'13 FL WR Jordan Cunningham (Offer)

[Buster Bluth]

Miami has actually done a fine job of graduating players lately too. And it's a very good school. #38 is very good.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Cue WhiskeyJack with the ROI.

Miami is a respectable #38 in the US News rankings.

National University Rankings | Top National Universities | US News Best Colleges

Miami ranks 246th in (non-football) ROI. Did I mention that the US News ranking is a joke?

I didnt say it was a great school, but a good school. #38 is really not to shabby when you think how many universities are out there. Also out of the schools in Florida I believe they are the best (UF might be close).

UF's ROI is 33% higher than Miami's.

If my kids wanted to go to UM I would be happier with that than any of the others in FL.

Miami's poor ROI ranking has much to do with its cost. Net Cost to Graduate, which includes average scholarship aid, is $116,500. UF's is roughly 1/3 of that, at $44,770.

For your own sake, I hope your kids don't want to go to Miami.

 

[FLDomer]

Miami's poor ROI ranking has much to do with its cost. Net Cost to Graduate, which includes average scholarship aid, is $116,500. UF's is roughly 1/3 of that, at $44,770.

For your own sake, I hope your kids don't want to go to Miami.

For my sake I hope they dont want to go to Miami either, or ND unless there is some serious scholly money.

Not being difficult, the ROI seems skewed in UFs favor do to the lower cost (roughly 19k annual for UF as to roughly 35k UM) and does actual student population have anything to do, meaning, does the large number of graduates from UF over Miami effect the numbers? That 33% gap sees big if you compare apples to apples but these dont seem to both be apples.

Also and I love you Whiskey (no homo), but does ROI (Return On Investment) make that big of a deal to kids that arent investing a penny of their, their parents, or loan money in going to school. IMO it makes great sense but in the majority of young men ROI will play a minor role in their choice.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

For my sake I hope they dont want to go to Miami either, or ND unless there is some serious scholly money.

They'd be better off attending ND 100% on loans than most other places.

Not being difficult, could the ROI be skewed in UFs favor do to the lower cost (roughly 19k annual for UF as to roughly 35k UM)

Yes. Net Cost to Graduate gets subtracted from the 30-year Return, so schools that cost less have an advantage. In this case, UF's and Miami's 30-year Return and graduation rates are nearly identical. The main difference is that it costs 3x as much to graduate from Miami as it does from UF.

Does actual student population have anything to do, meaning, does the large number of graduates from UF over Miami effect the numbers?

There are no direct factors that account for school size in the ranking, but smaller schools, which are usually more selective, tend to do better. That should work in Miami's favor here, which is yet another red flag for the 'Canes.

Also and I love you Whiskey (no homo), but does ROI (Return On Investment) make that big of a deal to kids that arent investing a penny of their, their parents, or loan money in going to school. IMO it makes great sense but in the majority of young men ROI will play a minor role in their choice.

Are we talking about scholarship athletes here, or just the average idiot 17-year-old? I agree that most high school kids don't consider college degrees as an investment in future earning potential, but they should. They don't come cheap, even for athletes, and the vast majority of undergraduate degrees are really terrible investments. The world will be a better place when high school students and their parents become smarter consumers of higher education.

 

[FLDomer]

They'd be better off attending ND 100% on loans than most other places.


Yes. Net Cost to Graduate gets subtracted from the 30-year Return, so schools that cost less have an advantage. In this case, UF's and Miami's 30-year Return and graduation rates are nearly identical. The main difference is that it costs 3x as much to graduate from Miami as it does from UF.



There are no direct factors that account for school size in the ranking, but smaller schools, which are usually more selective, tend to do better. That should work in Miami's favor here, which is yet another red flag for the 'Canes.

Thanks for the info Whiskey. I never argued ND wasnt better...com'on

Living here I know UF is very selective in who actually gets admitted, this must help.

My arguement for Rtrn2glry was, more towards the fact the the actual University of Miami is not as bad as the Football team would lead a lot of people to believe and that it is a good/decent school. Probably within the top 10 of academics for schools to offer Jordan.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

My arguement for Rtrn2glry was, more towards the fact the the actual University of Miami is not as bad as the Football team would lead a lot of people to believe and that it is a good/decent school.

That's true. Miami's GSR numbers are strong, and since scholarship athletes don't have to pay that exorbitant tuition, Miami's a better choice than most for prospective recruits. They rank 20th out of 71 in AA Football ROI.

Probably within the top 10 of academics for schools to offer Jordan.

They're actually 11th in AA Football ROI out of his current offer list, which is a testament to Jordan's scholastic achievements. The kid's got offers from virtually every school at the top of the ROI chart.

Jordan is exactly the type of kid I created this ranking for; Stanford and ND are essentially offering to pay him 3x what Miami is for his services as a football player. Unless there's some compelling family situation that will keep him at home, he'd be silly not to take the higher pay.

 

[FLDomer]

That's true. Miami's GSR numbers are strong, and since scholarship athletes don't have to pay that exorbitant tuition, Miami's a better choice than most for prospective recruits. They rank 20th out of 71 in AA Football ROI.



They're actually 11th in AA Football ROI out of his current offer list, which is a testament to Jordan's scholastic achievements. The kid's got offers from virtually every school at the top of the ROI chart.

Jordan is exactly the type of kid I created this ranking for; Stanford and ND are essentially offering to pay him 3x what Miami is for his services as a football player. Unless there's some compelling family situation that will keep him at home, he'd be silly not to take the higher pay.

Ok ok I'm an idiot and you are right for the average student ND is much greater than Miami buuuut when it comes to putting guys into the NFL......

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Ok ok I'm an idiot and you are right for the average student ND is much greater than Miami buuuut when it comes to putting guys into the NFL......

That's true, I guess. Miami currently has 62 players in the NFL, compared to ND's 33. Nevin Shapiro wasn't doling out boats and hoes to no effect. Though that's also why Miami is going to get curb-stomped by the NCAA's Committee on Infractions.

Even if you weigh draft success against degree value, ND and Stanford offer way more value than your average football factory.

 

[NDhoosier]

so, I guess there is no news on Cunningham....

 

[NDPhilly]

Still in his top 5 along with Stanford, UF, Miami, and Alabama

 

[peoriairish]

Still in his top 5 along with Stanford, UF, Miami, and Alabama

It's good to see Stanford still in there too. I suppose it means that academics just isn't lip service.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

It's good to see Stanford still in there too. I suppose it means that academics just isn't lip service.

Double-edged sword. Anytime a recruit has ND and Stanford in his top schools, we're usually in it until the end. But Stanford is arguably our most formidable recruiting rival.

 

[Irish#1]

Double-edged sword. Anytime a recruit has ND and Stanford in his top schools, we're usually in it until the end. But Stanford is arguably our most formidable recruiting rival.

Thank goodness Luck is graduating. Otherwise the kid might like the idea of catching passes from him.

 

[peoriairish]

Double-edged sword. Anytime a recruit has ND and Stanford in his top schools, we're usually in it until the end. But Stanford is arguably our most formidable recruiting rival.

Right. But I'd rather it be in the running then not at all, just being another hat on the table.

Thank goodness Luck is graduating. Otherwise the kid might like the idea of catching passes from him.

And this is why we need to win with a decent QB. One that plays the whole season and has the confidence of BK. This will make the high WRs want to come to ND.

 

[NDhoosier]

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Join us at Notre Dame @Jordan_C6

 

[BeauBenken]

This kid's rankings are all over the place. You can tell he's a player though. Just check out his offer list.

247: #62 WR
Rivals: #21 WR
ESPN: #6 WR
Scout: #55 WR

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Pretty impressive video.. Shows great hands and leaping ability. Seems to be able to get past defenders on routes but also noticed a lot of poor CB play. Didn't see much in terms of YAC.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Per 247, Miami and Stanford lead. ND and Alabama will get their chance.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

Per 247, Miami and Stanford lead. ND and Alabama will get their chance.

Get him on campus and anything is possible.

 

[Grahambo]

ISD premium saying we are in his Top 6 I believe. From Twitter and can't post due to phone.

 

[TheChosen1]

ISD premium saying we are in his Top 6 I believe. From Twitter and can't post due to phone.

Irish Sports Daily‏@ISDUpdate

2013 FL WR Jordan Cunningham (@Jordan_C6) has six schools on top (Premium) http://www.irishsportsdaily.com/rec...-recruiting/7455-six-on-top-for-wr-cunningham #NotreDame #Stanford #TheU #Bama #OkSt #FSU

 

[rtrn2glory]

definitely lean right since we're listed first

 

[DomeLover3]

Boy would he be great to finish WR with in this class.

 

[NDhoosier]

Would love to add this kid and have a solid WR class in for next year (which would allow Fuller to go where he is needed depending on who else we get and what happens these next couple seasons).

Any of the insiders/important people have anything to add to this recent development? Is there a school or two out in front?

 

[clashmore_mike]

Didn't really say who was out front other than Miami has been a favorite of his for a long time due to how close it is. Likes Alford and says ND and Stanford coaches are similar in that they all seem the most genuine in what they are telling him. Will visit Miami again but the rest of the schools he plans on taking officials to before he decides. Will be looking at the number of WR on the team, how productive they are, and how the teams do this year.

 

[Grahambo]

Didn't really say who was out front other than Miami has been a favorite of his for a long time due to how close it is. Likes Alford and says ND and Stanford coaches are similar in that they all seem the most genuine in what they are telling him. Will visit Miami again but the rest of the schools he plans on taking officials to before he decides. Will be looking at the number of WR on the team, how productive they are, and how the teams do this year.

So, what you're saying is winning will get top recruits? A noble concept.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Didn't really say who was out front other than Miami has been a favorite of his for a long time due to how close it is. Likes Alford and says ND and Stanford coaches are similar in that they all seem the most genuine in what they are telling him. Will visit Miami again but the rest of the schools he plans on taking officials to before he decides. Will be looking at the number of WR on the team, how productive they are, and how the teams do this year.

So you are saying that the game in Chicago is a must win?

 

[clashmore_mike]

I said neither of those things. Negs to both of you for putting words in my mouth.

 

[connor_in]

I said neither of those things. Negs to both of you for putting words in my mouth.

So, what you are saying is exactly what you typed in the original post the other guys responded to by typing in "So what you are saying is..."

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I said neither of those things. Negs to both of you for putting words in my mouth.

LMFAO