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My favorite three star right now is Trevor Ruhland...that guys is a mauler. You can't coach that motor he has. Need more of that!
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My favorite three star right now is Trevor Ruhland...that guys is a mauler. You can't coach that motor he has. Need more of that!
that's fine I like Ruhland too but according to a lot of ND posters we shouldn't recruit Cali and the SEC. If you want to play big time football you have to recruit them because ND can. If you want to play Big Ten ball then recruit all the guys I stated above.
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SC picks who it wants out of Cali for the most part and just got railroaded by Boston College.
Tennessee, Florida, and a few others recruiting really well in the South, and where are their programs?
Recruit good players where you can get them. I don't care if our class is mainly Midwest as long as they are good prospects that buy in. We have the luxury of having a national brand, which allows us to go to some places others can't. But that doesn't mean we will ever recruit some places well - that's just a fact.
Have you noticed some of the elite of the elite from the SEC have been from the Midwest lately?
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Always have to argue with me someone. No I haven't noticed that and I don't think it's true at all. Charlie always recruited lights out in Cali so I know ND can do it. Brian Kelly has shown he can go into California as well. I agree we should recruit where we can but where have the last 8 National Championships been won? If you wanna recruit the Midwest and have them all buy in then we won't be playing for championships.
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You spend so much time on here or Rivals you have to have more sense than this. Do you really honestly think spending more time and resources in recruiting California is the answer to winning a NC?
And there are plenty of kids with talent in the Midwest that the SEC desperately want. Recently they have won for studs like Trey DePriest, Laquan Treadwell, Ethan Pocic, Jordan Diamond, and that's not to mention all the losses they've had.
Check out Alabama's classes. They clean up in their own state, and pretty just load up locally and pick and choose battles out of state. We try and do the same.
Guys like you absolutely freak out if we ever lose a single kid in Indiana with talent, yet say we should be able to go into other elite programs backyards and consistently grab elite talent despite our obvious limitations in taking and recruiting kids, on top of the distance factor. Do you not see the hysterical hypocrisy in that?
You are the type of fan who will always find something to gripe out, which your entitled to do. You are the one who has to root like that. I just don't get it though. How is that ever fun for you?
I know rationally that ND can be a top 15 program if things go right, and it could be worse if things are poor. We won't ever be the ND of old, or even Alabama, because times have changed, parity is much greater, and our academic restrictions and location make it too hard to recruit anyone we want. But I am going to root like hell for us to win every game, and for us to have a year every so often now (more often hopefully than not) like 2012 where it is magical and we make a great run. But going on a run like that can't even be fun for guys like you if you are pointing out every single flaw you see instead of the good, the progress, and the awesome of a great win.
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I don't know how really to "rank" our players, so let's just take Keith Arnold's latest annual poll of the best...
Notre Dame, BYU have one avenue to make playoff: Finish undefeated - CBSSports.com
Top ten are:
Jaylon (Indiana)
K. Russell (Washington St.)
Sheldon Day (Indiana)
Golson (S. Carolina)
Folston (Florida)
Ronnie Stanley (Nevada)
Daniels (Illinois)
Nick Martin (Indiana)
Bryant (Florida)
Koyack (Pennsylvania)
What do you know? Half from our backyard (if you count western Pa.). Half from all over the flippin' country. We need to be able to recruit that way if we hope to be more than a regional power. Even if there was enough talent in the Midwest to win championships, we're not going to land everyone we want. Look at Justin Hilliard, for example.
And yeah we'll lose more than we win in Florida and SoCal and the south. Of course. But we'll win guys out there who'll help us win football games too.
Notre Dame, BYU have one avenue to make playoff: Finish undefeated - CBSSports.com
Top ten are:
Jaylon (Indiana)
K. Russell (Washington St.)
Sheldon Day (Indiana)
Golson (S. Carolina)
Folston (Florida)
Ronnie Stanley (Nevada)
Daniels (Illinois)
Nick Martin (Indiana)
Bryant (Florida)
Koyack (Pennsylvania)
What do you know? Half from our backyard (if you count western Pa.). Half from all over the flippin' country. We need to be able to recruit that way if we hope to be more than a regional power. Even if there was enough talent in the Midwest to win championships, we're not going to land everyone we want. Look at Justin Hilliard, for example.
And yeah we'll lose more than we win in Florida and SoCal and the south. Of course. But we'll win guys out there who'll help us win football games too.
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Just for fun:
If we end with the best case scenario for the class of Jamabo, Aliz'e Jones, St. Brown, Ykili Ross, and Bilal our 24/7 composite would be 263.11. That would CURRENTLY place us in 4th overall. Many of the teams ahead of us now have 3-5 more recruits than ND so it's likely that the ranking would hold over the course of the cycle.
Fingers crossed.
If we end with the best case scenario for the class of Jamabo, Aliz'e Jones, St. Brown, Ykili Ross, and Bilal our 24/7 composite would be 263.11. That would CURRENTLY place us in 4th overall. Many of the teams ahead of us now have 3-5 more recruits than ND so it's likely that the ranking would hold over the course of the cycle.
Fingers crossed.
I really don't think you understood my point. I want to win Championships, Brian Kelly wants to win Championships. It's why kids come to school here.Yes, they come for the education and the values and all the great that comes with Notre Dame. I know we won't ever recruit like Bama or LSU or those programs. But there isn't any reason what so ever we shouldn't try and recruit with the big boys. Brian Kelly and staff have done that. Yes, I like to nitpick but I also see what a wonderful place and what a wonderful job Kelly and staff have done.
I have never once freaked out about losing a kid from Indiana or losing a kid in general. I do follow recruiting very closely and I know Bama takes 3 stars in there region and branch out. Some times there are five stars in our region which ND can get and go after. (Jaylon Smith, Treadwell, Prater, Pocic, Kraemer) But do I think putting more resources in California and down south are the answers? No because I know ND spends a lot of time on recruiting. Do I think better recruiters would help us? Yes I think it would a lot. But there is no reason if ND is winning football games we can't have top 10 classes and load up on Midwest kids and go get whoever they want. Which Kelly has been doing. Recruiting with Kelly has had a lot of ups and downs IMO. But he has shown he can recruit with anyone. If you can recruit with anyone you can win titles and Kelly has won everywhere he has been. So if we stop with the brutal scheduling and keep up the constant recruiting efforts I would prefer to be a top 10 program and not top 15. No reason IMO we can't do that.
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Newsflash: The scheduling's not going to get any easier.
In a lot of ways our schedule is a key ingredient of the recruiting campaign.
I know it's not gonna get any easier, I would like to see it toned down a little bit though. But at the same time I love it.
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Seem to be packing this class with those "diamond in the rough" types...
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Kolin Hill and Drue Tranquill turned out pretty solid so far.
This class Kelly is recruiting winners. These kids are from winning programs and understand how to win.
Shaun Crawford, Jalen Guyton, Nicco Fertitta play on the #1,#3,and #4 ranked teams nationally. Crawford plays Tommy Kraemers school this weekend and they are itching to get after each other. Obviously Bishop Gorman plays whoever, wherever, whenever and they have probably the most intriguing game of the season in two weeks when they play St. John Bosco.
I believe only Tiassum, Tillery and McKinney are the only commits on a team with a losing record. I truly think that getting kids that come from winning programs are a huge step in the right direct. ND is getting a kid that understands the importance of teamwork, sacrifice, and being part of a program vs being the program.
Id love to see BK bring in some more Top 25 talent and boost the class rankings, but as we have seen in the past, those kids just arent worth the time. The recruiting offices are doing a great job at finding the kids that fit Notre Dame and going after them. Yes, that list is cut down even more, but I have to say its worth it. No one likes the Lynch, Darby, Vanderdoes, Shepard, Greenberry, etc drama. So the top 25 players in the country, Bama offers all 25, ND can only offer 18 with academic requirements, then after finding out if they can fit at ND, that might go down to 8. Thats a disadvantage, but thats something you will have to live with being a Notre Dame fan.
BK and his staff have shown they can play with just about anyone in the nation and I think player development will take the next step with BVG on campus. I think Diaco was good, but he got a little ahead of himself on certain things. BVG has been at the highest level and the lowest level of the game for many more years. NOT to rip Diaco, but that experience will go further in getting the max potential out of kids. Its the same reason BK stepped in and totally changed the culture in the program in 3 years. Its not easy and its not something that happens overnight, but if you give it time and let them do their jobs, the program will take the next step. I think its clear through 3 games that those results are already paying and the players are playing for BVG. Thats the biggest step.
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I see what you're saying but I don't think we're strictly limited by academic requirements or profile fits. I think if you're part of the ND brass you need to do what you can to stay "ahead of the game" in regards to facilities and recruiting tactics. To me it seems like ND is always the last one to the party, i.e. field turf/stadium updates, training table, alternate uniforms, summer football camps, mailing recruits 9842792 letters at a time.
There are certainly going to be more gimmicks for recruiters to use over the next several year and kids eat that shit up. If the recruiting offices can continue to win 10 games annually, hone the search on fits for the program and distinguishing itself from other programs in how they recruit elite guys I think they could land between 1 and 4 five star kids every year. The same kids that would be profile fits that still end up going SEC or USC, Stanford, Oregon, OU, etc. Obviously ND won't land them all and sustained success would likely only be attainable if ND was a top 5 program several years in a row, including NCAA Football playoff appearances.
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ND already does land between 1-4 five star kids every cycle. Going back ten years, ND has only had '05, '10, and currently this class '15 where they have not signed a five star player. Now, they haven't always panned out or stayed all four years at ND, but that's not what is being discussed here. ND has always landed their fair share of four- and five-star players. I do agree that winning consistently and staying up with the times will make it easier and perhaps lead to even more. But I'm addressing your "between 1 and 4 five star" comment.
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I think we'll be a contender every year if 1) we keep BK and 2) stop embarassing ourselves off of the field.
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And win more
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I think we're set up to win more. Poor QB era is over, and keeping BK will mean wins if we stop having these silly off the field issues.
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the best way to keep clean sheets is to not shit the bed
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When has ND not recruited enough big time players? Wouldn't you say the 2 biggest disadvantages for ND are:
1) They don't over sign like those that end up w top recruiting classes year after year. This is the number 1 advantage of schools that employ such a practice IMO.
2) The academic standards required to gain admission (I realize they are lowered somewhat for football players v the general student population). There wasn't even an option for Bo Scarborough or Isaiah MacKenzie to gain entrance last year even if ND was their first choice, and ND had Alford on the case for both of them.
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#Reckless
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