Trump Presidency

[ulukinatme]

If the Leafs don’t win, I want an American team to win. My hatred for every other Canadian team is like Michigan levels.

Hey now! You better mean that. We don't mess around when it comes to Michigan. The animosity towards those Catholic hating bigots is the real deal.

 

[GATTACA!]

 

[ulukinatme]

 

[IrishLax]

This is pretty funny in retrospect, especially since he still has 57 felony indictments to go.

 

[GATTACA!]

This is pretty funny in retrospect, especially since he still has 57 felony indictments to go.

I think we should make an agreement that neither can run.

 

[TorontoGold]

I think we should make an agreement that neither can run.

One better, Hilary/Trump/Joe all shouldn't be able to run.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Ok but he didn't prosecute.

He did everything he possibly could to get his AG to prosecute her. Then he replaced his AG and did the same thing. There wasn’t enough evidence to prosecute her. Like it or not.

 

[Sea Turtle]

One better, Hilary/Trump/Joe all shouldn't be able to run.

I think that's something we can all agree on. 👍

 

[NDVirginia19]

One better, Hilary/Trump/Joe all shouldn't be able to run.

Something all sane Americans would support. My political hot take is all of the political insanity of our country can be boiled down to two grave mistakes - the 17th amendment and the 1960s movements, primarily represented with the McGovern Fraser Commission reforms, on broadening participation in political primaries.

Senators should not be directly elected by people. That's what the House of Representatives was supposed to do. By creating popularly elected Senators, you essentially have a House of Representatives and a Super House of Representatives filled with Senators who are mostly focused on spring boarding to the presidency. About 45% of presidents since the passing of the 17th amendment have been Senators prior to their election, where it was about 1/3 before. It really manifests itself now with a more polarized senate filled with people grandstanding in their official duties to drum up political clout with the base rather than primarily working for the interests of their states as was previously the case. Now you get mockeries of senate hearings where people want to get their good soundbites in rather than ask meaningful questions about legislation or nominees for positions.

Similarly, opening up party primaries to the entire base of party voters, you get candidates for office that are catered towards the extreme wings of the party. When the candidates were chosen in a less-democratic way, you got more pragmatic candidates for public office that the party elite picked that would actually be good representatives of the party and have a good shot at appealing to the moderate electorate. The party primary process lends itself to big tent political parties that are held hostage by the ideological wings of the party that vote in higher percentages at the primaries and don't really have the best ideas of good governance, and you get politicians who would otherwise be willing to compromise and work across the aisle having to vote in more polarizing fashion. If we didn't have open party primaries, somebody like Trump never gets the republican nomination. We would have had Jeb vs. Hillary in 2016, which would have ultimately been much better for our nation. It also strengthens a 2 party system, as there are wings in each of the party that sort of fit the niche that a challenging 3rd party would have been able to fill, challenging the Republican and Democrat parties.

 

[TorontoGold]

Something all sane Americans would support. My political hot take is all of the political insanity of our country can be boiled down to two grave mistakes - the 17th amendment and the 1960s movements, primarily represented with the McGovern Fraser Commission reforms, on broadening participation in political primaries.

Senators should not be directly elected by people. That's what the House of Representatives was supposed to do. By creating popularly elected Senators, you essentially have a House of Representatives and a Super House of Representatives filled with Senators who are mostly focused on spring boarding to the presidency. About 45% of presidents since the passing of the 17th amendment have been Senators prior to their election, where it was about 1/3 before. It really manifests itself now with a more polarized senate filled with people grandstanding in their official duties to drum up political clout with the base rather than primarily working for the interests of their states as was previously the case. Now you get mockeries of senate hearings where people want to get their good soundbites in rather than ask meaningful questions about legislation or nominees for positions.

Similarly, opening up party primaries to the entire base of party voters, you get candidates for office that are catered towards the extreme wings of the party. When the candidates were chosen in a less-democratic way, you got more pragmatic candidates for public office that the party elite picked that would actually be good representatives of the party and have a good shot at appealing to the moderate electorate. The party primary process lends itself to big tent political parties that are held hostage by the ideological wings of the party that vote in higher percentages at the primaries and don't really have the best ideas of good governance, and you get politicians who would otherwise be willing to compromise and work across the aisle having to vote in more polarizing fashion. If we didn't have open party primaries, somebody like Trump never gets the republican nomination. We would have had Jeb vs. Hillary in 2016, which would have ultimately been much better for our nation. It also strengthens a 2 party system, as there are wings in each of the party that sort of fit the niche that a challenging 3rd party would have been able to fill, challenging the Republican and Democrat parties.

That's nice and all, but one party caters to the extreme wing and the other cooked the primaries against their "extreme" candidate. I refuse to believe that the Democrats are even remotely as "extreme" when they are trotting out crime bill Joe and DA Harris.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Did you notice that after getting a verdict they didn't like this week, Conservatives didn't riot or burn down any cities? They just raised more than $50 million to support their guy's campaign. A very dramatic difference in how the two sides function.

 

[Blazers46]

Did you notice that after getting a verdict they didn't like this week, Conservatives didn't riot or burn down any cities? They just raised more than $50 million to support their guy's campaign. A very dramatic difference in how the two sides function.

I think it just shows how little anyone cares despite how much the media and those taking a victory lap want people to care.

 

[GATTACA!]

Did you notice that after getting a verdict they didn't like this week, Conservatives didn't riot or burn down any cities? They just raised more than $50 million to support their guy's campaign. A very dramatic difference in how the two sides function.

Conservatives save it for big stuff like losing elections.

 

[Bluto]

Conservatives save it for big stuff like losing elections.

Right wing nut jobs have been blowing stuff up, getting in armed stand offs with federal agents and shooting places up on a fairly regular basis for as long as I have been alive.

 

[GATTACA!]

Right wing nut jobs have been blowing stuff up, getting in armed stand offs with federal agents and shooting places up on a fairly regular basis for as long as I have been alive.

I listened to a podcast recently and was absolutely shocked and disgusted by how many abortion doctors they've either killed or made serious violent threats against.

 

[ulukinatme]

I listened to a podcast recently and was absolutely shocked and disgusted by how many abortion doctors they've either killed or made serious violent threats against.

There's been 11 murders of patients, volunteers, or providers since 1977? It's completely reprehensible for even one to occur, but I honestly expected more based on your statement.

 

[Blazers46]

There's been 11 murders of patients, volunteers, or providers since 1977? It's completely reprehensible for even one to occur, but I honestly expected more based on your statement.

You missed the part where he said bad things have been said…

 

[GATTACA!]

There's been 11 murders of patients, volunteers, or providers since 1977? It's completely reprehensible for even one to occur, but I honestly expected more based on your statement.

It was about more than murders. It went into stories about clinics having to close in places where it was legal because of threats, people losing their whole practices, abortion deserts being created in places it was legal because everyone was too scared to do procedures, there were bombings, people being stalked. Shit that would be labeled terrorism if it was trans activists or something.

I'll have to find the name of it again. It was a great listen.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Conservatives save it for big stuff like losing elections.

That's odd. I don't recall them flipping over police cars, looting, or burning buildings on 1/6.

 

[GATTACA!]

That's odd. I don't recall them flipping over police cars, looting, or burning buildings on 1/6.

All of that is preferable to breaking into the capitol and threatening our democracy. You don’t see it that way though bc they’re on your side.

 

[TorontoGold]

Right wing nut jobs have been blowing stuff up, getting in armed stand offs with federal agents and shooting places up on a fairly regular basis for as long as I have been alive.

Legit, they always have the best masterminds behind big terror plots. What did the Left get, like not even Ted Kaczynski can be classified as "Left", I guess Weather Underground and Antifa? Can't even get a cop gang like the LA Sheriffs have.

 

[GoIrish41]

Did you notice that after getting a verdict they didn't like this week, Conservatives didn't riot or burn down any cities? They just raised more than $50 million to support their guy's campaign. A very dramatic difference in how the two sides function.

Are we pretending Jan 6 never happened?

 

[Blazers46]

Are we pretending Jan 6 never happened?

Only right seeing how the other side pretends $2 billion in riots never happened in 2020.

 

[GATTACA!]

Only right seeing how the other side pretends $2 billion in riots never happened in 2020.

Who did? Bishop was the one that came in here with the pot meet kettle holier than thou act.

 

[Blazers46]

Who did? Bishop was the one that came in here with the pot meet kettle holier than thou act.

Sure, you must have Toronto blocked because the left just has a few bad apples. lol. “Who did”, just read my friend.

 

[TorontoGold]

Sure, you must have Toronto blocked because the left just has a few bad apples. lol. “Who did”, just read my friend.

Hey buddy, I said "big terror plots". If you want to consider the BLM protests "big terror plots", then by all means you can do that.

I know you don't really grasp numbers all that well, but if you want to talk about the cost of things, J6 is estimated to be $2.7B vs $2B in your claims.

 

[GATTACA!]

Sure, you must have Toronto blocked because the left just has a few bad apples. lol. “Who did”, just read my friend.

Here's what I'm guessing Toronto will say.

Anyone involved with non peaceful protests or riots is an idiot and should be arrested and charged for whatever crimes they committed.

Toronto reply before you reveal my spoiler.

 

[Blazers46]

Hey buddy, I said "big terror plots". If you want to consider the BLM protests "big terror plots", then by all means you can do that.

I know you don't really grasp numbers all that well, but if you want to talk about the cost of things, J6 is estimated to be $2.7B vs $2B in your claims.

So that’s your pathetic argument? Really? Your argument is “well the right is $700,000,000 more of domestic terrorists than the left? Hilarious.

I am sure the majority of your 2.7b is due to political investigations into Trump NOT actual damages. It’s hard to take you seriously with that post.

 

[Blazers46]

Here's what I'm guessing Toronto will say.

Anyone involved with non peaceful protests or riots is an idiot and should be arrested and charged for whatever crimes they committed.

Toronto reply before you reveal my spoiler.

Nope, just “your sides terrorism was more expensive than my sides terrorism”.

 

[TorontoGold]

Here's what I'm guessing Toronto will say.

Anyone involved with non peaceful protests or riots is an idiot and should be arrested and charged for whatever crimes they committed.

Toronto reply before you reveal my spoiler.

I believe that if there is evidence of a crime, that person should be arrested.

So that’s your pathetic argument? Really? Your argument is “well the right is $700,000,000 more of domestic terrorists than the left? Hilarious.

I am sure the majority of your 2.7b is due to political investigations into Trump NOT actual damages. It’s hard to take you seriously with that post.

What? No. Before you got it into your head that I was even talking about you or even anything in relation to you, I was commenting on Bluto's post. You can go read that.

I made a throwaway comment on your whole "hhrrrr the cost!" because you're so hung up on the cost of the protests. Who cares man, I'll leave you to toil in another emotional outburst. It's a Sunday night, go get a solid 4 min in while the kids are asleep.