UFOs, Paranormal, Pseudoscience Thread

[arahop]

Former Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet
Notice the trend, once they are done with their service they reveal what they know. More confirmation that the military and all the 3 letter departments try and conceal the phenomenon.




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[arahop]

This is a perfect example of the Pentagon or the powers that be behind the curtain, trying to discredit a decorated Officer. Because he suffered from PTSD. Just shameful and an example of how military service members are treated as pawn in the game. Just like the Bob Dylan lyrics. Got the deep state and private industry against the ropes.




On another note
Interesting stuff going on to a tribe in Lore to, Peru. I can see that whole scenario being a psyop, the towns people are clearly terrified.



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[Henges24]

Seen the video in Peru. People were terrified. Really is strange. Either we are paying more attention or the UAPs are starting to come up from the water.

 

[GATTACA!]

Seen the video in Peru. People were terrified. Really is strange. Either we are paying more attention or the UAPs are starting to come up from the water.

Link?

 

[Henges24]

Link?

I'll link but can promise you it isn't worth watching. There is zero visibility as it was taken at the night
...of course

 

[GATTACA!]

I'll link but can promise you it isn't worth watching. There is zero visibility as it was taken at the night
...of course

Shocking lol

 

[dublinirish]

the Peru stuff is most likely logging companies trying to scare natives off their lands

 

[Henges24]

Shocking lol

Couldn’t find it on Reddit anymore but did come across multiple posts from the same sub saying it was faked.
There were multiple YouTube video analysis’ if you’re still interested.
Wasn’t going to dig through the videos to see if the actual video was on it, though.

 

[Old Man Mike]

while my feelings are that the Peru stuff is bunkum, I don't know that. And I wonder how someone says that some idea is "likely" without providing their evidence? "Likely" implies pretty strong evidence.

 

[arahop]

Not saying it's true but it does absolutely deserve further investigation.
There was an account documented by police with video of a UFO and witness accounts.of tall beings in Vegas last month

Calling it not credible based off of personal belief is opposite of a scientific approach.

The mayor/ leader of the village says he shot at the being and it disappeared. I will say that a 3rd world tribe that is very hard to reach is a weird place.

Theories are a
Hoax
Holographic psyop
Logging company trying to scare people out of town. As stated above
Real deal and unexplainable

What is true
The Navy has been called in and is a 9 hour river ride. Place is very remote.

The people in the village are terrified

It is being covered by several news outlets in Peru and South America


Here's a decent breakdown.



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[arahop]

Terrified Peruvian villagers 'under attack from 7ft aliens' with creepy name

Residents of the Peruvian village of Loreto are reporting attacks by 'face eating' aliens.

www.express.co.uk

Ancient accounts in region speak of a face eating monster according to local lore

Once again I don't know but I definitely don't/ won't discredit it.

It would be one hell of a hoax by the towns people to actually call the Navy in from 10 hours away. The video above sure looks like something is in the sky shining and abnormally bright light down on the village in the middle of literal nowhere.

Peruvian villagers claim they are under attack from 7ft-tall 'aliens'

Members of the Ikitu tribe from the San Antonio native community have reported mysterious figures in dark-coloured hoods attacking the villagers, claiming they are aliens.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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[arahop]

while my feelings are that the Peru stuff is bunkum, I don't know that. And I wonder how someone says that some idea is "likely" without providing their evidence? "Likely" implies pretty strong evidence.

Something has happened IMO, and I don't believe it's a hoax (at least by the natives in the town)concotted by a very remote community of villagers in what would be considered a very poor community.
Unlikely but possible

1Vallee once uncovered a document about the US government staging UFO abduction in small village towns in South America circa the early 90s. plausible to me.


I don't buy that the loggers are flying things around in the middle of nowhere to spook the villagers, this is a very remote region and a lot of that rainforest for several 1000 miles around is very uncharted. There is an abundance of forest around.
not plausible to me

2, there could be something to this of the Non Human variety. Plausible

3 Psyop Hoax possibly using holographic projections. if the eye witness testimony and accounts of shooting the entitys and nothing happening to them or disappearing.
Plausible

A big nothing burger. Not plausible






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[Giddyup]

Neener neener

 

[arahop]

Neener neener

Care to respond with something other than a child's response? Had you been alive during Orson Wells War of the World radio broadcasts, guessing you would have been one of the religious zealots.thay offed themselves.

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[Bishop2b5]

The hearings boiled down to a few "I saw," even more "Someone told me they saw," or most of all "Someone told me someone else saw" testimony.

Not a single alien was produced.
Not a single dead alien was produced.
Not a single speck of alien tissue was produced.
Not a single alien craft was produced.
Not a single bit of alien wreckage was produced.
Not a single bit of alien material was produced.
Not a single bit of alien technology was produced.
Not a single moment of unambiguous video of anything alien was produced.

In other words, all we got was days and days of unsubstantiated second and third hand claims without a single shred of physical evidence. This is the same endless claims without any actual evidence we've heard for decades. It's just like The Curse Of Oak Island or The Secret Of Skinwalker Ranch TV shows: a never-ending tease full of "This is it!" and "Finally, the proof!" and "Coming up next episode, we reveal all!" empty promises that never actually produce anything of genuine substance. This is why people like me are so skeptical and tired of being told "They're here! We've got proof but can't show it to you yet... but we're just about to!" Second and third hand testimony, unexplained sightings or odd lights, and nothing better than some blurry or grainy video isn't even remotely convincing in any scientific way. Show me the money. Until then, this is going to remain as serious and believable as Bigfoot and Nessie.

 

[Lberry]

The hearings boiled down to a few "I saw," even more "Someone told me they saw," or most of all "Someone told me someone else saw" testimony.

Not a single alien was produced.
Not a single dead alien was produced.
Not a single speck of alien tissue was produced.
Not a single alien craft was produced.
Not a single bit of alien wreckage was produced.
Not a single bit of alien material was produced.
Not a single bit of alien technology was produced.
Not a single moment of unambiguous video of anything alien was produced.

In other words, all we got was days and days of unsubstantiated second and third hand claims without a single shred of physical evidence. This is the same endless claims without any actual evidence we've heard for decades. It's just like The Curse Of Oak Island or The Secret Of Skinwalker Ranch TV shows: a never-ending tease full of "This is it!" and "Finally, the proof!" and "Coming up next episode, we reveal all!" empty promises that never actually produce anything of genuine substance. This is why people like me are so skeptical and tired of being told "They're here! We've got proof but can't show it to you yet... but we're just about to!" Second and third hand testimony, unexplained sightings or odd lights, and nothing better than some blurry or grainy video isn't even remotely convincing in any scientific way. Show me the money. Until then, this is going to remain as serious and believable as Bigfoot and Nessie.

Why do you think something so advanced is going to get ran down by someone and tackled, a true "gotcha" moment?

I'm really surprised someone who's allegedly seen Skin Walker Ranch can call that a nothingburger. The electronic disruptions and readings are pretty compelling, and they have like 7 UFOs on camera in broad daylight... How the hell is that nothing..

 

[ACamp1900]

The hearings boiled down to a few "I saw," even more "Someone told me they saw," or most of all "Someone told me someone else saw" testimony.

Not a single alien was produced.
Not a single dead alien was produced.
Not a single speck of alien tissue was produced.
Not a single alien craft was produced.
Not a single bit of alien wreckage was produced.
Not a single bit of alien material was produced.
Not a single bit of alien technology was produced.
Not a single moment of unambiguous video of anything alien was produced.

In other words, all we got was days and days of unsubstantiated second and third hand claims without a single shred of physical evidence. This is the same endless claims without any actual evidence we've heard for decades. It's just like The Curse Of Oak Island or The Secret Of Skinwalker Ranch TV shows: a never-ending tease full of "This is it!" and "Finally, the proof!" and "Coming up next episode, we reveal all!" empty promises that never actually produce anything of genuine substance. This is why people like me are so skeptical and tired of being told "They're here! We've got proof but can't show it to you yet... but we're just about to!" Second and third hand testimony, unexplained sightings or odd lights, and nothing better than some blurry or grainy video isn't even remotely convincing in any scientific way. Show me the money. Until then, this is going to remain as serious and believable as Bigfoot and Nessie.

All I heard from multiple corners was how it confirmed aliens existed, so I went back and watched what I could searching for such confirmation ,…. Still searching. I’m not getting into they do or they don’t exist, I’ll leave that to y’all, but far as the hearings go, if someone is hollering about ‘they admitted it!!!’ I instantly tune them out on everything. It’s that kind of shrug.

 

[greyhammer90]

The hearings boiled down to a few "I saw," even more "Someone told me they saw," or most of all "Someone told me someone else saw" testimony.

Not a single alien was produced.
Not a single dead alien was produced.
Not a single speck of alien tissue was produced.
Not a single alien craft was produced.
Not a single bit of alien wreckage was produced.
Not a single bit of alien material was produced.
Not a single bit of alien technology was produced.
Not a single moment of unambiguous video of anything alien was produced.

In other words, all we got was days and days of unsubstantiated second and third hand claims without a single shred of physical evidence. This is the same endless claims without any actual evidence we've heard for decades. It's just like The Curse Of Oak Island or The Secret Of Skinwalker Ranch TV shows: a never-ending tease full of "This is it!" and "Finally, the proof!" and "Coming up next episode, we reveal all!" empty promises that never actually produce anything of genuine substance. This is why people like me are so skeptical and tired of being told "They're here! We've got proof but can't show it to you yet... but we're just about to!" Second and third hand testimony, unexplained sightings or odd lights, and nothing better than some blurry or grainy video isn't even remotely convincing in any scientific way. Show me the money. Until then, this is going to remain as serious and believable as Bigfoot and Nessie.

bUt He'S sO cReDiBle

 

[Bishop2b5]

I said what I did, not to hurt anyone's feelings or criticize anyone. Everyone is free to believe whatever they want. I'm criticizing the decades of "We know but we can't actually show you" nonsense and the gullibility of those who believe something because they want to believe it, not because the evidence supports it.

I've seen a couple of Neil deGrasse Tyson videos lately and my position is just about exactly the same as his: I believe there's almost certainly intelligent life out there in the universe; I don't believe any of the UAP's/UFO's of recent decades are attributable to any such life; Any species advanced enough to visit us from another star system would certainly be able to do so without being detected; The fundamental laws of physics make traveling faster than the speed of light impossible, and no advances in technology will change that, while traveling interstellar distances slower than the speed of light has some HUGE problems of its own and is highly impractical.

In other words, I believe they're out there, but they aren't visiting us, and all the UFO's we see have non-alien origins.

 

[Giddyup]

neener neener

 

[Old Man Mike]

"Second and third hand testimony, unexplained sightings or odd lights, and nothing better than some blurry or grainy video isn't even remotely convincing in any scientific way. Show me the money. Until then, this is going to remain as serious and believable as Bigfoot and Nessie."

Wonderful quote showing impressive openness of mind, based on ...
Let me comment and then hit the ignore button:
A. Second and third hand testimony ... I have literally thousands of FIRST hand testimony to unexplained interactions in my files alone. These include two close observations by my own family.
B. Unexplained sightings (as if they have no validity to any line of analysis nor thought) ... the military has NEVER thought that these reports are of little interest to them, and if anyone's actually paying attention, they realize that the military continues to monitor and collect the data in hopes of cracking it. MANY military persons (usually in private but recorded) admit that they are very happy that these things don't show any extensive interest in meddling with us in our activities, but are leaving us to our own devices. THAT's why there is not more urgency in this --- we can't do anything about it.
C. Blurry and grainy video ... The USN videos were at the edge of what we can do and they plus the radar readings were PLENTY convincing to the pilots that these things were WAY beyond anything we could fly. NOT "close"; WAY beyond. Commander Fravor has said that over and over and so has his wing pilot (and MANY others in other incidents.) These abnormal flight characteristics described by our best observers (missile trackers, high altitude balloon trackers, test pilots, air aces, people at White Sands, Los Alamos, the southern California 1950s aero-tech labs, Skunkworks personnel --- over and over and damm-over again since the late 1940s. NO explanations. NO matching experimental technology. At least moderate your dumbass wording in commentary. If you don't want to say anything about "aliens", fine, I can handle that. What else you got --- that's REASONABLY able to handle the sighting data. --- no question mark --- you don't have anything.)
D. serious and believable as Bigfoot and Nessie --- how civilly grand of you. Just shove that comment up your capacious ass.

... and E. DgTyson has been on several tv shows where a UFO researcher was also present. He embarrassingly shows that he knows almost nothing about the field --- and it's not surprising since he admits that he's not interested in it. So, who do we take as an expert? Someone who studies the field, or someone who isn't interested? Damm, man, you are a disappointment and an insulter at the same time. Good riddance.

 

[Bishop2b5]

"Second and third hand testimony, unexplained sightings or odd lights, and nothing better than some blurry or grainy video isn't even remotely convincing in any scientific way. Show me the money. Until then, this is going to remain as serious and believable as Bigfoot and Nessie."

Wonderful quote showing impressive openness of mind, based on ...
Let me comment and then hit the ignore button:
A. Second and third hand testimony ... I have literally thousands of FIRST hand testimony to unexplained interactions in my files alone. These include two close observations by my own family.
B. Unexplained sightings (as if they have no validity to any line of analysis nor thought) ... the military has NEVER thought that these reports are of little interest to them, and if anyone's actually paying attention, they realize that the military continues to monitor and collect the data in hopes of cracking it. MANY military persons (usually in private but recorded) admit that they are very happy that these things don't show any extensive interest in meddling with us in our activities, but are leaving us to our own devices. THAT's why there is not more urgency in this --- we can't do anything about it.
C. Blurry and grainy video ... The USN videos were at the edge of what we can do and they plus the radar readings were PLENTY convincing to the pilots that these things were WAY beyond anything we could fly. NOT "close"; WAY beyond. Commander Fravor has said that over and over and so has his wing pilot (and MANY others in other incidents.) These abnormal flight characteristics described by our best observers (missile trackers, high altitude balloon trackers, test pilots, air aces, people at White Sands, Los Alamos, the southern California 1950s aero-tech labs, Skunkworks personnel --- over and over and damm-over again since the late 1940s. NO explanations. NO matching experimental technology. At least moderate your dumbass wording in commentary. If you don't want to say anything about "aliens", fine, I can handle that. What else you got --- that's REASONABLY able to handle the sighting data. --- no question mark --- you don't have anything.)
D. serious and believable as Bigfoot and Nessie --- how civilly grand of you. Just shove that comment up your capacious ass.

... and E. DgTyson has been on several tv shows where a UFO researcher was also present. He embarrassingly shows that he knows almost nothing about the field --- and it's not surprising since he admits that he's not interested in it. So, who do we take as an expert? Someone who studies the field, or someone who isn't interested? Damm, man, you are a disappointment and an insulter at the same time. Good riddance.

Mike, you're emotionally invested in all this to the point that you've lost your objectivity and become hyper-sensitive to any rational and factual criticism. If your evidence supported your beliefs, you'd be able to refute my arguments easily with facts instead of anger and personal insults. That your reply was full of cursing, anger, personal attacks, and emotional arguments is telling. My position isn't personal. It's not an attack on you or your work. I've even said before that I think your work is important and the issue should be studied. It's a factual, rational attack on your unsupported conclusions and claims.

There's simply no compelling evidence that any of this is alien in origin. It's nothing more than gullible people with vivid imaginations - the type who consistently think zebra instead of horse any time they hear hoofbeats - and military "camouflage" of testing. For the military to express "concern" or "alarm" or to claim to have no explanation and to be looking into it is EXACTLY what you'd expect them to do to steer attention toward another explanation other than their own testing. You do realize that they have been testing advanced systems and technology for at least 75 years and have been actively hiding, camouflaging, deflecting attention from, and lying about the existence of such during all of this, don't you?

Again, until you can produce ANY unambiguous or tangible evidence, you don't have anything more than wishful thinking. Show us the money and I'll be the first to admit you're right... I WANT to see aliens! Until you can produce any of the things I listed in the OP, it's all just empty talk and unsupported claims without a shred of actual evidence. Don't get mad at me for not being convinced. Produce something tangible, and unambiguous enough to be convincing.

 

[Irishdrunk]

The hearings boiled down to a few "I saw," even more "Someone told me they saw," or most of all "Someone told me someone else saw" testimony.

Not a single alien was produced.
Not a single dead alien was produced.
Not a single speck of alien tissue was produced.
Not a single alien craft was produced.
Not a single bit of alien wreckage was produced.
Not a single bit of alien material was produced.
Not a single bit of alien technology was produced.
Not a single moment of unambiguous video of anything alien was produced.

In other words, all we got was days and days of unsubstantiated second and third hand claims without a single shred of physical evidence. This is the same endless claims without any actual evidence we've heard for decades. It's just like The Curse Of Oak Island or The Secret Of Skinwalker Ranch TV shows: a never-ending tease full of "This is it!" and "Finally, the proof!" and "Coming up next episode, we reveal all!" empty promises that never actually produce anything of genuine substance. This is why people like me are so skeptical and tired of being told "They're here! We've got proof but can't show it to you yet... but we're just about to!" Second and third hand testimony, unexplained sightings or odd lights, and nothing better than some blurry or grainy video isn't even remotely convincing in any scientific way. Show me the money. Until then, this is going to remain as serious and believable as Bigfoot and Nessie.

That’s because UFOs in terms of aliens simply don’t exist.

These at best are optical illusions and eyewitness testimony is actually the weakest data in true science.

Count UFOs up there with Lockness Monster, Yeti and ND hiring Urban Meyer on things we wish would happen but are not happening.

 

[Bishop2b5]

That’s because UFOs in terms of aliens simply don’t exist.

These at best are optical illusions and eyewitness testimony is actually the weakest data in true science.

Count UFOs up there with Lockness Monster, Yeti and ND hiring Urban Meyer on things we wish would happen but are not happening.

Exactly!

 

[Irishdrunk]

Exactly!

Neil Degrasse Tyson just said that eyewitness testimony is almost worthless in science… different than a Court of Law but in science data Carrie’s the day. He then said: “Show me the Aliens!”

I laughed so hard.

By the way Grosch has had psychological issues.

 

[Lberry]

Neil Degrasse Tyson just said that eyewitness testimony is almost worthless in science… different than a Court of Law but in science data Carrie’s the day. He then said: “Show me the Aliens!”

I laughed so hard.

By the way Grosch has had psychological issues.

Neil is a propoganda hack. Also said those who didn't get vaccinated against Covid shouldn't be allowed to leave their home. I guess he didn't need "proof" the vaccine worked to believe it, but does for outerspace.

Harbaugh and Neil are equals in my respect column. Both morons who peaked a decade ago.

 

[arahop]

Mike, you're emotionally invested in all this to the point that you've lost your objectivity and become hyper-sensitive to any rational and factual criticism. If your evidence supported your beliefs, you'd be able to refute my arguments easily with facts instead of anger and personal insults. That your reply was full of cursing, anger, personal attacks, and emotional arguments is telling. My position isn't personal. It's not an attack on you or your work. I've even said before that I think your work is important and the issue should be studied. It's a factual, rational attack on your unsupported conclusions and claims.

There's simply no compelling evidence that any of this is alien in origin. It's nothing more than gullible people with vivid imaginations - the type who consistently think zebra instead of horse any time they hear hoofbeats - and military "camouflage" of testing. For the military to express "concern" or "alarm" or to claim to have no explanation and to be looking into it is EXACTLY what you'd expect them to do to steer attention toward another explanation other than their own testing. You do realize that they have been testing advanced systems and technology for at least 75 years and have been actively hiding, camouflaging, deflecting attention from, and lying about the existence of such during all of this, don't you?

Again, until you can produce ANY unambiguous or tangible evidence, you don't have anything more than wishful thinking. Show us the money and I'll be the first to admit you're right... I WANT to see aliens! Until you can produce any of the things I listed in the OP, it's all just empty talk and unsupported claims without a shred of actual evidence. Don't get mad at me for not being convinced. Produce something tangible, and unambiguous enough to be convincing.

What were on the IR videos then? Ever hear of radar data?

What you were told in the Congressional meeting is that the US has recovered craft that is non human. The whole point of the meeting was step one of uncovering the claims. Grusch also couldn't reveal all he knew because a lot of it is classified. It's absolutely worth looking into.




There's more proof of these craft that there is of any God or Gods.



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[Sea Turtle]

That’s because UFOs in terms of aliens simply don’t exist.

These at best are optical illusions and eyewitness testimony is actually the weakest data in true science.

Count UFOs up there with Lockness Monster, Yeti and ND hiring Urban Meyer on things we wish would happen but are not happening.

Yo, my Yeti keeps my drinks cold.

 

[Bishop2b5]

What were on the IR videos then? Ever hear of radar data?

What you were told in the Congressional meeting is that the US has recovered craft that is non human. The whole point of the meeting was step one of uncovering the claims. Grusch also couldn't reveal all he knew because a lot of it is classified. It's absolutely worth looking into.




There's more proof of these craft that there is of any God or Gods.



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Again, this is nothing but the latest in a decades-long stream of endless claims without a single shred of physical evidence. Let us know when anyone produces a living alien, a dead alien, some alien tissue, an alien ship, some alien wreckage, some alien material, or some alien technology instead of just telling us about it.

 

[CoachB]

"Second and third hand testimony, unexplained sightings or odd lights, and nothing better than some blurry or grainy video isn't even remotely convincing in any scientific way. Show me the money. Until then, this is going to remain as serious and believable as Bigfoot and Nessie."

Wonderful quote showing impressive openness of mind, based on ...
Let me comment and then hit the ignore button:
A. Second and third hand testimony ... I have literally thousands of FIRST hand testimony to unexplained interactions in my files alone. These include two close observations by my own family.
B. Unexplained sightings (as if they have no validity to any line of analysis nor thought) ... the military has NEVER thought that these reports are of little interest to them, and if anyone's actually paying attention, they realize that the military continues to monitor and collect the data in hopes of cracking it. MANY military persons (usually in private but recorded) admit that they are very happy that these things don't show any extensive interest in meddling with us in our activities, but are leaving us to our own devices. THAT's why there is not more urgency in this --- we can't do anything about it.
C. Blurry and grainy video ... The USN videos were at the edge of what we can do and they plus the radar readings were PLENTY convincing to the pilots that these things were WAY beyond anything we could fly. NOT "close"; WAY beyond. Commander Fravor has said that over and over and so has his wing pilot (and MANY others in other incidents.) These abnormal flight characteristics described by our best observers (missile trackers, high altitude balloon trackers, test pilots, air aces, people at White Sands, Los Alamos, the southern California 1950s aero-tech labs, Skunkworks personnel --- over and over and damm-over again since the late 1940s. NO explanations. NO matching experimental technology. At least moderate your dumbass wording in commentary. If you don't want to say anything about "aliens", fine, I can handle that. What else you got --- that's REASONABLY able to handle the sighting data. --- no question mark --- you don't have anything.)
D. serious and believable as Bigfoot and Nessie --- how civilly grand of you. Just shove that comment up your capacious ass.

... and E. DgTyson has been on several tv shows where a UFO researcher was also present. He embarrassingly shows that he knows almost nothing about the field --- and it's not surprising since he admits that he's not interested in it. So, who do we take as an expert? Someone who studies the field, or someone who isn't interested? Damm, man, you are a disappointment and an insulter at the same time. Good riddance.

Goodness, tell us how you really feel.