[Vpoll] Marijuana, Weed, Pot

[DillonHall]

So you want alcohol banned too? It has damaged far more college athletes than weed.

I wonder what the legal age for marijuana use would be. Alcohol is illegal for probably over half of college athletes.

 

[woolybug25]

I wonder what the legal age for marijuana use would be. Alcohol is illegal for probably over half of college athletes.

It's 21 in the states it's currently legal in.

 

[FearTheBeard]

I have seen it negatively affect many college athletes. Do not legalize it.


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So does junk food and lack of sleep, neither is illegal

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I have seen it negatively affect many college athletes. Do not legalize it.


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Almost received my first neg rep.

I kept my clicky finger in check. This time.

 

[NorthDakota]

I'd rather it not be legalized...but I'm mostly indifferent to it. I wouldn't vote for a candidate based on their opinion of legalizing it.

I don't see why people on either side of the fence are all that entrenched but I suppose you could say that about a lot of things.

 

[BobbyMac]

I'd rather it not be legalized...but I'm mostly indifferent to it. I wouldn't vote for a candidate based on their opinion of legalizing it.

I don't see why people on either side of the fence are all that entrenched but I suppose you could say that about a lot of things.

As a pretty conservative person on a lot of issues I'll put forth the MULTITUDE of people imprisoned for a little bit of weed in the land of the free as a reason.

 

[Blazers46]

I have a friend that has a little 3 or 4 year old with epilepsy. He had seizures daily until his mom introduced him to marijuana. She has a card to legally grow it. I could be getting this wrong but I think she says that if you get the marijuana before it starts to bud then it either eliminates or reduced the THC ( I could be totally getting this wrong). Since the THC is not needed to treat what her son has there really is no bad side effects.

 

[brick4956]

Probably a strain that has a higher cbd% is usually used in the treatment of epilepsy and seizures thc content is usually non existent in those type of strains

 

[Irish#1]

I'm a pretty conservative person on a lot of things, but in my late teens and early 20's I smoked maybe once a week or every other weekend when it was offered. Never into it where I was buying my own. Haven't had touched it in about 40 years, but I would not be imposed to legalizing. The tax revenue wouldn't come close to tobacco, but it sure could help the state coffers.

The problem with Indiana at the moment is Pence. He's so straight laced it's unbelievable.

 

[NorthDakota]

As a pretty conservative person on a lot of issues I'll put forth the MULTITUDE of people imprisoned for a little bit of weed in the land of the free as a reason.

Ok, thats a good point. I somehow overlooked that. I would rather people surely not be imprisoned for having it for personal use. A friend of mine got busted for it twice in a year span and got some fines. If they are distributing, particularly to kids(anyone in that middle-high school range), I don't feel remotely sorry for them.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I watched Culture High the other day on Netflix. Pretty much solidifies my stance on legalizing dope. If you haven't watched it yet, I'd recommend it. There's tons of evidence to support that basic, natural weed isn't some hard cord drug that Nixon and others have suggested during their War on Drugs campaigns.

Legalize it, regulate it, tax it....just like alcohol (which btw has a much higher casualty rate. It's insane this is even a debate at this point.)

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Ok, thats a good point. I somehow overlooked that. I would rather people surely not be imprisoned for having it for personal use. A friend of mine got busted for it twice in a year span and got some fines. If they are distributing, particularly to kids(anyone in that middle-high school range), I don't feel remotely sorry for them.

I don't think you'll find a single poster who disagrees with this. We know the brain continues to develop through early 20s so it's best to avoid substances which can alter that development.

Anyone over 21 should be able to grow, gift, smoke, eat, etc.

 

[woolybug25]

I don't think you'll find a single poster who disagrees with this. We know the brain continues to develop through early 20s so it's best to avoid substances which can alter that development.

Anyone over 21 should be able to grow, gift, smoke, eat, etc.

Yet we have no problems with giving our kids pain killers, adhd medication and other drugs. Smh

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I have a friend that has a little 3 or 4 year old with epilepsy. He had seizures daily until his mom introduced him to marijuana. She has a card to legally grow it. I could be getting this wrong but I think she says that if you get the marijuana before it starts to bud then it either eliminates or reduced the THC ( I could be totally getting this wrong). Since the THC is not needed to treat what her son has there really is no bad side effects.

Perfect, heart warming example of this in the documentary I just referenced (Culture High). For those wondering, kids aren't smoking it for epilepsy. It's liquid form, and it works.

 

[wizards8507]

My comment had nothing to do with whether you thought it would be legal or not. It had to do with your assumption that people don't actually want it for real, tangible healthcare reasons. That point is simply not true. I obviously think it should be legal recreationally, but that shouldn't take away from the fact that there are millions of people that could benefit from it as a medication. It's far safer than all of the bullcrap big pharma is shoving down our throat on a daily basis.

I just get pissed when people act like medicinal arguments are based in nothing but a bunch of stoners wanting to get high. That's not the case at all. Nor is it something that is even necessary. Cannabis is a time proven aid in health.

Cannabidiol (which does not contain THC) is legal to purchase in every single state in the country. My father-in-law took Marinol (THC in pill form) when he was on his death bed with lymphoma to stimulate his appetite and prevent nausea. The vast majority of legitimate medical uses are already legal.

When people bitch and argue about "legalizing marijuana for medicinal reasons," they're talking about physical plant fiber that they want to roll and smoke.

It's like when you walk into a "smoke shop" and there's a four-foot purple bong labeled "for tobacco use only." Everyone knows it's bullshit.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Cannabidiol (which does not contain THC) is legal to purchase in every single state in the country. My father-in-law took Marinol (THC in pill form) when he was on his death bed with lymphoma to stimulate his appetite and prevent nausea. The legitimate medical uses are already legal.

When people bitch and argue about "legalizing marijuana for medicinal reasons," they're talking about physical plant fiber that they want to roll and smoke.

It's like when you walk into a "smoke shop" and there's a four-foot purple bong labeled "for tobacco use only." Everyone knows it's bullshit.

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[wizards8507]

I'm not sure this is entirely true though. The liquid resin isn't nationally legal, IIRC (which is what's been used to help prevent grand mal seizures in patients with epilepsy). I'm trying to do some (careful) Google searches now (currently at work).

I edited my post to say the "vast majority."

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I edited my post to say the "vast majority."

Damn you're fast. I tried to edit my post once I had more information, but you grabbed a quote haha.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Cannabidiol (which does not contain THC) is legal to purchase in every single state in the country. My father-in-law took Marinol (THC in pill form) when he was on his death bed with lymphoma to stimulate his appetite and prevent nausea. The vast majority of legitimate medical uses are already legal.

When people bitch and argue about "legalizing marijuana for medicinal reasons," they're talking about physical plant fiber that they want to roll and smoke.

It's like when you walk into a "smoke shop" and there's a four-foot purple bong labeled "for tobacco use only." Everyone knows it's bullshit.

Bullshit or not, it's immensely positive.

http://www.newsweek.com/states-medical-marijuana-painkiller-deaths-drop-25-266577

in the 13 states that passed laws allowing for the use of medical marijuana between 1999 and 2010, 25 percent fewer people die from opioid overdoses annually.

 

[mgriff]

I watched Culture High the other day on Netflix. Pretty much solidifies my stance on legalizing dope. If you haven't watched it yet, I'd recommend it. There's tons of evidence to support that basic, natural weed isn't some hard cord drug that Nixon and others have suggested during their War on Drugs campaigns.

Legalize it, regulate it, tax it....just like alcohol (which btw has a much higher casualty rate. It's insane this is even a debate at this point.)

That's one of the real pitfalls of blatant misinformation about a drug. Pot is not as bad as you are told when you're growing up in school. It can sap your motivation and you can become psychologically dependent upon it if you use it too much. Just like with anything, moderation is key. But when a few kids try it, which they inevitably do, and find it's not nearly as terrible as they've been led to believe, then they question the rest of the information they were given. Some kids will use it too frequently, some kids will move on to other drugs to experiment, possibly believing they were lied to about everything else as well. Honest and open dialogue should be the standard. Kids aren't stupid, they will figure out when they're being lied to. Pot has pitfalls with frequent use, but it can be enjoyed responsibly. If you're comparing it with anything else that's socially acceptable such as alcohol or prescription meds (painkillers/anxiety meds) it has far fewer potential problems.

 

[wizards8507]

Bullshit or not, it's immensely positive.

http://www.newsweek.com/states-medical-marijuana-painkiller-deaths-drop-25-266577

As I said, I'm not arguing the merits of whether it should be legalized or not. I'm just pointing out that the people who do want it legalized should do so from a point of intellectual honesty.

For my part, I don't care if marijuana legalization showed an 80% increase in heroin use. It should still be legal (and so should heroin use for that matter).

 

[Buster Bluth]

For my part, I don't care if marijuana legalization showed an 80% increase in heroin use. It should still be legal (and so should heroin use for that matter).

We know you don't care. Extreme views like that are a prerequisite for being a libertarian.

 

[Buster Bluth]

It'll be interesting to see which legalization efforts make it onto the ballots, because they will have an impact on the Presidential race. For instance I believe legalization is on the ballot in Nevada, and that will be a boost to Democrats as Nevada is a swing state.

 

[Cackalacky]

We know you don't care. Extreme views like that are a prerequisite for being a libertarian.

 

[wizards8507]

We know you don't care. Extreme views like that are a prerequisite for being a libertarian.

Sure, if you don't understand libertarianism.

Let's think this through. How many people out there are just dying to try heroin if only it were legalized? I'd guess zero. You imagine a world in which everyone would be strung out on the side of the road because legal heroin would mean that everyone is all of a sudden PUMPED TO DO HEROIN. Anyone who really wants to do heroin already is. The only difference is that, in my world, the taxpayer wouldn't have to subsidize the medical bills and prison sentences of people who voluntarily fuck themselves into oblivion.

There is zero intellectual difference between the prohibition of heroin and the prohibition of marijuana, vodka, beer, cigarettes, or bacon double cheeseburgers. Each one is something that some people enjoy but is generally considered harmful to the user. Suggesting that some subset of these things should be legal and others should be illegal is intellectually inconsistent.

Read "Drugs and Rights" by Douglas Husak.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Let's think this through. How many people out there are just dying to try heroin if only it were legalized? I'd guess zero. You imagine a world in which everyone would be strung out on the side of the road because legal heroin would mean that everyone is all of a sudden PUMPED TO DO HEROIN. Anyone who really wants to do heroin already is. The only difference is that, in my world, the taxpayer wouldn't have to subsidize the medical bills and prison sentences of people who voluntarily fuck themselves into oblivion.

There is zero intellectual difference between the prohibition of heroin and the prohibition of marijuana, vodka, beer, cigarettes, or bacon double cheeseburgers. Each one is something that some people enjoy but is generally considered harmful to the user. Suggesting that some subset of these things should be legal and others should be illegal is intellectually inconsistent.

There's a reason Libertarianism is laughed at as the Communism of the Right. Sounds great on paper, but only if you ignore so much of reality.

If no one is "PUMPED TO DO HEROIN," then keeping an enormously dangerous drug illegal has no harm.

But of course, you (should) know that's not reality. People don't make logical decisions when addictive drugs are involved. People aren't choosing to do anything, the drugs are manipulating their brain. That's the disease known as addiction. So you're just completely wrong on the "voluntarily fuck themselves" part, which again highlights a libertarian's preference for not giving a shit about other people or key context. Then to rejoice at not having to "subsidize the medical bills" is just a head-shaking amount of absurdity.

Currently in this country we are seeing pharmaceutical drugs become a scary gateway to heroin use. Think "everyone who really wants to do heroin already is?" Think again:

Heroin is not just a serious drug, it's arguably the most serious drug. No intellectual difference between the prohibition of heroin and marijuana? Just how much intellect does someone need to have to account for common sense observations that allowing the most destructive drug on the planet to be available to people on downward spirals in life is a bad thing?

I love the line "How many people out there are just dying to try heroin if only it were legalized?" because it goes back to that libertarian mental block of being stuck on looking at individuals and not a population, and disregards all of the factors that cause people to fall into drug use in the first place. Just another instance in which Libertarianism is laughed out of the room for its extreme positions.

 

[wizards8507]

There's a reason Libertarianism is laughed at as the Communism of the Right. Sounds great on paper, but only if you ignore so much of reality.

If no one is "PUMPED TO DO HEROIN," then keeping an enormously dangerous drug illegal has no harm.

But of course, you (should) know that's not reality. People don't make logical decisions when addictive drugs are involved. People aren't choosing to do anything, the drugs are manipulating their brain. That's the disease known as addiction. So you're just completely wrong on the "voluntarily fuck themselves" part, which again highlights a libertarian's preference for not giving a shit about other people or key context. Then to rejoice at not having to "subsidize the medical bills" is just a head-shaking amount of absurdity.

Currently in this country we are seeing pharmaceutical drugs become a scary gateway to heroin use. Think "everyone who really wants to do heroin already is?" Think again:

Heroin is not just a serious drug, it's arguably the most serious drug. No intellectual difference between the prohibition of heroin and marijuana? Just how much intellect does someone need to have to account for common sense observations that allowing the most destructive drug on the planet to be available to people on downward spirals in life is a bad thing?

I love the line "How many people out there are just dying to try heroin if only it were legalized?" because it goes back to that libertarian mental block of being stuck on looking at individuals and not a population, and disregards all of the factors that cause people to fall into drug use in the first place. Just another instance in which Libertarianism is laughed out of the room for its extreme positions.

1. That chart wouldn't change if heroin were legalized.

2. "It goes back to that libertarian mental block of being stuck on looking at individuals and not a population." That's not a mental block. I'm well aware of it and I'm doing it on purpose. God made individuals and gave them liberty. If free people behave in a way that creates some unfortunate statistics and a scary-looking chart, so be it.

3. Addiction is real but nobody is addicted to anything before they do it voluntarily. So yeah, a heroin addict is addicted. But the heroin addict was not always addicted. At some point, he chose to stick the first few needles into his arm.

4. It would be a great thing if individuals and private charities wanted to reach out to drug abusers and get them treatment for their addictions. That's nowhere near the same thing as taxpayers being forced to subsidize their habits through taxation under penalty of fine or imprisonment.

5. "Communism of the right," are you kidding me? If I said what I said on a GOP debate stage, I'd be run out of the room and accused of running to the Left of Bernie Sanders. That's what happens when your positions are built on actual principles and not bullshit pragmatism or feelz.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Aren't some babies born addicted to drugs (like heroin)?

 

[wizards8507]

Aren't some babies born addicted to drugs (like heroin)?

That's a physical/chemical addition, not a psychological one. I'm (obviously, I thought) talking about psychological addiction where one can't stop shooting heroin. Obviously a baby born with a chemical addiction isn't going to start shooting up because he can't help it.

 

[Bobias]

I have a friend that has a little 3 or 4 year old with epilepsy. He had seizures daily until his mom introduced him to marijuana. She has a card to legally grow it. I could be getting this wrong but I think she says that if you get the marijuana before it starts to bud then it either eliminates or reduced the THC ( I could be totally getting this wrong). Since the THC is not needed to treat what her son has there really is no bad side effects.

Yes, you can make a CBD intensive extract from the fan leaves of the plants. The extract has a very high concentrate of medicinal cannabinoids such as CBD, CBA, THCV, etc. It can be taken from the fan leaves of both flowered and non-flowered plants, but the leaves from non-flowered plants tend to have slightly less THC and more medicinal cannabinoids and takes less time to produce, hence why it is harvested before flower.