Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[calvegas04]

I think this is the wrong year for ND to search for a new coach, I just pray everything works out okay for ND and who ever they hire will make us as competitive as Kelly did

 

[NDPhilly]

Part of me is hoping Kelly is out just so the offseason isn't so dull.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Notre Dame is Gotham, and the triple option is batman. It may not be the offense we deserve, but it's the offense we need. Bring on Ken N! Huzzzah, excelsior!

 

[GBdomer]

Notre Dame is Gotham, and the triple option is batman. It may not be the offense we deserve, but it's the offense we need. Bring on Ken N! Huzzzah, excelsior!

Navy's head coach? That would be a mess, recruiting would be a mess. How you going to bring in elite players that we need to win and try and sell them on a triple option offense? I would take five more years of BK before one year of Ken N

 

[Rack Em]

Part of me is hoping Kelly is out just so the offseason isn't so dull.

You got a short memory. The off season is never dull....

 

[Kingbish01]

Navy's head coach? That would be a mess, recruiting would be a mess. How you going to bring in elite players that we need to win and try and sell them on a triple option offense? I would take five more years of BK before one year of Ken N

I agree. We'd get the same athletes as Tech, and have about the same results.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

What about huzzah and excelsior do you people not understand? Don't worry, you'll get used to Ken. Look on the bright side, The games on NBC will get over much sooner than they do now.

 

[BobbyMac]

I agree. We'd get the same athletes as Tech, and have about the same results.

ND is one of just 6 teams with a 247 Comp rating of 90+

GT's is an 83.40. That's #52.

 

[kmoose]

Navy's head coach? That would be a mess, recruiting would be a mess. How you going to bring in elite players that we need to win and try and sell them on a triple option offense? I would take five more years of BK before one year of Ken N

Lou was a triple option guy who went 29-7-1, with 2 Top Ten finishes (#6, #4) and one Top 15 finish(#12), with Rick Mirer at QB.

 

[GBdomer]

Lou was a triple option guy who went 29-7-1, with 2 Top Ten finishes (#6, #4) and one Top 15 finish(#12), with Rick Mirer at QB.

I understand that but it's not 1990 anymore. To many freak athletes play linebacker and safety now. We need to play smash mouth football and Kelly brings in all these top 100 OL yet they played like teddy bears at times. Next coach needs to bring in toughness and a new voice to this offense. Keep the spread? Fine, but let's play downhill football and fire off the line and play like the top 100 OL that they are.

 

[Rack Em]

Lou was a triple option guy who went 29-7-1, with 2 Top Ten finishes (#6, #4) and one Top 15 finish(#12), with Rick Mirer at QB.

Lou also coached at ND until 1996.

 

[Rack Em]

I understand that but it's not 1990 anymore

^ my man

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Lou was a triple option guy who went 29-7-1, with 2 Top Ten finishes (#6, #4) and one Top 15 finish(#12), with Rick Mirer at QB.

That was a different time. Many other high profile programs were still running some form of the option. IE the Nebraska power house of the 90's. That time is over.


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[kmoose]

I understand that but it's not 1990 anymore. To many freak athletes play linebacker and safety now. We need to play smash mouth football and Kelly brings in all these top 100 OL yet they played like teddy bears at times. Next coach needs to bring in toughness and a new voice to this offense. Keep the spread? Fine, but let's play downhill football and fire off the line and play like the top 100 OL that they are.

I wasn't suggesting that Niamatalolo could win at ND, with the triple option, in 2018. Lou didn't run triple option with Mirer. They ran options plays once in a while, yes, but Holtz pretty much adapted his option running attack into a power running attack, and tossed in a little more passing. Lou had run option almost exclusively in his coaching career, prior to Mirer. But he was a good enough coach to take the personnel he had and adapt them to another style of play that was close enough to what he knew so well that he could really excel at coaching it. So just because Niamatalolo might have always run option, that doesn't mean that he isn't a good enough coach to adapt to something else at ND.

 

[BGIF]

Lou was a triple option guy who went 29-7-1, with 2 Top Ten finishes (#6, #4) and one Top 15 finish(#12), with Rick Mirer at QB.

Holtz made a commitment to the ProSet in preseason '93 and then Powlus broke his clavicle in practice a week before the season started. Kevin McDougal was a career option backup and went on to a 12-1 season.

The OL coach Moore hated the ProSet and balked at his linemen committing to it. Holtz also didn't have a ProSet QB coach nor the corps of receivers needed to run.

When he coached at South Carolina Holtz never considered the Option again committing to a ProSet scheme.

 

[Meatloaf]

I wasn't suggesting that Niamatalolo could win at ND, with the triple option, in 2018. Lou didn't run triple option with Mirer. They ran options plays once in a while, yes, but Holtz pretty much adapted his option running attack into a power running attack, and tossed in a little more passing. Lou had run option almost exclusively in his coaching career, prior to Mirer. But he was a good enough coach to take the personnel he had and adapt them to another style of play that was close enough to what he knew so well that he could really excel at coaching it. So just because Niamatalolo might have always run option, that doesn't mean that he isn't a good enough coach to adapt to something else at ND.

You're assuming way too much. Ken's mentor, Paul Johnson, still runs the triple option at GT despite having P5 level talent. Why would you hire a triple option coach and then expect him to change his system? Makes no sense considering you could hire someone who already runs a power spread, pro style, whatever offense without them having to overhaul it.

 

[kmoose]

You're assuming way too much. Ken's mentor, Paul Johnson, still runs the triple option at GT despite having P5 level talent. Why would you hire a triple option coach and then expect him to change his system? Makes no sense considering you could hire someone who already runs a power spread, pro style, whatever offense without them having to overhaul it.

Again......... you are assuming that triple option is all Niamatalolo knows. You wouldn't hire a triple option coach and expect him to change. You'd hire a football coach and expect him to figure out what system works best with the personnel he has. One of the reasons that college football is such a "flash in the pan" game lately is that you have all of these "system coaches". Once people figure out how to stop their "system", then they fade into oblivion because they are not FOOTBALL coaches who understand multiple concepts and disciplines, and apply the right one(s) to the talent they have.

 

[BGIF]

You're assuming way too much. Ken's mentor, Paul Johnson, still runs the triple option at GT despite having P5 level talent. Why would you hire a triple option coach and then expect him to change his system? Makes no sense considering you could hire someone who already runs a power spread, pro style, whatever offense without them having to overhaul it.

Most coaches are that one dimensional. Leahy brought the T-Formation to ND scrapping Rockne's offense. Parseghian changed the ND offense. Devine the same. Holtz. They were all better Coaches than the the Davie to date group.

Bear Bryant ran about a half dozen different offensse in his career. The great ones adapt to the times, the players, and the defenses.

The significant part is getting the players to execute your attack, whatever it is, successfully ... whether it's option or spread, smash mouth or finesse. Same principle on defense.

 

[Meatloaf]

Again......... you are assuming that triple option is all Niamatalolo knows. You wouldn't hire a triple option coach and expect him to change. You'd hire a football coach and expect him to figure out what system works best with the personnel he has. One of the reasons that college football is such a "flash in the pan" game lately is that you have all of these "system coaches". Once people figure out how to stop their "system", then they fade into oblivion because they are not FOOTBALL coaches who understand multiple concepts and disciplines, and apply the right one(s) to the talent they have.

And you're assuming he knows how to competently run an offensive system completely different from the one he's spent his entire career coaching. Seriously, aside from a 2 year stint at UNLV, he's been at Navy his entire career. Every coach has a "system"; in fact, Ken N is one of the most system reliant coaches. Coaching a college offense isn't as simple as walking into a room and yelling 'RAWR MANBALL!!!!".

 

[Downinthebend]

Again......... you are assuming that triple option is all Niamatalolo knows. You wouldn't hire a triple option coach and expect him to change. You'd hire a football coach and expect him to figure out what system works best with the personnel he has. One of the reasons that college football is such a "flash in the pan" game lately is that you have all of these "system coaches". Once people figure out how to stop their "system", then they fade into oblivion because they are not FOOTBALL coaches who understand multiple concepts and disciplines, and apply the right one(s) to the talent they have.

Which system coaches exactly are fading into oblivion once they've been figured out? Which coaches drastically change their system based on personel, the last one I can remember (without the threat of being fired) was Weis. Generally a good football coach would want a stable system and recruit constantly to that system, its not like the NFL where you might draft the top FB randomly.

 

[NDbrbkny]

Didn't Rich Fraud learn that the hardway at Michigan? trying to fit a square into a round hole (as in use his system for michigan)

 

[Bluto]

Which system coaches exactly are fading into oblivion once they've been figured out? Which coaches drastically change their system based on personel, the last one I can remember (without the threat of being fired) was Weis. Generally a good football coach would want a stable system and recruit constantly to that system, its not like the NFL where you might draft the top FB randomly.

Les Miles....

 

[Bluto]

Which system coaches exactly are fading into oblivion once they've been figured out? Which coaches drastically change their system based on personel, the last one I can remember (without the threat of being fired) was Weis. Generally a good football coach would want a stable system and recruit constantly to that system, its not like the NFL where you might draft the top FB randomly.

Les Miles and Gene Chizik fit that bill. Brian Vangorder does as well.

 

[Rocket89]

And you're assuming he knows how to competently run an offensive system completely different from the one he's spent his entire career coaching. Seriously, aside from a 2 year stint at UNLV, he's been at Navy his entire career. Every coach has a "system"; in fact, Ken N is one of the most system reliant coaches. Coaching a college offense isn't as simple as walking into a room and yelling 'RAWR MANBALL!!!!".

He also ran the flexbone in college at Hawaii under Paul Johnson, too.

And further, declined the BYU job in large part because they wanted him to ditch the triple option. Literally makes no sense to hire Coach Ken and expect him to change.

 

[Kingbish01]

ND is one of just 6 teams with a 247 Comp rating of 90+

GT's is an 83.40. That's #52.

Those athletes that bring us up to a 90 don't wanna play in a triple option system. And that won't change until a bunch of NFL teams start running it.

 

[irishfan]

Sorry if already posted, what are people's thoughts on Schiano?

I think he could be quite good with the right OC.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

Allrighty boyos, here is what the summation of a non-staff poster over at ISD is saying about the head coach position. Again, DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER! I disagree with most of his "sources".

First, he reiterates that he got blasted for saying that Stoops was close to being hired instead of BK 7 years ago and that "according to his source", Stoops had the offer but wouldn't pull the trigger.

Here's his summation in bullet points:

ND has been in contact with representatives for coaches for the past couple of weeks.

Two of the coaches are for teams that are in the playoff mix currently, including a coach that is "EXTREMELY interested to end his career by winning another national championship at a third school". That would be alluding to Saban as one and Urban Meyer as the other one.

Other rumors say that Mark Dantonio is interested in the ND job and would leave Michigan St. for it. However, the guy states that multiple people of ND's board believe he's too old and wouldn't inject excitement into the program.

ND is looking for a young and up-coming coach to lead the program. Enter PJ Fleck. He claims that ND has been in contact with Fleck for a few weeks and that Fleck would take the job for the cheap. However, he has some off the field baggage with him getting divorced and possible cheating on his wife.

He reiterates that ND would buy out Kelly's contract and they're just looking for the right fit.

AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT MY WORDS. Just a non-staff member over at ISD.

IMHO however, ISD usually is pretty good about locking threads with baseless rumors, but will allow threads to keep going if they (non-publicly) believe there is some smoke to them.

 

[Kingbish01]

I've been saying it for years, Urban Meyer WILL win a Championship at ND. Just no telling when.

 

[kmoose]

Which system coaches exactly are fading into oblivion once they've been figured out? Which coaches drastically change their system based on personel, the last one I can remember (without the threat of being fired) was Weis. Generally a good football coach would want a stable system and recruit constantly to that system, its not like the NFL where you might draft the top FB randomly.

Look, all I was saying is that, just because Niamatalolo has always coached at a school that requires it to run triple option, that doesn't mean that he would not be able to coach a different style of offense here at ND. So you shouldn't rule him out based just on, "He's a triple option guy and I don't want triple option." I don't know if he can coach anything else or not. I bet, though, that the people making the hiring decision would be able to get a good feel for that, before they made him an offer.

 

[Wild Bill]

Sorry if already posted, what are people's thoughts on Schiano?

I think he could be quite good with the right OC.

The dude can flat out coach defense and focuses on fundamentals and discipline - two things we desperately need. I'd give him a shot over some other names I've heard.