Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[Dizzyphil]

Nope, I'm your age. Faust's first year was my first year of HS.

The guys I watch games with were at ND at that time, one of them went 4 years and never saw a winning team. Three years of Kuharich at 12-18 and Hugh Devore in '63 at 2-7. 14-25 over 4 years. The worst run in program history. But he's 75ish and at the game watches every week cheering on the Irish.

BTW... I had to look up the exact records.

Gotcha...... I just know first hand watching Faust. In the words of Barkley he was 'tuurrrble'.

 

[IrishBroker]

No, that's not how this works. I could be a really shitty, dumb lawyer. Someone who played football could have been really bad, lazy, and generally has no unique insight to offer. I'm not saying a person who played football can't offer unique insight, but it's BS to try and tell someone they are wrong and you are right just because of that.

This is an anonymous message board. If people could just go around saying things like that, people would make up professions and credentials just to win an argument.

Lawyers can't agree on Roe V. Wade between themselves, by the way.

I agree with you to an extent... but generally, people who are in said profession (or have experience in a locker room) absolutely know better than those that don't.

I also played college ball, and some of the theories I read on here about what goes on in locker rooms is hilarious based on what I know and have actually endured.

There is a certain amount of credibility that comes with the territory.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Looks like Charlie Strong is out at TX, it had already been announced down here in Texas.

If BK makes it through this season, what about Strong as the DC for the next few years? ND is a big time school and it would help rebuild his reputation.

My question is...didnt Texas give up a ton of pts this year? Granted, Strong was the HC but I know when Bama starts cocking up D wise, Nick jumps in feet first. I would think if Strong was a D guy, his team would have played decent defense.

 

[BobbyMac]

No, that's not how this works. I could be a really shitty, dumb lawyer. Someone who played football could have been really bad, lazy, and generally has no unique insight to offer. I'm not saying a person who played football can't offer unique insight, but it's BS to try and tell someone they are wrong and you are right just because of that.

This is an anonymous message board. If people could just go around saying things like that, people would make up professions and credentials just to win an argument.

Lawyers can't agree on Roe V. Wade between themselves, by the way.

Don't think I'm agreeing with him, I'm not. Anyone can argue football as a fan. I never played a down of football and it's amazing how many of my friends who played, have really no idea about the various verticals of DI college football, ie recruiting, administration, academic requirements to even coaching theory. But then again, does anyone think John Clayton doesn't know the NFL and he never played a down either.

But what (how) you said about Roe v. Wade, I don't agree with. I don't know enough about law and that's what Roe v. Wade is. Now, if you wanna debate abortion, I'll do that till the sun goes down and hold my own.

So I can argue abortion or ND football in general, but I can't argue Roe v. Wade with a lawyer, the same as I can't argue the pulling guard's zone trap responsibilities in a read option offense with someone who was a lineman in that system.

 

[Irish#1]

No, that's not how this works. I could be a really shitty, dumb lawyer. Someone who played football could have been really bad, lazy, and generally has no unique insight to offer. I'm not saying a person who played football can't offer unique insight, but it's BS to try and tell someone they are wrong and you are right just because of that.

This is an anonymous message board. If people could just go around saying things like that, people would make up professions and credentials just to win an argument.

Lawyers can't agree on Roe V. Wade between themselves, by the way.

 

[Irish#1]

Don't think I'm agreeing with him, I'm not. Anyone can argue football as a fan. I never played a down of football and it's amazing how many of my friends who played, have really no idea about the various verticals of DI college football, ie recruiting, administration, academic requirements to even coaching theory. But then again, does anyone think John Clayton doesn't know the NFL and he never played a down either.

But what (how) you said about Roe v. Wade, I don't agree with. I don't know enough about law and that's what Roe v. Wade is. Now, if you wanna debate abortion, I'll do that till the sun goes down and hold my own.

So I can argue abortion or ND football in general, but I can't argue Roe v. Wade with a lawyer, the same as I can't argue the pulling guard's zone trap responsibilities in a read option offense with someone who was a lineman in that system.

It's very simple, pull and hit the first guy you see in a different colored jersey that's unblocked. Next week we'll study pulling center's in the veer option offense.

 

[Dizzyphil]

My question is...didnt Texas give up a ton of pts this year? Granted, Strong was the HC but I know when Bama starts cocking up D wise, Nick jumps in feet first. I would think if Strong was a D guy, his team would have played decent defense.

I used to think the same thing. But, a few years back I talked to a HC and he says there are so many aspects of the game, one cannot simply put everything on the back-burner and focus on one. Main reason why there are multiple coaches. Then I asked, then why back in the day was there only one coach? He said, you only had 15 - 20 players playing Offense, Defense, and Special Teams.... only needed one or two coaches

I said - Tou-che'

 

[dkuhn12]

My question is...didnt Texas give up a ton of pts this year? Granted, Strong was the HC but I know when Bama starts cocking up D wise, Nick jumps in feet first. I would think if Strong was a D guy, his team would have played decent defense.

As defensive line coach for ND between 95-98, they set single season sack record in 96. Turned South Carolina's defense around between 97-2000 when they were the doormat of the SEC. Was Defensive Coordinator for two National Championship teams at Flordia.....I would give him the job in a heartbeat over anyone else if he wanted to come here honestly. Only other guy I give it to is Aaranda

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

As defensive line coach for ND between 95-98, they set single season sack record in 96. Turned South Carolina's defense around between 97-2000 when they were the doormat of the SEC. Was Defensive Coordinator for two National Championship teams at Flordia.....I would give him the job in a heartbeat over anyone else if he wanted to come here honestly. Only other guy I give it to is Aaranda

I think Strong is a hell of a DC. But, there isn't a chance in hell that any of these 'big names' are gonna want to work for Brian Kelly. There is a reason that he dusts off every single coach hes been associated with from f'ing Grand Valley State.

 

[koonja]

ISD had a great point on their podcast. When any DC knows that BK is about to get canned in 2017, why would they sign to come here after this season?

 

[Dizzyphil]

ISD had a great point on their podcast. When any DC knows that BK is about to get canned in 2017, why would they sign to come here after this season?

When did ISD find out of the firing?

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

ISD had a great point on their podcast. When any DC knows that BK is about to get canned in 2017, why would they sign to come here after this season?

I think this can be ameliorated with a multiple year contract. Like how LSU got its current D Coordinator.

There is no doubt that ND will be facing a sea of negativity of BK stays, though, and there's no getting around that.

 

[IrishLax]

I think this can be ameliorated with a multiple year contract. Like how LSU got its current D Coordinator.

There is no doubt that ND will be facing a sea of negativity of BK stays, though, and there's no getting around that.

Yup. Also, nice word choice lol...

 

[gkIrish]

I agree with you to an extent... but generally, people who are in said profession (or have experience in a locker room) absolutely know better than those that don't.

I also played college ball, and some of the theories I read on here about what goes on in locker rooms is hilarious based on what I know and have actually endured.

There is a certain amount of credibility that comes with the territory.

Look, I'm not arguing I know more about locker rooms than a football player or that a non-lawyer knows more about how to give a closing argument than a lawyer.

What I'm saying is using your resume as a retort on an anonymous online message board is B.S. Not going to allow someone with less than 1,000 posts to come in here and try to shut someone down on that basis. Especially when the resume is flaunted around after saying something stupid about Declan.

 

[dad4aa]

For the record, Believe me or not, and this can and probably will change, but I know people close to PJ Fleck, and he has told them he thinks he will be either at Oregon, UNC (wonder where Fedora is going) or stay at WMU

I talked with someone today and he said something very interesting. Rumors are Western Michigan is looking into joining the Big 12 and Fleck is not going anywhere. Will be interesting to see if anything comes of that.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I talked with someone today and he said something very interesting. Rumors are Western Michigan is looking into joining the Big 12 and Fleck is not going anywhere. Will be interesting to see if anything comes of that.

Yeah I'm sure they are salivating over the Kalamazoo television market.

EDIT: That sounds negative. I'm not calling you out. Thanks for sharing. I'm just skeptical that Western Michigan is on the verge of anything but another coaching search.

 

[gkIrish]

I talked with someone today and he said something very interesting. Rumors are Western Michigan is looking into joining the Big 12 and Fleck is not going anywhere. Will be interesting to see if anything comes of that.

Absolutely no chance that happens. Western Michigan might be looking but the Big 12 would never want them.

 

[BobbyMac]

I talked with someone today and he said something very interesting. Rumors are Western Michigan is looking into joining the Big 12 and Fleck is not going anywhere. Will be interesting to see if anything comes of that.

I'm looking at dating Carrie Underwood. Maybe her and I'll check out a WMU - Sooners game in the future. She's from Oklahoma, right?

 

[IrishBroker]

Absolutely no chance that happens. Western Michigan might be looking but the Big 12 would never want them.

Agreed. That's not even a question.

They'd take UofH before WMU

 

[dad4aa]

I never said it was going to happen. But there are several mid tier teams that have left their conferences and my bed power 5 conference and done well. TCU, Boise State, Utah all came from mid major conferences originally. The guy I talked with has a kid on the team right now and that's what's going around up there.

 

[bluengold4732]

Don't know if this has been mentioned but it seems that we'll get to face our favorite DC BVG next year as he apparently has been added to the Georgia staff according to 247. Report: Former Notre Dame DC Brian VanGorder assisting Georgia

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Don't know if this has been mentioned but it seems that we'll get to face our favorite DC BVG next year as he apparently has been added to the Georgia staff according to 247. Report: Former Notre Dame DC Brian VanGorder assisting Georgia

He will share all the defensive secrets of Notre Dame:

"In this situation, they will run around like chickens with their head cut off......in this one, they will re-enact a Benny Hill skit......."

 

[GATTACA!]

I never said it was going to happen. But there are several mid tier teams that have left their conferences and my bed power 5 conference and done well. TCU, Boise State, Utah all came from mid major conferences originally. The guy I talked with has a kid on the team right now and that's what's going around up there.

I'm sure that is what's being thrown around. That's the only plausible way to spin a scenario where Fleck is there next year.

 

[IrishLax]

I never said it was going to happen. But there are several mid tier teams that have left their conferences and my bed power 5 conference and done well. TCU, Boise State, Utah all came from mid major conferences originally. The guy I talked with has a kid on the team right now and that's what's going around up there.

Problem for WMU is that there has to be an opportunity and a monetary reason for a conference to add a team. TCU was added out of desperation to stabilize the Big 12, Utah was added because they actually made financial sense for the PAC12. Besides those two, I don't think there has been a single other team in the "BCS era" to up jump to ACC, SEC, Big Ten, PAC12, or Big 12 from a non-BCS conference. Boise State is still in Mountain West.

Houston seems attractive as can be... big media market, competitive school... and no power conferences want them. WMU doesn't really check any of the boxes the Big 12 (or any other conference) wants, so I'd be interested to hear exactly what they're talking about in that locker room and if I'm missing something.

 

[BobbyMac]

Don't know if this has been mentioned but it seems that we'll get to face our favorite DC BVG next year as he apparently has been added to the Georgia staff according to 247. Report: Former Notre Dame DC Brian VanGorder assisting Georgia

I was wondering how the sub-.500 Rajun Cajuns put up almost 300 yards rushing on UGa.

Makes sense now.

 

[BobbyMac]

Problem for WMU is that there has to be an opportunity and a monetary reason for a conference to add a team. TCU was added out of desperation to stabilize the Big 12, Utah was added because they actually made financial sense for the PAC12. Besides those two, I don't think there has been a single other team in the "BCS era" to up jump to ACC, SEC, Big Ten, PAC12, or Big 12 from a non-BCS conference. Boise State is still in Mountain West.

Houston seems attractive as can be... big media market, competitive school... and no power conferences want them. WMU doesn't really check any of the boxes the Big 12 (or any other conference) wants, so I'd be interested to hear exactly what they're talking about in that locker room and if I'm missing something.

They are dreaming. Probably the silliest thing I've ever heard. They are stuck in the MAC.

 

[Irishize]

This is my short list if/when Brian Kelly leaves or is fired

1.) Tom Herman
2.) Urban Meyer (wishful thinking, I know)
3.) Bob Stoops
4.) Chris Peterson
5.) Les Miles
6.) PJ Fleck

I'm not a Miles fan but as for the other five names...I don't think any of those names would be interested in ND at this point. Stoops reportedly was interested last time when they hired BK. He asked for five academic exceptions & ND declined.

 

[Meatloaf]

From Mike Frank, expect there to be a statement from Swarbs immediately following the sc game if Kelly is retained.

If no statement, "...hmmmm".

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[Irishize]

As defensive line coach for ND between 95-98, they set single season sack record in 96. Turned South Carolina's defense around between 97-2000 when they were the doormat of the SEC. Was Defensive Coordinator for two National Championship teams at Flordia.....I would give him the job in a heartbeat over anyone else if he wanted to come here honestly. Only other guy I give it to is Aaranda

I think it's been discussed in other threads that Strong would be too expensive as DC due to his contract w/ UT.

LSU has made it abundantly clear that they will try to retain Aranda if at all possible.

 

[nsisk157]

My Coach Wish List

(If Kelly were to Depart. I am in the Pro-Kelly camp pending he gets a Strong/Aranda/Schiano DC. I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt, for some odd reason; many of which I won't state because I am sure many will filet them.)

1a. Saban (Pipe Dream)
1b. Urban Meyer (Pipe Dream)
3. Chris Peterson
4. Greg Schiano
5. Tom Herman
6. Bob Stoops
7. Mike McIntyre