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Missed your post! But my main issue with Kenney is his pandering to fringe right groups especially Rebel Media. As well, the UCP and their attitudes towards the health care sector. Attacking them in the middle of a pandemic seems a bit of head scratcher. His inability to rid the party of whackjobs that dilute the party, kind of like not getting rid of the QAnon people in the GOP. In essence, I see him using similar tactics to those that are popular in the GOP fringes and trying to make those mainstream in Alberta hence my point about how it's likely going to happen here. I'm still weary about Erin O'Toole and the CPC but I'm encouraged by him clearly stating the Proud Boys are an extremists group.

Anyways, sorry for missing that post you made, don't want it to seem like I was dodging it (kinda of like those that made constant posts about Antifa in the summer won't make any comments about the insurrection....hmmm)

Hopefully the vaccine rollout is going well for you guys and the powder is sweet on the hills!

Thank you for the respectful reply. Giving it some thought but will reply tomorrow.

I took exception to your post with regard to Alberta. I think the West has a lot of challenges under the Trudeau government. Challenges and no solutions. Kind of like his father.
 

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I've decided to swear off the political threads for the most part. I'll still occasionally participate in factual, informative, civil discussion, but no more of the bitter, spinning, insulting, angry BS conversations. Too much of this sort of garbage from both sides. There are better things to do with my time. This past week I had a lot more fun ignoring the political threads and instead:

1. Bought a new guitar
2. Watched a good football game
3. Had sex

Trust me, all three of those things are better than spending hours every day fighting over politics.

New guitar - couple hours
Football game - about three hours
Sex - about five minutes

What did you do with the other 18 hours and 55 minutes?
 

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Eh, that's fine with me. My close friend from high school is a doctor there. Even studied in America so I know he's alright. His family is loaded and is grateful I took him under my wing when he was an exchange student here.

Plus Brazil has an extensive German community. I could fit right in with them.
 

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Random but relevant, I guess. If you go to MyPillow website and use coupon code “Qanon”, you actually get a discount.
 

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Yeah man, utopia, we got a fucking pandemic with record numbers of deaths adding each day.
25000 troops in Washington DC
Preparing for people in an alternative reality of hate and denial.
Yeah Polish, what could go wrong?
I'm sorry you can't wear your maga gear anymore without it being looked at like a confederate or nazi flag.

Haha I don't have any MAGA gear unless you count having the American flag waving out front.

I'm only going by what Dems have promised us in utopia when they take power.

Bottom line, in case you haven't come to reality yet, is that the Dems can do whatever they want for the next 2 years. You won't be able to blame Trump or Republicans.

Very few people, left or right, are as hateful as you are.
 

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Haha I don't have any MAGA gear unless you count having the American flag waving out front.

I'm only going by what Dems have promised us in utopia when they take power.

Bottom line, in case you haven't come to reality yet, is that the Dems can do whatever they want for the next 2 years. You won't be able to blame Trump or Republicans.

Very few people, left or right, are as hateful as you are.

What have I said that was hateful?

Look man I'm not against Republicans. I'm against anyone who stands with trump the 147 that voted to contest. That's a black eye on the party for a long time.

But the moment they went all in on this guy for 8 years the GOP was doomed.

I will say I don't have a Republican bone in my body anymore with the exception of fact I wish people wouldn't abort human life, because I think it's life's a gift,
I also don't judge or condemn those that decide for abortion. I suppose that's for a higher power to judge.

I'm against anyone who causes harm, violence, stupidity, and misinformation that's detrimental to just about anyone.
I'm sorry trump didn't work out. I wish it could've/would've turned out better, but like I said several months ago, and I'm no Nostradamus, nor do I watch CNN or Fox.
He was always going down Guns a Blazing.
He's bad for anyone and so are the people that continue to support him. That's bad for everyone my friend.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The National Rifle Association says it has filed for bankruptcy and will seek to incorporate in Texas instead of New York. <a href="https://t.co/92Z855uRzi">https://t.co/92Z855uRzi</a></p>— The Associated Press (@AP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AP/status/1350202516500262913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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Missed your post! But my main issue with Kenney is his pandering to fringe right groups especially Rebel Media. As well, the UCP and their attitudes towards the health care sector. Attacking them in the middle of a pandemic seems a bit of head scratcher. His inability to rid the party of whackjobs that dilute the party, kind of like not getting rid of the QAnon people in the GOP. In essence, I see him using similar tactics to those that are popular in the GOP fringes and trying to make those mainstream in Alberta hence my point about how it's likely going to happen here. I'm still weary about Erin O'Toole and the CPC but I'm encouraged by him clearly stating the Proud Boys are an extremists group.

Anyways, sorry for missing that post you made, don't want it to seem like I was dodging it (kinda of like those that made constant posts about Antifa in the summer won't make any comments about the insurrection....hmmm)

Hopefully the vaccine rollout is going well for you guys and the powder is sweet on the hills!

As usual, I had a lengthy reply and decided it was best to delete. If/when I retire, I will provide my thoughts, observations and challenges.

I'm familiar with Rebel media but that's about it.

Ezra Levant is a very smart guy but I think his message has been largely diminished due to his delivery. Like most Albertans, not supporting him but rather an observation.
 

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Neat Clinton story. Any comments on the recent events, an astute independent like yourself would surely have something to say?

Ah the condescension & snarkiness of young Goldy. Your reading comprehension has slipped a bit. I agreed w/ Rogue’s comments on Trump’s family being trash. Redundancy is the one drawback of large message boards so I’ll let the self-appointed experts like yourself continue to rehash what everyone already knows about former President Trump. After all, I don’t want to take something away from you that you invest so much time & research to every day of the week. Carry on.
 

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Ah the condescension & snarkiness of young Goldy. Your reading comprehension has slipped a bit. I agreed w/ Rogue’s comments on Trump’s family being trash. Redundancy is the one drawback of large message boards so I’ll let the self-appointed experts like yourself continue to rehash what everyone already knows about former President Trump. After all, I don’t want to take something away from you that you invest so much time & research to every day of the week. Carry on.

Ah, got it no comment on the Proud Boys who you and YJ assured me were not an issue? You know, the anti-semitic and white nationalists who apparently I was told they had some members who weren't white made them A-Ok. Anyways, I'm sorry Parler got shutdown and it'll be tougher to read your boy David Levin!
 

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Ah, got it no comment on the Proud Boys who you and YJ assured me were not an issue? You know, the anti-semitic and white nationalists who apparently I was told they had some members who weren't white made them A-Ok. Anyways, I'm sorry Parler got shutdown and it'll be tougher to read your boy David Levin!

Similar comments on Proud Boys that you had on ANTIFA who I was assured by this board were just fighting as anti-fascists for the betterment of society. I mean who would interpret burning and looting a small business owned by a private citizen trying to survive a pandemic as terrorism? How’s that working for the Portland mayor? Are we still for defunding the police or naw?

Sorry to shatter your image but I’m not on Parler & have zero idea who David Levin is (is it pronounced ‘leaven’ or ‘la-vin’ or ‘la-veen’...LOL). I’ll google him, promise. Now make a list of all the conservatives who denounced the deplorable actions of the Proud Boys & other lunatic fringe that stormed the Capitol. Then make a list of all the Democrats/Leftists who denounced the terrorism carried out by ANTIFA/BLM over the summer & fall. Do you want to go ahead & take a guess which list is longer?

It’s amazing how soon we forget even the most recent history. That’s why I brought up the Clinton family when Rogue brought up the Trump family. If it makes your nipples hard to call it “whataboutism”....go for it. But the hypocrisy has been off the charts of what you & your ilk were ok with when the person in question has a “D” after their name vs an “R” after their name. I condemn anyone involved with the terrorism that happened at the Capitol as virulently as I condemn what happened across the nation on a weekly basis over the summer. I wish you & your ilk could do the same.
 

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I pushed back on the idea that all of BLM is bad, Antifa is a group of anarchists who have co-opted the message from BLM. I won't get into the nuance of it all because it's just not worth it. I am not on any side that shares the views of Antifa and I won't defend them, the idea of BLM I support 100% but the organization (big difference here) has some really questionable figures. For example a premium gifter like Shaun King can gtfo.

The violence was 100% denounced by Liberal media, I couldn't go 5 min without hearing Wolf Blitzer say "And of course we do not condone the violence". So if Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk want to keep pushing that message that no one denounced the violence I don't know what to tell you.

Your Clinton family post was more just airing of a long held grievance. I won't ever try to defend that family either they've got their own serious issues.
 

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Similar comments on Proud Boys that you had on ANTIFA who I was assured by this board were just fighting as anti-fascists for the betterment of society. I mean who would interpret burning and looting a small business owned by a private citizen trying to survive a pandemic as terrorism? How’s that working for the Portland mayor? Are we still for defunding the police or naw?

Sorry to shatter your image but I’m not on Parler & have zero idea who David Levin is (is it pronounced ‘leaven’ or ‘la-vin’ or ‘la-veen’...LOL). I’ll google him, promise. Now make a list of all the conservatives who denounced the deplorable actions of the Proud Boys & other lunatic fringe that stormed the Capitol. Then make a list of all the Democrats/Leftists who denounced the terrorism carried out by ANTIFA/BLM over the summer & fall. Do you want to go ahead & take a guess which list is longer?

It’s amazing how soon we forget even the most recent history. That’s why I brought up the Clinton family when Rogue brought up the Trump family. If it makes your nipples hard to call it “whataboutism”....go for it. But the hypocrisy has been off the charts of what you & your ilk were ok with when the person in question has a “D” after their name vs an “R” after their name. I condemn anyone involved with the terrorism that happened at the Capitol as virulently as I condemn what happened across the nation on a weekly basis over the summer. I wish you & your ilk could do the same.

So you want Dems to denounce what happened this summer before you and other retrumplicans can move on?
If you believe this is an eye for eye situation, you can't be helped.
I don't need an admittance of apology from retrumplicans.

I didn't see a single person from the left on here, who condoned or agreed with the summer riots.( I understand why they happened
I'm all for peaceful protest.
Those were caused by racial injustice.
We can repeat this every page to infinity in this thread.

Simple difference here
trump's cult/white nationalists/ nazis/retrumplicans/people who continue to support him, fall into the same group.

Racial injustice uprisings Not Antifa are understandable and pail in comparison to

Uprisings rooted in complete delusion/ alternate violent realities/ complete brainwashed/ 100 percent false and proved not to be true claims/ brainwashed conspiracies/ fear mongering of Socialism, they have no grounds.

trump is a sociopathic/psycho/ loser/
and his still supporters stand for evil not good.

If that's the hill people want to die on... free country right?
It's their soul not mine.

Freedom of Speech IMO
Shouldn't/ doesn't :pertain to him and the sociopathic misinformation/lies/ or the scum that he attracts, and their false/regurgitations of said bullshit listed above.
Just my hot take on morality pertaining to the constitution


The people who still support him have no place to hide, it's clear to read what they stand for.
 
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Anyone remember the debate when trump was asked to denounce proud boys and white nationalist groups?

"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by, but I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem. This is a left-wing problem," Trump said."

Real news, because I unfortunately sat through it.
And here we are.

Still got some proudies trying on here.

trump' unleashed them last week and here we are.
 

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Anyone remember the debate when trump was asked to denounce proud boys and white nationalist groups?

"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by, but I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem. This is a left-wing problem," Trump said."

Real news, because I unfortunately sat through it.
And here we are.

Still got some proudies trying on here.

trump' unleashed them last week and here we are.

You remember when Biden was asked to denounce Antifa and other groups burning and looting cities? You also remember it was Trump that asked and not Mr Wallace? And you remember he refused to denounce them because their organization is not structured enough to call an organizaion? It would have just been simple enough to just I denounce Antifa... but nope.
 

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I can’t link to it now for some reason but I read where the FBI is seeking a Geo fence warrant meaning they want to access the geolocation data for all people in and around the Capitol and if you were IN the Capitol they are coming for you.
 

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You remember when Biden was asked to denounce Antifa and other groups burning and looting cities? You also remember it was Trump that asked and not Mr Wallace? And you remember he refused to denounce them because their organization is not structured enough to call an organizaion? It would have just been simple enough to just I denounce Antifa... but nope.

Here you go
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...ndemned-antifa-violent-protests-idUSKBN2712ZA

Have anymore false radical right/ false realities I can help with?
 
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I pushed back on the idea that all of BLM is bad, Antifa is a group of anarchists who have co-opted the message from BLM. I won't get into the nuance of it all because it's just not worth it. I am not on any side that shares the views of Antifa and I won't defend them, the idea of BLM I support 100% but the organization (big difference here) has some really questionable figures. For example a premium gifter like Shaun King can gtfo.

The violence was 100% denounced by Liberal media, I couldn't go 5 min without hearing Wolf Blitzer say "And of course we do not condone the violence". So if Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk want to keep pushing that message that no one denounced the violence I don't know what to tell you.

Your Clinton family post was more just airing of a long held grievance. I won't ever try to defend that family either they've got their own serious issues.

I can agree with that. Proud Boys, IN MY OPINION, is similar to BLM in that dude that started it (Gavin Innes) started as a hipster social club (go back & read the background I posted however many months ago) that got bastardized by lunatic fringe much like Black Lives Matter (a phrase any sane person should agree with) got obfuscated by a bunch of trained Marxists. Now if Gavin Innes turns out to be part of all that, then I stand corrected & will acknowledge I was wrong.

I won’t get into the nuance of your “100% of the Left denounced” all the terrorism this summer b/c it’s just not true. Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters & others are on unedited video saying as much. But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt in saying you’re no defender of folks like Pelosi, Waters, etc.

My Clinton family post was a simple example that Trump cannot be the only source of dysfunction & horrible morals held in American modern politics. It didn’t have to be Clinton, but he just so happened to be the touch point where all past skeletons were absolved for the sake of getting the economy & legislation voters wanted (this is the same thing a lot of Trump voters will admit in good faith as you know). The press probably hid too much personal stuff back in the 1940s up until Nixon & then they swung too far to the other side in 1992. At some point, the Left & the MSM is going to have to resist allowing Trump a platform and move on. Granted, Trump won’t go away quietly, but shouldn’t the MSM be better than that?
 

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Here you go
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...ndemned-antifa-violent-protests-idUSKBN2712ZA

Have anymore false radical right/ false realities I can help with?

Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc

We were specifically talking about the debate. Liberals got their gotcha moment at the debate forgetting Trump has probably denounced more times than the history of Presidents combined. If you can link an article after the fact and claim Biden fully denounced antifa, you would have to make the same for Trump. But you wont.
 
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Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc

We were specifically talking about the debate. Liberals got their gotcha moment at the debate forgetting Trump has probably denounced more times than the history of Presidents combined. If you can link an article after the fact and claim Biden fully denounced antifa, you would have to make the same for Trump. But you wont.

Be honest, how many My pillows did you have coming your way?
 

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I can agree with that. Proud Boys, IN MY OPINION, is similar to BLM in that dude that started it (Gavin Innes) started as a hipster social club (go back & read the background I posted however many months ago) that got bastardized by lunatic fringe much like Black Lives Matter (a phrase any sane person should agree with) got obfuscated by a bunch of trained Marxists. Now if Gavin Innes turns out to be part of all that, then I stand corrected & will acknowledge I was wrong.

I won’t get into the nuance of your “100% of the Left denounced” all the terrorism this summer b/c it’s just not true. Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters & others are on unedited video saying as much. But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt in saying you’re no defender of folks like Pelosi, Waters, etc.

My Clinton family post was a simple example that Trump cannot be the only source of dysfunction & horrible morals held in American modern politics. It didn’t have to be Clinton, but he just so happened to be the touch point where all past skeletons were absolved for the sake of getting the economy & legislation voters wanted (this is the same thing a lot of Trump voters will admit in good faith as you know). The press probably hid too much personal stuff back in the 1940s up until Nixon & then they swung too far to the other side in 1992. At some point, the Left & the MSM is going to have to resist allowing Trump a platform and move on. Granted, Trump won’t go away quietly, but shouldn’t the MSM be better than that?

Just wanted to check - is Gavin McInnes ok in your opinion?
 
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