Trump Presidency

[Sea Turtle]

Just to be clear - from here on out you'll have no thoughts on geopolitical events, correct?

Yes I will TG but I'm not going to go on forums from other countries and criticize the policies, politicians and laws of their countries.
It's rude, arrogant and none of my business.
I'm posting about the war in Ukraine here, among my own countrymen. I wouldn't go to a urkanian forum and criticize their government, laws or political parties. It's none of my business.

 

[TorontoGold]

Yes I will TG but I'm not going to go on forums from other countries and criticize the policies, politicians and laws of their countries.
It's rude, arrogant and none of my business.
I'm posting about the war in Ukraine here, among my own countrymen. I wouldn't go to a urkanian forum and criticize their government, laws or political parties. It's none of my business.

FYI there are Canadians on this forum, and they too have posted in this thread and other political threads. The only one who gets regular pushback is the one who doesn't walk in lockstep with you lol.

I am rude/arrogant to you because of the incredible jingoism in which you post in. You do not have the capacity to understand the ignorance in which saying someone can't have an opinion on another country while we all do that every day on multiple platforms.

Boy if I just had of choosen BKisDaddy69420...

 

[GATTACA!]

Yes I will TG but I'm not going to go on forums from other countries and criticize the policies, politicians and laws of their countries.
It's rude, arrogant and none of my business.
I'm posting about the war in Ukraine here, among my own countrymen. I wouldn't go to a urkanian forum and criticize their government, laws or political parties. It's none of my business.

I'm sure you'd be singing this exact same tune if Toronto happened to be agreeing with you right?

Guess you guys on the right really need your safe spaces.

 

[Sea Turtle]

FYI there are Canadians on this forum, and they too have posted in this thread and other political threads. The only one who gets regular pushback is the one who doesn't walk in lockstep with you lol.

I am rude/arrogant to you because of the incredible jingoism in which you post in. You do not have the capacity to understand the ignorance in which saying someone can't have an opinion on another country while we all do that every day on multiple platforms.

Boy if I just had of choosen BKisDaddy69420...

That's fair, I am jingotistic. It's a fault.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that YOU are irrelevant. You are. You seem to have a good heart and are a smart, successful guy.
I'm just saying that your thoughts on our countries politics are about as relevant as mine on yours. And they are both great countries.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I'm sure you'd be singing this exact same tune if Toronto happened to be agreeing with you right?

Guess you guys on the right really need your safe spaces.

Actually no. I cringe when I hear Piers Morgan, Stuart Varney or Steve Hilton criticize democrats. They are conservative, that's cool. But it's none of their business.

 

[GATTACA!]

Actually no. I cringe when I hear Piers Morgan, Stuart Varney or Steve Hilton criticize democrats. They are conservative, that's cool. But it's none of their business.

I think there's a pretty big difference between a talk show host taking pot shots at another country and a guy trying to have a conversation 1 on 1 with you. Just makes it seem like you've ran out of options and have resorted to the "La la la I can't hear you" defense.

 

[NorthDakota]

FYI there are Canadians on this forum, and they too have posted in this thread and other political threads. The only one who gets regular pushback is the one who doesn't walk in lockstep with you lol.

I am rude/arrogant to you because of the incredible jingoism in which you post in. You do not have the capacity to understand the ignorance in which saying someone can't have an opinion on another country while we all do that every day on multiple platforms.

Boy if I just had of choosen BKisDaddy69420...

Eh...BK69420 would be a based name. Can't imagine voluntarily putting Toronto in my username but good on you for disclosing a bad trait in your name. I may ask the mods to change my name to NicotineNoDak in solidarity.

 

[NorthDakota]

I think there's a pretty big difference between a talk show host taking pot shots at another country and a guy trying to have a conversation 1 on 1 with you. Just makes it seem like you've ran out of options and have resorted to the "La la la I can't hear you" defense.

I get both sides. Its very annoying when people from other countries opine on American stuff. Particularly when they rely on us for...basically everything. If someone is doing it in good faith (Toronto usually seems to try) then its chill.

 

[MacIrish75]

What a piece of shit

I get hungry after I workout, too. Wonder how many Diet Cokes he had with his sammich?

 

[Irish#1]

You're thoughts on U.S. politics are irrelevant.

Worry about your own country.

It's more bs but I'm glad at least you care. This whole thing is literally number 9 on what Americans care about in a recent poll.

More Implosion of Hutchinson's J6 Claims as Adam Schiff Steps in It Big Time on CNN

Now we already watched the January 6 Committee do themselves in, effectively, with the “witnes

redstate.com

So, how did Schiff respond?

“I can’t comment on other testimony before the Committee,” Schiff claimed. Why not? You’re doing plenty of commenting on Hutchinson’s testimony.

 

[Irish#1]

I'm guessing some must be very happy with our current president and the wonderful things he's accomplished so far. How else could you explain their absence from this thread until this recent update on the January 6 hearing?

 

[Irish#1]

Right on que lmao. Rent free.

Apparently Trump is living rent free in your head.

 

[Irish#1]

I wonder how credible Hutchinson is? Is she a pawn in this and was prepped prior to testifying?

At Tuesday’s hearing, Hutchinson, testifying about the note, said, “That’s a note that I wrote at the direction of the chief of staff on Jan. 6, likely around 3 o’clock.”
“And it’s written on the chief of staff note card, but that’s your handwriting, Ms. Hutchinson?” Rep. Cheney asked.
“That’s my handwriting,” Hutchinson replied.
Hutchinson, a former top aide to Meadows, said that Meadows handed her the note card and a pen and started dictating a potential statement for Trump to release amid the Capitol riot.

Except former Trump White House lawyer Eric Herschmann is now saying that he wrote the note. Indeed, he previously testified to the Committee that he wrote it.

“The handwritten note that Cassidy Hutchinson testified was written by her was in fact written by Eric Herschmann on January 6, 2021,” a spokesperson for Herschmann told ABC News Tuesday evening.
“All sources with direct knowledge and law enforcement have and will confirm that it was written by Mr. Herschmann,” the spokesperson said.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

If you told me six years ago it would end with ketchup on the White House walls, I would have believed you full stop.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I wonder how credible Hutchinson is? Is she a pawn in this and was prepped prior to testifying?

She has given multiple testimonies to the committee and they played her testimony back to her during the hearing. I found her credible because her testimony was nearly entirely based on her presence in the activities that occurred. The whole choking thing was definitely hearsay but she was involved in everything she testified in and provide her observations and understandings. I’m sure she is doing this to because she doesn’t have the money or ability to fight it anymore. I don’t think for a second she is doing this out of patriotism or for the benefit of the country.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Apparently Trump is living rent free in your head.

Nah. I find a president ( ANY PRESIDENT) leading and insurrection and attempting to install himself after losing an election (undermining the peaceful tradition of power) is a huge fucking deal. Like the biggest fucking deal this country has ever dealt with. Sooooo…. Nah just seeing how our paper thin democracy reacts to this is important to me as a citizen. I hope any person of any walk of life, political persuasion or party is held accountable and given the maximum penalty. Can I criticize trump now without both siding this since it was literally about him and only him? Probably not lmao.

 

[ulukinatme]

Both are bogus basically though. The limo story has already been debunked by the AP and secret service detail, and the bike thing was a fluke with his foot caught. Still funny though.

 

[NorthDakota]

She has given multiple testimonies to the committee and they played her testimony back to her during the hearing. I found her credible because her testimony was nearly entirely based on her presence in the activities that occurred. The whole choking thing was definitely hearsay but she was involved in everything she testified in and provide her observations and understandings. I’m sure she is doing this to because she doesn’t have the money or ability to fight it anymore. I don’t think for a second she is doing this out of patriotism or for the benefit of the country.

Its one thing if he says "she's misremembering some details, I told her (insert similar story here)." But if the dude says "I never told her that and the President never did that", it makes her and the committee look bad.

 

[NorthDakota]

Like the biggest fucking deal this country has ever dealt with.

On September 11, 2001, religious extremists hijacked and flew airplanes into the World Trade Center towers, the Pentagon, and unsuccessfully attempted to fly an additional plane into another target. Thousands of dead Americans.

In 1861, several states straight up started their own country. The two countries went to war with one another. Well over 600K people died. Around 2% of the American population.

The riot at the Capitol was bad. But it wasn't the biggest deal ever. LARPers and weirdos suffering from a Copium overdose.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I've come to the conclusion that nothing matters anymore. I'm pretty amazed at what the public deems normal and acceptable.

 

[Irish#1]

She has given multiple testimonies to the committee and they played her testimony back to her during the hearing. I found her credible because her testimony was nearly entirely based on her presence in the activities that occurred. The whole choking thing was definitely hearsay but she was involved in everything she testified in and provide her observations and understandings. I’m sure she is doing this to because she doesn’t have the money or ability to fight it anymore. I don’t think for a second she is doing this out of patriotism or for the benefit of the country.

They now have shown two of her stories weren't true. Something seems a little off to me.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

On September 11, 2001, religious extremists hijacked and flew airplanes into the World Trade Center towers, the Pentagon, and unsuccessfully attempted to fly an additional plane into another target. Thousands of dead Americans.

In 1861, several states straight up started their own country. The two countries went to war with one another. Well over 600K people died. Around 2% of the American population.

The riot at the Capitol was bad. But it wasn't the biggest deal ever. LARPers and weirdos suffering from a Copium overdose.

According to the committee findings so far, it was a multipronged attempt to undermine the election. Started with the legal challenges in courts that were baseless , then included pushing state governors and legislations to overturn and decertify results, a pressure campaign to have Pence decertify the results and when that failed a last ditch attempt that included attacking the Capitol with armed people to stop the certification. All coordinated. All planned. Its a much worse than you are making it out to be.

The crowd was armed and Trump and everyone knew it by 10 am The committee proved that. Trump didnt want the magnetometers used because he knew they were armed and they weren't there to harm him. He did nothing, instead actively pushed them to march knowing they were armed. Knowing the Capital police were understaffed and did nothing to stop or prevent it. Hutchinson said that it was only at the very end of the day under great pressure did Trump relent to make that video telling the rioters he loved them and to go home. she said he only did it as cover (to claim later) for what they just allowed to happen.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

They now have shown two of her stories weren't true. Something seems a little off to me.

Who has shown what stories are untrue?

 

[Irish#1]

Nah. I find a president ( ANY PRESIDENT) leading and insurrection and attempting to install himself after losing an election (undermining the peaceful tradition of power) is a huge fucking deal. Like the biggest fucking deal this country has ever dealt with. Sooooo…. Nah just seeing how our paper thin democracy reacts to this is important to me as a citizen. I hope any person of any walk of life, political persuasion or party is held accountable and given the maximum penalty. Can I criticize trump now without both siding this since it was literally about him and only him? Probably not lmao.

I don't necessarily disagree, but when the only time you've come back to the politics thread is to weigh in on Trump it sure looks like he's there rent free.

As far as the riot, insurrection, overthrow, attempted coup, whatever one wants to call it, the reports so far show more of one dumbass throwing a tantrum while he and a couple of his cronies try to talk or intimidate the VP and others into following, but they got no takers.

 

[Blazers46]

Nah. I find a president ( ANY PRESIDENT) leading and insurrection and attempting to install himself after losing an election (undermining the peaceful tradition of power) is a huge fucking deal. Like the biggest fucking deal this country has ever dealt with. Sooooo…. Nah just seeing how our paper thin democracy reacts to this is important to me as a citizen. I hope any person of any walk of life, political persuasion or party is held accountable and given the maximum penalty. Can I criticize trump now without both siding this since it was literally about him and only him? Probably not lmao.

I voted for Trump in 2016. I also voted for Trump in 2020. Being honest with myself I would do it again…. even knowing what I know now. The alternatives were still Hilary Clinton and our current commander that has made the White House a nursing home. Roe getting overturned was well worth it. I liked Trump in 2016 but quickly got tired of him by maybe 2018. Hoped he wouldn’t run again.

I would like to say I’d never vote for Trump in 2024 but let’s be real. If it’s Trump v Kamala we are getting raped again with either. I didn’t want to vote for him in 2020. But I did. It’s more about value and principles of the party than the values of the person. I honestly don’t think he believes what he even says he stands for but he’s a vessel to serve my interests.

Which leads me to Jan 6. His rhetoric and unwillingness to lose fired up and angered his base. He was baby on a stage crying about losing. He was never going to overturn an election through the courts or even by force. I honestly think if he were to do it all over again he would never have held a rally on Jan 6th. I really don’t think he intended it to get that far. I think he wanted to make a bunch of noise to rattle some cages and make a point. Picturing Trump lead a group of Trumpets into the Capitol I don’t think was ever the plan or thought to be something that would be possible.

I don’t think there is enough to ever say “he lead an insurrection”. The people were obviously fired up and that was Trumps fault. I think the people there saw what we posters on IE saw in 2020, full of riots and looting that has been encouraged and instigated by democratic agitators. I don’t see Trump any different than Maxine Waters or AOC or anyone on that side encouraging, instigating, and rationalizing the riots of 2020 into 2021.

Insurrection? I really don’t think much of anyone knew they would ever get into the Capitol. As you saw, it’s pretty obvious once they got in there nobody really knew what to do. Sure… there might have been a handful of people with bad intentions. But it’s pretty obvious nobody knew what the fuck they were doing. We talk about school shooting becoming normalized but so has rioting and looting. These people storming the Capitol had just as much of chance of overthrowing an election than a bunch angry BLM burning small businesses trying to stop institutional racism. Both pawns of politics and political savages.

I’m 38. When I was 28 I would never thought this behavior would be normalized. It happened here and there my whole life but not like it has the last few years. It 2020 it was essentially a tool of the left. They encouraged it for political reasons. The other side watches TV. They see their party leaders applauding these efforts. Whatever you can do I can do… it just happens these ignorant asses did it at the Capitol building. I really don’t think a lot of people appreciate or really understand these national sacred landmark. I don’t think democrats really cared much or would care much if it were them that stormed the Capitol or a similar building.

Insurrection is a fun word. It’s a word the left has used to win arguments and excuse their behaviors. It’s a trigger word that works… like calling someone a racist…. or sexist…. Homophobe. It’s such a fun word it has to be true so you can keep using it. The dems are using the Jan 6 television special to get their bases minds off inflation and how much their lives suck now in 2022. Bidens approval rating shows it’s probably not working and they should pick a new cause… they will probably turn to race fighting or gender issues next.

Trump is a dumbass. He should have NEVER been in a position to be President. Neither should have Hilary… neither should sleepy Joe. We are all fucked.

“If rape is inevitable, you might as well sit back and enjoy it”

- Bobby Knight.

If we are going to have some dumb ass as President I might as well vote for the guy that will uphold more of the values I believe in than the other person. In 2016 and 2020 we were all voting for the person that was going to rape America… I picked the person that would rape America but still allow me to enjoy the ride a little better than the others.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

According to the committee findings so far, it was a multipronged attempt to undermine the election. Started with the legal challenges in courts that were baseless , then included pushing state governors and legislations to overturn and decertify results, a pressure campaign to have Pence decertify the results and when that failed a last ditch attempt that included attacking the Capitol with armed people to stop the certification. All coordinated. All planned. Its a much worse than you are making it out to be.

The crowd was armed and Trump and everyone knew it by 10 am The committee proved that. Trump didnt want the magnetometers used because he knew they were armed and they weren't there to harm him. He did nothing, instead actively pushed them to march knowing they were armed. Knowing the Capital police were understaffed and did nothing to stop or prevent it. Hutchinson said that it was only at the very end of the day under great pressure did Trump relent to make that video telling the rioters he loved them and to go home. she said he only did it as cover (to claim later) for what they just allowed to happen.

At this point, if I'm Mike Pence, I pack my shit and take Mother to a warm weather climate to live out the rest of my days away from all these asswipes because at the end of the day none of them are my friends.

He should learn whatever the Christian translation is for "fuck you" and tell all these people to go do that.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I don't necessarily disagree, but when the only time you've come back to the politics thread is to weigh in on Trump it sure looks like he's there rent free.

As far as the riot, insurrection, overthrow, attempted coup, whatever one wants to call it, the reports so far show more of one dumbass throwing a tantrum while he and a couple of his cronies try to talk or intimidate the VP and others into following, but they got no takers.

Thats your opinion. I honestly know how 95% of people whp post in this forum will come down on any issue and its boring and nothing but confirmation bias. I came in here to post something on the committee because it hasbeen discussed in some time...shocking I know because everyone is so unbiased except me.

As to your last statement thats completely false and anyone watching the committee would know that. It was a multi-pronged process that stared the day of the election as soon as Trump was told he lost, invloved several coordinated steps to overturn the election where Jan 6 was last day to do so and when Pence allowed the certification to proceed, the crowd was let loose.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

At this point, if I'm Mike Pence, I pack my shit and take Mother to a warm weather climate to live out the rest of my days away from all these asswipes because at the end of the day none of them are my friends.

He should learn whatever the Christian translation is for "fuck you" and tell all these people to go do that.

I voted for Trump in 2016. I also voted for Trump in 2020. Being honest with myself I would do it again…. even knowing what I know now. The alternatives were still Hilary Clinton and our current commander that has made the White House a nursing home. Roe getting overturned was well worth it. I liked Trump in 2016 but quickly got tired of him by maybe 2018. Hoped he wouldn’t run again.

I would like to say I’d never vote for Trump in 2024 but let’s be real. If it’s Trump v Kamala we are getting raped again with either. I didn’t want to vote for him in 2020. But I did. It’s more about value and principles of the party than the values of the person. I honestly don’t think he believes what he even says he stands for but he’s a vessel to serve my interests.

Which leads me to Jan 6. His rhetoric and unwillingness to lose fired up and angered his base. He was baby on a stage crying about losing. He was never going to overturn an election through the courts or even by force. I honestly think if he were to do it all over again he would never have held a rally on Jan 6th. I really don’t think he intended it to get that far. I think he wanted to make a bunch of noise to rattle some cages and make a point. Picturing Trump lead a group of Trumpets into the Capitol I don’t think was ever the plan or thought to be something that would be possible.

I don’t think there is enough to ever say “he lead an insurrection”. The people were obviously fired up and that was Trumps fault. I think the people there saw what we posters on IE saw in 2020, full of riots and looting that has been encouraged and instigated by democratic agitators. I don’t see Trump any different than Maxine Waters or AOC or anyone on that side encouraging, instigating, and rationalizing the riots of 2020 into 2021.

Insurrection? I really don’t think much of anyone knew they would ever get into the Capitol. As you saw, it’s pretty obvious once they got in there nobody really knew what to do. Sure… there might have been a handful of people with bad intentions. But it’s pretty obvious nobody knew what the fuck they were doing. We talk about school shooting becoming normalized but so has rioting and looting. These people storming the Capitol had just as much of chance of overthrowing an election than a bunch angry BLM burning small businesses trying to stop institutional racism. Both pawns of politics and political savages.

I’m 38. When I was 28 I would never thought this behavior would be normalized. It happened here and there my whole life but not like it has the last few years. It 2020 it was essentially a tool of the left. They encouraged it for political reasons. The other side watches TV. They see their party leaders applauding these efforts. Whatever you can do I can do… it just happens these ignorant asses did it at the Capitol building. I really don’t think a lot of people appreciate or really understand these national sacred landmark. I don’t think democrats really cared much or would care much if it were them that stormed the Capitol or a similar building.

Insurrection is a fun word. It’s a word the left has used to win arguments and excuse their behaviors. It’s a trigger word that works… like calling someone a racist…. or sexist…. Homophobe. It’s such a fun word it has to be true so you can keep using it. The dems are using the Jan 6 television special to get their bases minds off inflation and how much their lives suck now in 2022. Bidens approval rating shows it’s probably not working and they should pick a new cause… they will probably turn to race fighting or gender issues next.

Trump is a dumbass. He should have NEVER been in a position to be President. Neither should have Hilary… neither should sleepy Joe. We are all fucked.

“If rape is inevitable, you might as well sit back and enjoy it”

- Bobby Knight.

If we are going to have some dumb ass as President I might as well vote for the guy that will uphold more of the values I believe in than the other person. In 2016 and 2020 we were all voting for the person that was going to rape America… I picked the person that would rape America but still allow me to enjoy the ride a little better than the others.

And there is no reaching you or the many people like you it seems at this point. If you can accept and rationalize what happend from Nov -Jan 6 as acceptable ( in light of all the evidence showing how anti democratic the actions taken by Trump were) or even favorable to our country thats a problem. Im not judging you but I'll never understand how someone can be ok with what happened or take what happened from Nov - Jan and be at best, ambivalent. It is the worst antidemocratic thing Ive seen in my life and if we dont learn from it, it will be done again and it will be successful the next time.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Cack, you were just as "certain" for three years about Trump's guilt, the truth in the Steele dossier & Russian collusion, and how honest and real the Senate investigation was... even told us just about every day, "This is it!" or "The walls are closing in!" or "There's the smoking gun!" or "And down he goes!" for years, only to find out it was all made up, Schiff & Co. had lied to you, it was a show trial with no credible basis, and you'd been duped. I'm not trying to be mean, but you need to come back to reality about politics and Trump and the democratic party and stop being so flipping gullible and blinded by tunnel vision.

 

[TorontoGold]

Cack, you were just as "certain" for three years about Trump's guilt, the truth in the Steele dossier & Russian collusion, and how honest and real the Senate investigation was... even told us just about every day, "This is it!" or "The walls are closing in!" or "There's the smoking gun!" or "And down he goes!" for years, only to find out it was all made up, Schiff & Co. had lied to you, it was a show trial with no credible basis, and you'd been duped. I'm not trying to be mean, but you need to come back to reality about politics and Trump and the democratic party and stop being so flipping gullible and blinded by tunnel vision.

Are you not doing the exact same thing that you're accusing him of doing with the laptop story?

It's seems disingenuous, hypocritical, and frankly weird to be tone policing on what someone can or can't post because of your opinion on what's fact/fiction on a certain topic.

Just be honest with yourself, no one is responding daily to whatever new theory is out there with the Hunter stuff - why do you feel the need to police what someone on the "other side" is doing in regards to what they feel they should post on?

Why not just debate on what the reports are, worrying about playing tone policeman or neutral arbiter is a no-win solution because everyone has their biases and it will always be present no matter the topic. Not every post by a poster needs to be full on audit of what they may or may not have posted in the past, and you want to do that at least post the posts in question otherwise it comes off as a jealous ex-girlfriend mad at you for something done ages ago.