'13 PA ATH Alex Anzalone (Florida Early Enrollee)

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GREAT point. I have been wondering throughout this process why he is so focused on getting an MBA in the shortest amount of time possible. How does he know he even needs one? If you are missing something then I am missing it too.

Maybe someone will show me otherwise, but if it is simply an MBA from Smeal College of Business, than I would rather have a Bachelors from the Mendoza College of Business.

Just my $.02 though.
 

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So when you graduate from this program, is your degree simply a MBA from the Smeal college of business?

If so, that's not that great of an accomplishment. They may only admit 12 kids for the BS/MBA program, but if the degree ends up being nothing more than an MBA from PSU, then it's really not that big of a deal.

Am I missing something?

In most cases once you finish the undergrad requirements you are awarded the BS, so once you finish the entire program you get both the BS and MBA.

At Valpo Univ (like a few other schools) we have a MBA/JD program 4 year program, so once you finish the JD (3 years)you go right on to the MBA upon completion you are awarded both. I did the normal MBA and that was 2 years. The difference is the JD/MBA is more focused on the law and gives you a basic understanding of business, whereas the “normal” MBA gets more in-depth i.e. more finance, accounting, and stats.
 

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What's the program called. I cannot find any mention of it on their website. Smeal College of Business MBA programs all admit over a hundred kids a year, none of which even consider high school seniors.

You can't find anything on it because it's a closely kept secret, much like the "Double Secret Probation" that can befall a fraternity.
 

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Maybe someone will show me otherwise, but if it is simply an MBA from Smeal College of Business, than I would rather have a Bachelors from the Mendoza College of Business.

Just my $.02 though.

This x 1000. Alex would be far better off getting an undergraduate from Mendoza, working for a few years, and then going back for his MBA at an elite business school instead of going straight for an MBA from PSU.
 

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Maybe someone will show me otherwise, but if it is simply an MBA from Smeal College of Business, than I would rather have a Bachelors from the Mendoza College of Business.

Just my $.02 though.

Exactly. A 5-year Bachelors/MBA program makes a lot of sense if the bachelors is in a non-business field (like engineering). But as a high school senior why do you want to get an undergraduate business education AND a graduate business education? You won't need both for some jobs/careers. Makes no sense. Get the bachelors from ND's business school, join a NATIONAL alumni network, and then get an MBA if you want/need to. What's the rush?
 

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Exactly. A 5-year Bachelors/MBA program makes a lot of sense if the bachelors is in a non-business field (like engineering). But as a high school senior why do you want to get an undergraduate business education AND a graduate business education? You won't need both for some jobs/careers. Makes no sense. Get the bachelors from ND's business school, join a NATIONAL alumni network, and then get an MBA if you want/need to. What's the rush?

Plus, Mendoza is the #1 Business undergrad in the country. If the NFL didn't work out and he wanted to go get his masters, he would be on a much better footing to get into a great MBA program. Smeal ranks 44th in the country for MBA programs (ND is #25). If he really wanted to get into a great MBA program, PSU isn't it.

Get a Bachelor's from the #1 business school at ND, then if the NFL doesn't call, get your MBA at a school like Harvard or Yale. MBA's are grossly overestimated in corporate America. Most people in my industry (banking) go back to school after a few years in the industry. Once they get promoted a few times, then they will go back an get an executive MBA.

He really should talk to someone independent from both of the schools if this holds as much importance to him as people are trying to make it out to be.
 

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It seems as the MBA thing is pretty important to Alex. Some speculated that's part of the reason he initially chose pOSU. If I recall, I thought I read that pOSU could get him a shot at completing his MBA within 4 years of him showing up on campus since they were giving him so many credits for his AP course work etc.
 

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It's my personal opinion that in order for an MBA to be worth anything, it needs to be supplemented with 3-5 years of experience in your industry of choice.

From experience, it's hard to really relate or express insights that the studies are supposed to be bringing you without work experience. In the MSA we took MBA courses with the MBA guys and I was completely under-qualified to give well-reasoned responses or really get much out of the classes except for some stats/financial knowledge. A 5th year MBA isn't looked upon by companies as all that much better than a bachelors (also from my experience in talking with people about getting one right out of college - I decided to wait).

BS in science... if he wants to be a doctor he should be asking to do PSU's 6 year MD program. That is worth it. It's highly respectable. I had a friend that got into it in highschool and has had a wonderful (though hard) time. If he wants to be in business his undergrad and graduate degrees will be pretty worthless straight out of college...

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Plus, Mendoza is the #1 Business undergrad in the country. If the NFL didn't work out and he wanted to go get his masters, he would be on a much better footing to get into a great MBA program. Smeal ranks 44th in the country for MBA programs (ND is #25). If he really wanted to get into a great MBA program, PSU isn't it.

Get a Bachelor's from the #1 business school at ND, then if the NFL doesn't call, get your MBA at a school like Harvard or Yale. MBA's are grossly overestimated in corporate America. Most people in my industry (banking) go back to school after a few years in the industry. Once they get promoted a few times, then they will go back an get an executive MBA.

He really should talk to someone independent from both of the schools if this holds as much importance to him as people are trying to make it out to be.

I agree with you.

IMO Here's what's happening. It used to be that getting a bachelors got you a head start against your competition which are those who decided to go straight into working or get a two year degree instead of going to college first. Now a days, the number of people with bachelor degrees has exploded and it doesn't give you an advanatge against the competition. People then decided they needed a Master's to get a competitive advantage. Because of the proliferation of schools offering relatively easy ways to get a Masters these days, people have decided to take that route and there you go, we're right back where we were before.

There's no doubt that a Master's from a prestigous school will still get you an advantage, but most of these degrees are coming from taking online courses or meeting with an instructor once a week or month.
 
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I'd take a BS in Business at Notre Dame and an MBA at Penn and call it a career any day though. That'd be unreal.
 

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According to one publication, no?

Mendoza is a f*cking fantastic school, but the splitting hairs is useless.

Splitting hairs with what? Are you comparing it to PSU?

There is no hair to be split in that scenario. Notre Dame's business undergrad blows PSU out of the water.
 
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You can't find anything on it because it's a closely kept secret, much like the "Double Secret Probation" that can befall a fraternity.

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Splitting hairs with what? Are you comparing it to PSU?

There is no hair to be split in that scenario. Notre Dame's business undergrad blows PSU out of the water.

Oh, come on Donny, they were threatening castration! Are we gonna split hairs here? Am I wrong?
 

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Splitting hairs with what? Are you comparing it to PSU?

There is no hair to be split in that scenario. Notre Dame's business undergrad blows PSU out of the water.

It's funny because, as I've mentioned many times on here, my little brother is a business major at Penn State.... so I called him up to ask him about this BS/MBA program. Apparently, according to him, it's pretty legit. Butttttttttt....

He next asked me why I cared and I said a recruit was considering doing business at ND or PSU. He then said, and I quote, and remember he's a business major at Penn State with a lot of school pride:

You would have to be a f*cking moron to go to Penn State over ND for business school. Seriously. You'd have to be bat sh*t crazy or high off your *** to not go to ND if all you care about is the business school. No matter what program you want to do here, ND offers something comparable or better.

Then after I said I was surprised at how harsh he was towards his school he said....

Listen, I love Penn State. It's a good school, you know that, whatever. But I literally know a business major who graduated last spring and ended working as a cashier at the ABC. I kid you not. He rung up my tequila over winter break. It was awkward as f*ck. How many of your college friends are working as cashiers? All things being equal, I bet just about everyone here would rather stamp ND on their diploma than Penn State when they finish up. Just like how you'd rather stamp Stanford on your degree than ND. I'm just being real.

Which I thought made a good point.... you can certainly get a really good education at Penn State. It's a top 50ish school. That's really good. We have more Penn State engineers at my current firm than any other. And a lot of them are a lot better than me at structural engineering. But a business degree from ND = a really good job/career in that field. Getting an average degree from an average business school when you can get a better degree from a much better business school just doesn't make sense.

And finally he left me with this nugget....

Also let's be serious... if you play freshman year, you're not going to complete the program anyways. At least not while on scholarship... or if you go to the NFL... just doesn't make sense.

So, bottom line is Alex is a smart kid. He has smart parents. Chances are, he makes the smart decision. If he cares about stuff besides the business school though, like being 3+ hours from home instead of ~10 hours from home... or he wants a big party-school feel and not the ND-school feel... he'd be totally justified picking Penn State. It's not like Penn State is "bad" by any stretch of the imagination and you can definitely get a good education with a solid degree there. With how thoughtful Alex is being after his decommit from OSU, I think whatever decision he makes will be well-reasoned and the best one for him. So good luck to him.

My 2 cents....

PS. My brother uses quite colorful, fratty college language.
 

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I totally agree, Alex decommited because he took a picture with a sex offender, PSU actually had a staff member that is now a sex offender. What would worry me as a parent and Alex is, who else that hasn't come forward knew about it and did nothing about it. You can't tell me everyone has came forward that knew about the situation and did nothing about it, wouldn't that be as eary as just taking a picture with someone. To know that there are members of the faculty and possibly members related to the football team that had knowledge but did nothing. Now obviously no one really knows who knew about the whole Sandusky thing, but isn't that enough to stray you away from PSU, it's not as if this happened 10 years ago, this trial just ended. I'm sure there are still a lot of loose ends there at PSU related to the Sandusky trial that still have not been ironed out yet, who knows if this child abuse stops at Sandusky at PSU.

On top of that we are receiving a lot of verbal&#146;s from some excellent talent around the country, don't you want to be on a team with a bunch of highly talented players? It's from my understanding we're at least on average between the numerous recruiting websites, a top 7 team in recruiting right now. I don't follow PSU recruiting, but I don't think there in the same boat as we are right now.

Eh I don't think that's the only reason he decomitted. He said something just wasn't right about the visit. I don't like that people say that's the only reason he isn't an osu commit right now.
 
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Splitting hairs with what? Are you comparing it to PSU?

There is no hair to be split in that scenario. Notre Dame's business undergrad blows PSU out of the water.

Splitting hairs between the other elites business schools. I probably does blow Penn State's out of the water, I would at least hope so.

I simply think throwing around the "#1" is a bit disingenuous because different publications rank the schools differently. Bloomberg's Businessweek regards Notre Dame as the best school in the country for a business undergrad.
 

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Splitting hairs between the other elites business schools. I probably does blow Penn State's out of the water, I would at least hope so.

I simply think throwing around the "#1" is a bit disingenuous because different publications rank the schools differently. Bloomberg's Businessweek regards Notre Dame as the best school in the country for a business undergrad.

"Splitting Hairs" is a reference comparing two alike things. ND and PSU's business undergrads are in completely different classes. So there is no "hair splitting" between them.

If you said, "Comparing Notre Dame and Emory's business undergrads is splitting hairs", then I would get it. But that's not what we are comparing, are we?
 
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Now you're splitting hairs about what the fck splitting hairs means.

It's silly to claim that Notre Dame is the #1 school, because it not a unanimous opinion. Notre Dame and the rest of the elites are all in the same class.

Penn State is not in that class.
 

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He committed:

Alex Anzalone ‏@AlexAnzalone_24
I'm a proud commit of Heuerman University! So happy to be apart of the #MikeMob13

Mike Heuerman ‏@Mheuerman9
Congrats on your commitment @AlexAnzalone_24. Welcome to Heuerman university

:)
 
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He committed:

Alex Anzalone ‏@AlexAnzalone_24
I'm a proud commit of Heuerman University! So happy to be apart of the #MikeMob13

Mike Heuerman ‏@Mheuerman9
Congrats on your commitment @AlexAnzalone_24. Welcome to Heuerman university

:)

OK you got me...I'm intrigued...
 

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He committed:

Alex Anzalone ‏@AlexAnzalone_24
I'm a proud commit of Heuerman University! So happy to be apart of the #MikeMob13

Mike Heuerman ‏@Mheuerman9
Congrats on your commitment @AlexAnzalone_24. Welcome to Heuerman university

:)

thats funny stuff right there
 

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Would love to add this kid. He would be an awesome addition to our already awesome class of GREAT guys.
 

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