'13 PA TE Adam Breneman (Penn State Verbal)

[koonja]

Eifert looked good in his limited playing time. He excelled in his first spring game. The coaches raved about him. Welch and Koyak haven't had any of those things. Welch in particular, isn't even that well suited body style for a pass-first TE.



I didn't say he is done with football, but he is one concussion away. That's what you aren't getting about Niklas. The next time he is carted off the field with a head injury, he's done. He had to have a real heart to heart with doctors, his family and the coaching staff to even come back this season. I really don't think you understand the severity of his concussion issues nor repetitive head injuries in general.



One of those spots is currently being held for a RB. Answer me this... If you had the choice, would you rather have a 3star RB or a #1 TE in Breneman? If you pick the latter, then what in the hell are you arguing with me about other than your inflated view of our current depth at TE? (which no one came to your defense for, btw)

Starting to wonder if this Koyak kid really has potential, lol.

 

[STLDomer]

“@BWISnyder: Adam Breneman and Christian Hackenberg will visit #PennState on Saturday. Brendan Mahon and Garrett Sickels may also join them #PSU”

Breneman is trying to get as many as he can to come up this weekend

 

[beryirish]

“@BWISnyder: Adam Breneman and Christian Hackenberg will visit #PennState on Saturday. Brendan Mahon and Garrett Sickels may also join them #PSU”

Breneman is trying to get as many as he can to come up this weekend

Maybe he wants to see where everyone is with their commitment. Pry trying to convince everyone to stay because he really wants to. If they say they will look elsewhere I'm sure he will do the same.

 

[yankeeND]

Maybe he wants to see where everyone is with their commitment. Pry trying to convince everyone to stay because he really wants to. If they say they will look elsewhere I'm sure he will do the same.

That makes sense to me. It's hard to be the only one sometimes so hearing where everyone else stands could help him make his decision. Tough situation for these kids.

 

[NDhoosier]

I didn't say he is done with football, but he is one concussion away. That's what you aren't getting about Niklas. The next time he is carted off the field with a head injury, he's done. He had to have a real heart to heart with doctors, his family and the coaching staff to even come back this season. I really don't think you understand the severity of his concussion issues nor repetitive head injuries in general.

Again, this can apply to every player in the league who gets a head injury. I get everything you are saying about Niklas, I was here too, I witnessed the whole concussion report just like you did. You cant just throw it out of the argument to support your side. If Wood gets hurt, our RB group will start to look a little thin. If Kap gets hurt, our DL will start to look a little thin. Your argument about injury is pointless because it applies to every position and player on the field.

One of those spots is currently being held for a RB. Answer me this... If you had the choice, would you rather have a 3star RB or a #1 TE in Breneman? If you pick the latter, then what in the hell are you arguing with me about other than your inflated view of our current depth at TE? (which no one came to your defense for, btw)

You like to say stuff like this, it says something about your character, you are looking for validity in what other people think but because you seem to care about it so much here:
Post 233 and on for a bit - http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/201...-fl-te-mike-heuerman-notre-dame-verbal-8.html
whiskeyjack in the Troy Niklas thread: "Niklas is too talented to keep off the field, but his most natural positions-- OT, ROLB, and TE-- are already stocked with talent." Post 479 - http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/201...-ot-troy-niklas-signed-notre-dame-loi-16.html

Do I really need to continue this useless garbage about others on this board thinking the TE position is stacked?

As for your question, I would take 4* RB over a 5* TE right now (Folston) Besides, depending on who the 3* is and how much potential I think he has, I may answer the 3*. However, you are really using two positions that we can do without (now that we have Heuerman). If you are really that concerned about numbers at the TE position, dont forget about Mattingly and Matsuka.

Look, Ill let the staff and recruiting process play out, obviously, but a 2nd TE is a luxury at this point. I may start agreeing with you if we land some DBs and another DL/CAT player, then it will simply be best come, best serve.

 

[Irish YJ]

IMO, TE is no where near stacked at this moment. It may have looked stacked last year, but certainly not now.

1) one stud with one year left
2) one likely stud with serious concussion concerns moving from another position.
3) 2 unproven guys who have potential, but have not knocked anyone's socks off in game or practice performance.
4) No TE taken last year 12
5) One true TE taken this year so far 13

 

[woolybug25]

Again, this can apply to every player in the league who gets a head injury. I get everything you are saying about Niklas, I was here too, I witnessed the whole concussion report just like you did. You cant just throw it out of the argument to support your side. If Wood gets hurt, our RB group will start to look a little thin. If Kap gets hurt, our DL will start to look a little thin. Your argument about injury is pointless because it applies to every position and player on the field.

If Cierre gets a concussion, he'll sit out a week or two. If Niklas gets one, his career is over. How is that a fair comparison? Furthermore, if Wood got hurt, we would still have a ton of great RB's. If Eifert get's hurt this year, we don't have a proven guy behind him. He is leaving after this year and have a group of unproven guys and a blue chip freshman. That is not what any rational person would classify as "stacked".

You like to say stuff like this, it says something about your character, you are looking for validity in what other people think but because you seem to care about it so much here:
Post 233 and on for a bit - http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/201...-fl-te-mike-heuerman-notre-dame-verbal-8.html
whiskeyjack in the Troy Niklas thread: "Niklas is too talented to keep off the field, but his most natural positions-- OT, ROLB, and TE-- are already stocked with talent." Post 479 - http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/201...-ot-troy-niklas-signed-notre-dame-loi-16.html

haha... it says something about my "character". It's the interwebs dude, get real. No reason to say I have poor character because no one agrees with you. I know you don't like me and blah, blah, blah. But get over it. That was dumb as hell to say.

I said it because no one is agreeing with you, but you cant stand the fact that you are wrong about this and I of all people is right. Whiskey said that we were "stocked with talent", did you read that as "stacked", because I don't see where he said that we loaded with talent. He was saying that we have a lot of TE's, which is true, but we are losing Eifert and didn't take one last class. Hence Kelly wanting two TE's in this class. He even said that despite the depth, Niklas should be in the two-deep. What does that say that a guy one hit away from never playing again and a guy that is leaving this year say about our depth in future years? You do realize that Breneman and Huerman aren't going to play on this year's team right? Because that is what Whiskey is talking about in his post.

But maybe he'll chime in and tell you himself.

Do I really need to continue this useless garbage about others on this board thinking the TE position is stacked?

As for your question, I would take 4* RB over a 5* TE right now (Folston) Besides, depending on who the 3* is and how much potential I think he has, I may answer the 3*. However, you are really using two positions that we can do without (now that we have Heuerman). If you are really that concerned about numbers at the TE position, dont forget about Mattingly and Matsuka.

Look, Ill let the staff and recruiting process play out, obviously, but a 2nd TE is a luxury at this point. I may start agreeing with you if we land some DBs and another DL/CAT player, then it will simply be best come, best serve.

I addressed Matuska and Mattingly, which you would know if you actually read my post before your frantic, unthought out, mouth breathing responses.

You're argument for RB is silly when you consider we have more depth at that position than TE. We usually only run plays with one back, but we want to run a lot of 2 TE sets. I never said that I would take Breneman over guys like Muhammad or Sherit, I just said that I think it's a good move to take the #1 TE over a 3star RB that may never play. Especially since after this season, we may not have a single proven, dominant TE on our roster.

 

[BGIF]

Eifert saw very little time as well when he was younger, gee, I wonder why... because there was a guy named Rudolph in front of him. hmmm, pretty similar cases here as well. I guess Eifert isnt very good either... oh wait

...

You don't have to wonder why. He had a serious back injury.

He injured his back in HS which greatly restricted his lifting and development. He had the reputation in HS as a flex TE with a 8" - 10" height advantage over HS DBs but lacked the strength, bulk, and technique as a Div 1 freshman. It was all discussed here during his freshman season.

He played in the ND opener against Nevada and didn't play again because of his back being reinjured. He and his family consulted with ND medical staff and with their own physicians. They chose not to pursue surgery. The technique they did try didn't work out and he did not play again as freshman. There was concern that his injury was career ending.

He rehabbed his back and played as a sopomore but he sat behind Rudolph for the first 4 games (1 catch against Michigan) until Rudolph went out with the hamstring problem. Eifert struggled with blocking with made the most of his time on the field catching 27 passes as he started the final 7 games with Rudolph lost for the season. There was concern about his durability because of the back history but he did fine. Had Rudolph not been injured Eifert would have remained a sparsely used TE because of Rudolph's superior development and blocking skills AND because Kelly was running a lot of TE sets in '10.


ND TE's Since The Class of '05 (Rivals Rankings)

'12 NONE (hence Niklas conversion to TE)

'11 Ben Koyack , #7 TE had 1 catch for 5 yds as a freshman in 12 games. HAS POTENTIAL

'11 Troy Niklas , #24 OT converted to LB converted to TE. Career Stats: 20 Tackles, 2 QB Hurries. History of toughness and concussions.

'10 Alex Welch , #12 TE DNP as Frosh, 1 catch as Soph. 1 career catch.

'10 Bruce Heggie Unranked TE. No longer at TE.

'09 Eifert , #24 TE who overcame adversity and blossomed as a sophomore. Had 63 of the TEAM's 66 TE catches in '11.

'09 Jake Golic Unranked TE, has played sparingly. No catches.

'08 Kyle Rudolph was a , #1TE who was AA despite hamstring problems. Left early

'08 Joe Fauria , #7 TE who ran afoul of RES/LIFE and transferred rather than comply.

'07 Mike Ragone , #3 TE who had chronic knee problems and 11 career catches.

'06 Will Yeatman came to ND on a LAX scholarship and played football. , #39 TE. Had no receptions as frosh and 6 as a soph. DUI in Jan '08. Started first 3 games of '08 had another drinking arrest missed the rest of the season and transferred rather than face ResLife suspension.

'06 Konrad Reuland , #3 TE who got passed by underclassmen and transferred.

'05 Joey Hibenn , #9 TE who quite ND football then later transferred to Minnesota.

 

[95NDAlumNM]

So I just read an article from Keith Arnold over at NBC sports that Niklas did not have a concussion this spring and that they now think it is some form of ocular migraine headache. This is the first I have heard of this. Until now I thought this was a concussion but that he was cleared to return to practice. I wonder if Niklas really does not have a history of concussions but rather this weird migraine headache situation.

Counting down the Irish: 20-16 | Inside the Irish

 

[FLDomer]

So I just read an article from Keith Arnold over at NBC sports that Niklas did not have a concussion this spring and that they now think it is some form of ocular migraine headache. This is the first I have heard of this. Until now I thought this was a concussion but that he was cleared to return to practice. I wonder if Niklas really does not have a history of concussions but rather this weird migraine headache situation.

Counting down the Irish: 20-16 | Inside the Irish

maybe he has a case of the Percy Harvins....I kid I kid (niklas is in no way a douche.... like harvin)

 

[NDhoosier]

I said it because no one is agreeing with you, but you cant stand the fact that you are wrong about this and I of all people is right. Whiskey said that we were "stocked with talent", did you read that as "stacked", because I don't see where he said that we loaded with talent.

lol he said "stocked with talent." I am unsure how you can interpret other than lots of talent. if you are going argue over stocked and stacked, then you are hopeless. You also forgot to address the entire other link I gave you where multiple people said the same thing.

Arguing with you seems to be pointless and has come down to debating what "stocked" means. I gave you plenty of evidence, there are plenty of people on this board that believe we are fine at the TE position. If he said stocked with TEs, then you would have a point, but he said stocked with "talent."

Stocked:
Synonyms
1. store, provision, reserve.

Inserting the words for you in the sentence
'Store' of talent
'Provision' of talent
'Reserve' of talent

Sounds like we have plenty of talent at the TE position behind Eifert.

Seriously, this is facepalm material. We are absolutely fine at the TE position with Heuerman's commitment. However, if somehow Breneman comes to ND, dont come back here like a pompous *** and bring this back up... Ill glady take Breneman, but I personally think we should go after others first (DBs, CAT, WR, DL), which others in this forum have stated themselves because a TE is not a need at this point, but a luxury.

EDIT: From our friend Keith Arnold: Counting down the Irish: 20-16 | Inside the Irish

17. Troy Niklas (TE, So.) After a promising freshman season saw Niklas contribute at outside linebacker and occasionally along the defensive line, head coach Brian Kelly made probably the most ambitious personnel move in his tenure by switching the 6-foot-7, 252-pound sophomore to tight end, where he’ll add another intriguing athlete to a position group that’s awfully talented. Early reports on Niklas have all been mighty impressive, yet the one big question mark is his health. Niklas missed a few spring practices after what was thought to be a concussion. But after being checked by a specialist in Southern California, there’s confidence that those concussions might be a form of ocular migraine headaches, somewhat of a relief. Limitations in the spring mean Niklas will need to take advantage of fall camp if he’s going to be the weapon many believe he’ll be.

 

[woolybug25]

Dude. You are the only one that is agreeing with yourself and you keep using the same worn out argument. Save your time and energy, because I really don't care about how you feel about the situation.


I'm sure that "says something about my character" as well.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

We definitely aren't thin at tight end. I'd say we are close to stacked.

 

[woolybug25]

We definitely aren't thin at tight end. I'd say we are close to stacked.

So if Eifert goes out. Are we elite at TE?

 

[ndfi78]

Sorry wooly, I agree with NDhoosier. TE is not a position of need IMO and I'd rather have a 4* RB then Breneman. I just keep flashing back to Aldridge and his knee injury.

 

[irishfanjho15]

So if Eifert goes out. Are we elite at TE?

That's a big fat NO.

I would equate stacked at TE as having at least two proven clear cut studs at TE with serviceable back-ups. Aside from Eifert, we do not have such a player.

This is especially true in regards to running dual TE sets, as it seems Kelly would like to run more of.

 

[woolybug25]

Sorry wooly, I agree with NDhoosier. TE is not a position of need IMO and I'd rather have a 4* RB then Breneman. I just keep flashing back to Aldridge and his knee injury.

To each their own, but 2 things:

1) What 4* RB are you speaking of? We don't lead for any.

2) Going forward, we should expect more sets with 2 TE's and 1 RB. We have lots of RB's like Wood, Riddick, GAII, Carlisle, Toma, Russel, Mahone, and a couple more as well. But at TE, after Eifert, we really don't have much.

btw, i'll be happy to discuss this with you, just not Hoosier. Because at least we can have a respectful, rational discussion, regardless if we agree.

 

[Buster Bluth]

To each their own, but 2 things:

1) What 4* RB are you speaking of? We don't lead for any.

2) Going forward, we should expect more sets with 2 TE's and 1 RB. We have lots of RB's like Wood, Riddick, GAII, Carlisle, Toma, Russel, Mahone, and a couple more as well. But at TE, after Eifert, we really don't have much.

btw, i'll be happy to discuss this with you, just not Hoosier. Because at least we can have a respectful, rational discussion, regardless if we agree.

I mean I agreed with what you said and then you went on the "we have lots of RB's..." and those guys aren't proven either.

In fact, no one is proven until they get on the field. That's just the way it is, as you've said on this thread.

I still feel pretty good about having potential--errrr, Koyack, and Welch with Heuerman being groomed and Niklas as a bonus. A supreme bonus.

I wouldn't say that ND's TE corp is "elite," because it's unproven and thus it's just stupid to say something like that. But as far as grading potential--a foolish business--you could say that it's a corp that is as promising as anyone's. And while the corp (sans Eifert) may not be elite, it is in a position that if you added a second TE to this class, he sure as hell better be a stud because the depth isn't slim.

 

[woolybug25]

I mean I agreed with what you said and then you went on the "we have lots of RB's..." and those guys aren't proven either.

In fact, no one is proven until they get on the field. That's just the way it is, as you've said on this thread.

I still feel pretty good about having potential--errrr, Koyack, and Welch with Heuerman being groomed and Niklas as a bonus. A supreme bonus.

Wood, Toma, GAII, Riddick and Carlisle haven't proven themselves on a college level? We only need one RB, but we need two TE's.

 

[Zwidmanio]

Wood, Toma, GAII, Riddick and Carlisle haven't proven themselves on a college level? We only need one RB, but we need two TE's.

I agree with your take on this debate, but are we really going to throw Toma in as a RB now? The other four, absolutely. I would consider Riddick and Carlisle, although having played the slot and possibly projecting as a slot respectively, as hybrids but are suited at RB. GAII and Wood are RBs all the way. Toma...I would consider him a slot that happened to take a few hand offs during spring practice and might get a few end-arounds or reverses called for him this upcoming season.

Aside from that, as I said, I agree with most of your points. Welch, Koyack, and Niklas certainly have potential to do big things, but I wouldn't say any of them are as proven as Riddick, GAII, or perhaps even Carlisle (haven't really kept tabs at what he did at USC last year)

 

[BeauBenken]

So if Eifert goes out. Are we elite at TE?

Of course not. What team loses the best TE in the nation and then remains elite?

We aren't ****ed though.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Of course not. What team loses the best TE in the nation and then remains elite?

We aren't ****ed though.

I do not think this is unique to amy team in cfb. Who thought we would be elite if rudy went down in2010? I did not but tyler stepped up. Just because we dont have a te ready to step in with tons of playing time under the belt doesnt mean we are toast. I would argue that we would be no different than what bama is thinking about rb thus year. Trich is no replaceable, but they will still have an awesome running attack.

 

[jimmymac]

If you can, you take this kid. Shouldn't even be a discussion. ACLs are not a death sentence, even tho it hasn't worked out great for a few former ND players. This kid is incredibly talented, and TE is a position always in need.

 

[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

If you can, you take this kid. Shouldn't even be a discussion. ACLs are not a death sentence, even tho it hasn't worked out great for a few former ND players. This kid is incredibly talented, and TE is a position always in need.

Well said Sir. I would take him. The last tight end from Penn State who got drafted in the early rounds was Kyle Brady who went to CC.

 

[ab2cmiller]

After watching this video interview posted today, there is zero chance that Adam is going to decommit. He's basically gone on record saying that even if Hackenberg decommits, he is still staying.

While I would say he may be a bit delusional, you have to respect a guy who feels such a strong commitment regardless of what others think or do.

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[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

I work for Adams personal trainer and he told me that Adam will stay with Penn State.

 

[tadman95]

I appreciate his loyalty and devotion but that's just a point I wouldn't want to prove. It's going to be a long 3-4 years.

 

[elboricua]

I think it's very smart of him to stay there. He will be the centerpiece of the offense there and most likely learn an NFL offense with good coaching. Even Charlie Weis' staff coached up the TEs well. The system definitely benefited them as well. It will for Breneman too. I always think it's so ridiculous when ND fans get on a kid for going to a team that will win less games or has less prestige than ND. That is exactly the kind of poor reasoning that SEC teams' fans use most likely when a kid chooses ND over Bama for example. Winning a lot of games in college ain't going to get you a good education or even good preparation for the NFL. It could be that in winning lots of games you are also being prepared for the NFL.(see Bama's secondary) or it could be that you are just in a really good system and surrounded by a lot of talent but despite your teams wins you are being prepared very poorly for the NFL.(see the University of Oregon) Point is, I wish ND fans would stop using this kind of reasoning. It's poor. That's a lot of use of the word poor. Also, I think it would be foolish of ND to take Adam, despite his being an excellent player. Think about what ND has in this class. By my account they have 4 players who are TE candidates. Heuerman, Matuska, Mattingly, and Robinson. The offense under Martin, if successful, particularly in its deployment of TEs, will change the future of NDs recruiting. If Eifert is highly successful out there, then guys like Robinson(this is my hope) might get groomed to play out there. We don't know if Mattingly is a better TE or OLB or even DE if he grows. But I'm sure the staff will give him a look. Matuska was recruited by Oklahoma as a TE I believe. He may be better than we think as a TE. But the big x-factor is we simply don't know how big Robinson is going to be. We should hope he gets huge because he could fit early on into Eifert's role but just play in-line less.

 

[Crimson streak]

I work for Adams personal trainer and he told me that Adam will stay with Penn State.

Just curious but where do you live? I live in Hershey so I figure we're pretty close to each other

 

[Grahambo]

Giving a shout out for this:

Bruce Feldman ‏@BFeldmanCBS

MT @OnwardState Blue-chip Penn State TE commit @AdamBreneman81 has raised over $100,000 for ALS research: Breneman's #CatchTheCure Raises Over $100,000 Against A.L.S - Onward State