn gym) that swore against soy because it raises estrogen levels.

 

[johnnykillz]

interesting.....I had a some buddies of mine (both were hardcore workout guys that are in incredible shape...but it's easy when you work at the damn gym) that swore against soy because it raises estrogen levels.

B!tch t!ts are the devil...

 

[Buster Bluth]

That's seriously cool, Buster. With my next house, I plan on doing something similar on a smaller scale.

Looks like they custom built that greenhouse? Any insight on that?

Eh I don't think it's custom built. It came from some magazine. It woudn't be the hardest thing to build from scratch though, that's for sure.

 

[fitz_bu47]

Old Man Mike said it perfectly. I respect what you are saying Wooly, and I know that not all "organic", "free range" stuff is truly what they claim. I wish it was all coming from Buster's sisters place.

We can just agree to disagree on what paleo/primal is, but if you are ever interested there is great info. out there from quality sources.

I don't eat "primal" all the time, I try to stick to mostly veggies, high quality proteins, and some fruit, but in my weaker moments I've been known to eat a cheeseburger or chicken wings at the bar.

I am w/ Old Man Mike, and have sensed some hostilitly in your last couple replies. So, we can quit talking about this stuff. I'll just say I think it's awesome you are so passionate about the way animals are treated, and I hope we are headed in a direction where more operations are run the right way! There are a lot of different ways to be healthy if you educate yourself and stick to a plan. Good luck to you on yours, if you can go vegan you are tougher than me!

 

[Veer option]

Congrats on your alternative lifestyle choice and I support it whole- heartedly. If your diet choice makes you feel better than go for it. I have no problem with normal vegans/vegetarians. The ones I have a problem with are the uppity ones who think their lifestyle choice makes them think they are better than everyone else. They can all choke on their tempeah, gluten free, harmoniously grown bean sprout sandwiches.

Oh and

 

[Irish Houstonian]

interesting.....I had a some buddies of mine (both were hardcore workout guys that are in incredible shape...but it's easy when you work at the damn gym) that swore against soy because it raises estrogen levels.

They're right, which is why you have to avoid cheap "high-protein" products/snacks, because they're mostly soy. (Soy is by far cheaper than any other protein).

Caveat is that you need a lot to raise estrogen levels. And to be honest, anything that raises testosterone a lot also will raise estrogen, because your body can't convert and metabolize it all.

If you're taking any hormone booster, you should also take with it a product called DIM, which lowers/balances estrogen levels.

 

[Old Man Mike]

As everyone reading this thread knows, modern agriculture uses a lot of estrogen mimicking chemicals to rapidly put on fat [ chickens especially, but it would work for any animal], and assaults on natural species' development and possible human health are part of what Wooly is concerned about here in the big picture --- and right on to that.

I heard a story of a guy who worked in a chicken slaughterhouse factory. As a "perk" for the job, he was allowed to take home anything that they weren't going to package for sale. Typically that reduced to things like chicken necks. Fortunately for him, he liked to fry up a bunch of chicken necks and ate them a lot. One morning he noticed in the mirror that he'd "grown a pair". Even had milk oozing from the nipples.

Sharp detective work traced his problem back to the slaughterhouse practice of injecting the chickens with synthetic estrogen a few days prior to killing, so as to put on some rapid money-producing poundage [ounceage?]. The whole of the injection could not dissipate by the time of slaughter, so our boy got the brunt of it.



On a more ominous note: space satellite detectors have detected a very large mass of estrogen-mimicking substances accumulating in Carlsbad, New Mexico. More news of these effects will doubtless appear on this site later.




And... the pun in the post below is so painful that any sane person would neg rep .... but I like Peoria so I'll restrain. I'll just say that when Lou Holtz was coach he tried to get Tom Hammond to marry Samantha Eggar. His theory was that resultant Hammond-Eggar children would be able to Break-Fast and make good receivers and DBs. Somehow this didn't work out.

 

[peoriairish]

Becoming a vegan is a big missed steak.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Different people react or respond to different types of eating habits. Below is an interesting perspective from a Endo.


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[ACamp1900]

Kudos to Wooly... I could never go full Vegan... My favorite worldly pleasure may very well be a good authentic carne asada burrito...

but I do need to lower the red meat intake... the wife and i are working on it and I always have a fairly successful garden considering I live on the edge of the Mojave Desert...

I guess I see it as finding that balance and being careful where you get any food products from... easier said than done when on a budget. That's what works here.

To each their own...

 

[BobD]

About 5 years ago this lady told me she was a vegan. I didn't know what the hell it was, I thought she was saying she was some sort of witch.

 

[Junkhead]

I can see going vegan for health, but as far as animal rights, no thanks. I'm about to grab the pellet gun and night vision to waste the critters destroying my back yard.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Kudos to Wooly... I could never go full Vegan... My favorite worldly pleasure may very well be a good authentic carne asada burrito...

but I do need to lower the red meat intake... the wife and i are working on it and I always have a fairly successful garden considering I live on the edge of the Mojave Desert...

I guess I see it as finding that balance and being careful where you get any food products from... easier said than done when on a budget. That's what works here.

To each their own...

You sir sound like a flexitarian. It's cool. Use it around your friends as it sounds sophisticated.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I can see going vegan for health, but as far as animal rights, no thanks. I'm about to grab the pellet gun and night vision to waste the critters destroying my back yard.

There's a big difference between hunting (which, I guess is sort of what you're doing) and factory farming.

 

[irishpat183]

There's a big difference between hunting (which, I guess is sort of what you're doing) and factory farming.

Gotta feed the masses somehow.....

 

[ND NYC]

buddy of mine is a trader on the COMEX (commodities exchange)...he told me a while ago that every time wheat futures increases by 5% that that means 10,000 people worldwide will die from starvation due to the increased downstream costs and them not being able to afford it.

has anyone (especially those with a family and mouths to feed) noticed how expensive food (in general) has gotten in the last decade?

we do our best to eat healthy but dang it can and will cost you and arm and a leg in order to do so. places like whole foods have great quality food...but if you shopping for a family of 6 (like my wife does) your leaving with an $800 bill.

 

[Old Man Mike]

NYC: completely true. The only way to anything like a sustainable food future [with health] is to get the vast majority of your food locally, unprocessed, and when possible with no middlemen. [ex. co-op arrangements].

For city dwellers this is basically impossible as the land is paved, the farms/gardens far away, the population so dense that no internally produced food resource even dents the mass need. There is no solution for this urban situation until you get down to much smaller population centers.

Kalamazoo is surrounded by good food growing areas and a wide variety of produce. We're still too big. Some can eat healthily and sustainably but not all here. And, of course, the vast majority don't ever give any of this a thought anyway.

My doomed-to-failure ecovillage project could [as designed] provide sustainable healthy food for about 100-150 people on about forty acres [which includes the housing, roads, etc]. If we ever had a collapse of huge proportions, such an "Ark" would do perfectly fine up until the starving zero-planning urbanites came out with their guns.

So even idealism will probably fail no matter how well designed, if the worst comes down. Hopefully enough people will make the "green sacrifice" in time and the rest of the population can ride the oil drainage out longer.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

we do our best to eat healthy but dang it can and will cost you and arm and a leg in order to do so. places like whole foods have great quality food...but if you shopping for a family of 6 (like my wife does) your leaving with an $800 bill.

This is very true. I spend a lot at Whole Foods but we are also fortunate to have a pretty awesome farmer's market here every weekend.

 

[fitz_bu47]

I hear you guys, Whole Foods is very expensive. If you have a Trader Joe's in your area I would check them out. They cut out the middle man, so you can get food the quality of whole foods for the price of a normal grocery store. I think we actually spend less at TJ's than we did at Hyvee. Also, like OMM said, I love farmers markets, etc for good local produce and meat sometimes.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Gotta feed the masses somehow.....

If that's your only goal (an admirable one), then we probably shouldn't eat any meat. Meat production is a much less efficient way (land, water, resources, etc.) to produce calories. Factory farming exists because people want a particular kind of food.

Not a judgment. Just true.

 

[goldandblue]

sorry guys, Meat is great.... I love me some Cow, Chicken, Turkey, etc....

and in regards to commercial farming, I like milk too. I have some close family friends that have a commercial farm in Illinois, and let me tell you, those Cows have it made.... They get fed multiiple times a day get to graze part of the day and on hot days, they are brought indoors under what they call BAFs (Big *** Fans) to enjoy the shade and cool breeze. I've never seen cows more babied.