Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

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Once again, I think that anybody wanting to get rid of Kelly doesn't know much about football. Not meaning to be rude, but I think the only college coaches that are better would be Saban, Urban, and Harbaugh. None of those guys are walking through the door. I would take Kelly over any other college coach. We were two plays from being in the playoffs last year, and have had the best stretch since Holtz. Before Kelly came people were debating whether Notre Dame could ever be competing for championships again. That conversation changed now that we have Kelly. Don't have such a short memory. Look big picture. We are incredibly blessed to have Coach Kelly.

Kelly may be a great coach. His replacement may not have a better football mind. Kelly may be very successful somewhere else.

But that doesn't mean Kelly should stay. There are strong indicators that he is no longer going to be an effective football coach at ND.
 

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I think that anybody wanting to keep Kelly doesn't know much about the University of Notre Dame.


FEI rank 41
S&P+ rank 30
FPI rank 35

So by even the most generous metric, there are 29 college coaches better.

What if you were to learn that there are members of the board of trustees and administration who want to keep Kelly?
 

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Once again, I think that anybody wanting to get rid of Kelly doesn't know much about football. Not meaning to be rude, but I think the only college coaches that are better would be Saban, Urban, and Harbaugh. None of those guys are walking through the door. I would take Kelly over any other college coach. We were two plays from being in the playoffs last year, and have had the best stretch since Holtz. Before Kelly came people were debating whether Notre Dame could ever be competing for championships again. That conversation changed now that we have Kelly. Don't have such a short memory. Look big picture. We are incredibly blessed to have Coach Kelly.

CoachB........rianKelly
 

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I don't know a lot about his back ground but I am not sure he would be able to recruit.

Maybe,... I think at the right spot, Notre Dame potentially being one of them as an indy that teams can't consistently gear for, his offense could be insanely lethal.
 

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Once again, I think that anybody wanting to get rid of Kelly doesn't know much about football. Not meaning to be rude, but I think the only college coaches that are better would be Saban, Urban, and Harbaugh. None of those guys are walking through the door. I would take Kelly over any other college coach. We were two plays from being in the playoffs last year, and have had the best stretch since Holtz. Before Kelly came people were debating whether Notre Dame could ever be competing for championships again. That conversation changed now that we have Kelly. Don't have such a short memory. Look big picture. We are incredibly blessed to have Coach Kelly.

His record is similar to Weis now so he is not a top 4 coach, that is ludicrous.

His best year was with Weis's recruits. And he got so embarrassed by Alabama that everyone now refers to the 2012 SEC championship game as the NCG since Georgia at least played them close. That game is a punchline now.

Every time he is in a game where the opponent has equal or better talent, he loses. He had a chance to stop that last year by beating either Ohio State or Clemson - lost them both.

This year, he failed miserably by succumbing to nepotism and retaining BVG when everyone knew he needed to go. He failed miserably on strength and conditioning. He failed miserably on special teams. He's a 7-8 win guy and everyone is sick of it. This program is on its way to apathy and that is how you actually become irrelevant.
 

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What if you were to learn that there are members of the board of trustees and administration who want to keep Kelly?

Wanting to keep Kelly is not the same thing as saying he is the 4th best coach in America. You can make the argument that paying Kelly's buyout for a minor upgrade (i.e. Rhule) is not worth it but there is no sensible argument to be made that he is the 4th best coach in America.
 

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11-30-04, Tyrone fired
11-30-09, Charlie fired
11-30-16, ????????????
 

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Once again, I think that anybody wanting to get rid of Kelly doesn't know much about football. Not meaning to be rude, but I think the only college coaches that are better would be Saban, Urban, and Harbaugh. None of those guys are walking through the door. I would take Kelly over any other college coach. We were two plays from being in the playoffs last year, and have had the best stretch since Holtz. Before Kelly came people were debating whether Notre Dame could ever be competing for championships again. That conversation changed now that we have Kelly. Don't have such a short memory. Look big picture. We are incredibly blessed to have Coach Kelly.

You have some valid points, but there are some big holes in BK's performance.
1. Roster management - Has been bad. The starting QB gets hurt and you tell him its still his team, but then it isn't. He should have never said that. It sent a clear message to the team his word isn't his bond. I believe there was something of a division on this team this year.
2. Recruiting - While we've been landing solid classes, they tend to get over-loaded by position leaving gaps in other positions. Injuries, academics and suspensions quickly expose the lack of depth.
3. Leadership - Anyone watching the games this year knew we were going to lose those games on the last drive. You could tell the team was resigned to giving up the final points. Everyone including Kelly knew BVG needed to go, yet he refused to get rid of him until it was too late.

It's hard to repair 1 & 2 after what has happened.
 

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Maybe,... I think at the right spot, Notre Dame potentially being one of them as an indy that teams can't consistently gear for, his offense could be insanely lethal.

Not trying to say that you aren't right but offense isn't a problem right now defense and special teams are the primary areas of improvement.
 

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Not trying to say that you aren't right but offense isn't a problem right now defense and special teams are the primary areas of improvement.

To be clear, I'm not really making a case for ND to hire him, just thinking out loud on Calhoun generally speaking.
 

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This Calhoun cat sounds pretty intriguing. Thanks for the prompt dwshade.
 

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So you are saying you don't think any coach outside of Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, or Jim Harbaugh could win 5 games this year with this team. If you are right we are doomed.

While I realize its extremely silly to post what he did. You could also say, the exact opposite when he's won. How many coaches would've went 12-0 in 2012, well, there are not too many coaches that have done that recently, period. So, I guess all I'm saying is, using 1 season to make this distinction, one way or another, is not accurate.
 

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While I realize its extremely silly to post what he did. You could also say, the exact opposite when he's won. How many coaches would've went 12-0 in 2012, well, there are not too many coaches that have done that recently, period. So, I guess all I'm saying is, using 1 season to make this distinction, one way or another, is not accurate.

I think plenty of coaches could have done it. I also think plenty of coaches would have won more than 7-8 games every other year and I am certain plenty of coaches would have won at least 11 last year.
 

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I think plenty of coaches could have done it. I also think plenty of coaches would have won more than 7-8 games every other year and I am certain plenty of coaches would have won at least 11 last year.

How do you know any of this though. It just sounds like someone who thinks the grass is always greener.
 

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How do you know any of this though. It just sounds like someone who thinks the grass is always greener.

I said "I think" on the first two points and I am as sure as I could possibly be on the third one. The grass is greener than 4-8. It just is.
 

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How do you know any of this though. It just sounds like someone who thinks the grass is always greener.

Even if you just drop 2012 and 2016 as anomalies, we have a coach that averages 8 wins against an average schedule. Top 10 recruiting classes should result in top 10 finishes more times than not.
 

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Definitely a fake. ISD can't confirm if BK has met, but sources say it's business as usual and more in-homes are being set, with plans for the banquet being made. That's all folks.
 

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Definitely a fake. ISD can't confirm if BK has met, but sources say it's business as usual and more in-homes are being set, with plans for the banquet being made. That's all folks.

Well hell...Why don't you just karate chop my throat while your at it Zelezo. Fu....
 

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Relax. Until Jack publicly announces BK is the coach next year and/or all the conference championship games and playoff spots are determined anything can happen.

If we are still in the dark in a week then we can panic lol.
 

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I think plenty of coaches could have done it. I also think plenty of coaches would have won more than 7-8 games every other year and I am certain plenty of coaches would have won at least 11 last year.

Since 2010, how many coaches have went 12-0? I don't know the answer, but its probably not very many.

I'm not sticking a flag in the ground and taking a stand, just illustrating that 1 season shouldn't make the decision. Saying a lot of coaches would've done better this season is, though obvious, unknown. It is known that not many coaches have went 12-0 in the regular season during his tenure at ND. So the ceiling has been high, the floor very low, with the average in the middle.
 

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Definitely a fake. ISD can't confirm if BK has met, but sources say it's business as usual and more in-homes are being set, with plans for the banquet being made. That's all folks.

2017 is gonna get ugly fast if there is an early loss. If a major staff shakeup happens maybe it buys some good will, but without that the natives will be restless.
 

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I think plenty of coaches could have done it. I also think plenty of coaches would have won more than 7-8 games every other year and I am certain plenty of coaches would have won at least 11 last year.

If I looked right since 2012 only 2 teams teams have finished undefeated in the top 25 not including this season. So it is harder than you portray.
 
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There was a lot of luck keeping that 2012 team from 9-3, and some very good players on it. We saw what happened when Kelly coached against an elite team, it was over in the 1st quarter.

And It's not 2012 anymore, it's 4-8.
 

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Since 2010, how many coaches have went 12-0? I don't know the answer, but its probably not very many.

I'm not sticking a flag in the ground and taking a stand, just illustrating that 1 season shouldn't make the decision. Saying a lot of coaches would've done better this season is, though obvious, unknown. It is known that not many coaches have went 12-0 in the regular season during his tenure at ND. So the ceiling has been high, the floor very low, with the average in the middle.

I think 4-8 in year 7 is a fireable offense by itself but I personally view his entire resume post-2012 as a massive failure. He could have gone 8-4 this year and I would want him gone.
 
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