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It's been an interesting evening. I doubt anyone's mind was changed about anything and I probably should've spent this time reading or catching up on sleep. Apologies to any I've offended, and best wishes to the rest of you. Until tomorrow...
 

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It's been an interesting evening. I doubt anyone's mind was changed about anything and I probably should've spent this time reading or catching up on sleep. Apologies to any I've offended, and best wishes to the rest of you. Until tomorrow...

Football or politics, I always respect your well-thought posts Bishop. You're a good man in my books.

Cheers and Go Tide!! (This is the last time I say that... LOL)
 

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You guys are totally full of shit and really toeing the line here. There have been riots throughout the history of the United States. They're wrong, destruction of property is wrong.

A riot like in LA or Seattle or whatever is not the same as traitors waving Confederate flags storming the US Capitol Building as part of an attempt to undo the results of an election. They literally displaced Congress and prevented them from certifying the results of our President. They closed down one of our branches of government and forced them into hiding. They planted a bomb at the RNC.

If you can't see why that is different from than ANTIFA causing property damage, or the LA race riots, or many other examples of activist property destruction then you're being willfully ignorant.

This. THIS.

If you can't differentiate between a group of citizens protesting against unjust killings versus a group of morons trying to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power, I just don't know what to say.
 

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Bishop's game is to calmly present whataboutisms, false equivalencies, and complain about the victimization of conservatives by media, elites, or other boogeyman. It looks like wisdom if someone is in the bubble with him.

Yeah, but he likes hot chicks, so he's sort of cool in my book. See, on this day of chaos and madness, we can all find common ground.
 

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Bishop this is what our County Auditor posted to her Facebook two weeks ago. So now you've officially seen one crazy Trumper. Trust me, they exist. This has 140 "likes" lol

Also is a pretty solid example of someone with Trump reservations changing their mind and now worshiping him.


I feel the same things about Mr. Belvedere .

Mr. Belvedere is.. the light of my life. I know I speak for the others when I say he is.. so amazing.. you know? And, he’s just.. I wish. I could know him more, you know? Because.. he is one of a kind, you know? He’s.. I think about him all the time, and.. well, I’m wondering – should we kill him?
 

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I could not agree with this post any more. 100% how i feel.

1. I don't think borders should be open to the masses i think people should be allowed in via a legit process

2006 called and they want their border issues back.

If by "legit process" you mean a lobbyist-written process in which we cap the number of immigrants on an equal basis for each country thereby making it artificially difficult for Mexicans to use a "legit" process, then yeah we're doing super. It's almost like corporations were upset that their crucial Mexican farm workers had the audacity to organize for better conditions so they got the US government to make them illegal but not do anything about it so they could still get their cheap and unorganizeable labor pool. Nice!

...but even considering that, you don't really have a point because Mexicans illegal immigration peaked IN TWO THOUSAND AND SEVEN. Thanks, Obama.

2. I don't believe biological males should use female restrooms and participate in female sports.

This is a really big issue and frankly I don't understand why the President hasn't alerted the Pentagon.

3. Less taxes

4. Smaller government

...what if I told you that under Donald Trump the size of the federal government has increased, the deficit has exploded, and his middle class tax cuts were a mixed bag depending on which state you lived in.

However, the wealthy in this country, who prior to Trump were wealthier than they'd ever been, and were getting even wealthier at the fastest rate in recorded history....recieved a cool trillion in tax cuts.

F I S C A L R E S P O N S I B I L I T Y

5. Taking care of the people in our country before we do others

Preferably gutting health care. Right?

6. Gun rights

...got me there. The Democrats have a clear history of....taking guns?

7. I dont think you should be able to just randomly decide to abort babies. Certainly not passed a certain time frame. Cases of rape and incest should be decided early as soon as pregnancy is learned of.

...what if I told you abortion rates have dropped every year since Roe vs Wade and they drop faster when Democrats are President?

8. Not allowing other countries to profit off our country at the expense of the american worker.

That's why I'm glad we hired a guy who committed to not making his clothing line in China. He put his money where his mouth is and began employing hardworking Americans....wait.

9. There is TOO much gap in the thought processes of Americans to keep this thing whole in my opinion.

....clearly.

910. I think social platforms have a very high risk of creating dependency and should be minimalized.

You know Congress finally passed a work requirement for Welfare right? Back in August. August....of 1996.

To add a few other points.

1a. Social media is terrible for this country.
2a. Main stream media is not any better.

Now this we agree on.
If all this makes me a bad person in your eyes, so be it. Quite frankly i give zero shits. I think government is corrupt and those that are there, left or right are in it for the prestige, money, etc and not for ANY of US.

It doesn't make you a bad person. It just makes you someone who adheres to bullshit political tropes.
 

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This. THIS.

If you can't differentiate between a group of citizens protesting against unjust killings versus a group of morons trying to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power, I just don't know what to say.

We can differentiate between that.

We can't differentiate between blinding federal officers with laser pointers, storming and destroying federal buildings, police stations, businesses and neighborhoods, tearing down statues and memorials, taking over parts of cities and declaring them autonomous from the United States, beating senseless anybody who disagrees or tries to defend themselves or there property and what happened today.

You do realize all of that and much more happened right? Night after night after night after night. For months. M-o-n-t-h-s. I guess you could even say it was a block party in some cases.

Again, you want us to be outraged. Where have you been for 6 months? We shrug and yawn. Been there, done that.
 
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Finally had the chance to get caught up on today's news. Good Lord. Not great, pretty bad all around.

As for folks trying to make this worse than the BLM/Summer stuff...I can't really vibe with that. The summer stuff impacted people. People owning businesses and what not. The stuff today, albeit shocking, did not do that at least. Still beyond dumb. Genuinely have no idea what people think rioting accomplishes.

I'm shocked only one person was shot or killed or whatever. I'm not a fan of the federal government by any stretch of the imagination but when you go at a Federal building, particularly the center of one of the three branches of government, I would have expected more to be shot/killed and they would have had no reason to be surprised if that was the response.

Shocking all around. Wild to see the capitol stormed like the Bastille. What a time to be alive eh?
 

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I hear that some trumpers are taking it to the local state houses.
If not there you might check the North Dakota State House or New York...

Right here buddy. I spent the day watching The English Game on Netflix lol. Shoveled the driveway too. Was a relaxing day until I hopped on to check the news.
 

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You guys are totally full of shit and really toeing the line here. There have been riots throughout the history of the United States. They're wrong, destruction of property is wrong.

A riot like in LA or Seattle or whatever is not the same as traitors waving Confederate flags storming the US Capitol Building as part of an attempt to undo the results of an election. They literally displaced Congress and prevented them from certifying the results of our President. They closed down one of our branches of government and forced them into hiding. They planted a bomb at the RNC.

If you can't see why that is different from than ANTIFA causing property damage, or the LA race riots, or many other examples of activist property destruction then you're being willfully ignorant.

ANTIFA didn't merely destroy property. They barricaded a federal courthouse and attempted to light it on fire. With people side im like 99% sure.

They have turned one of their guys who was killed trying to blow up a Federal facility into a martyr.

So yeah. Its very easy to draw parallels between the two. Could even try to argue the antifa stuff was worse since their actions much more clearly demonstrate an intent to harm others.

The big difference between the two, is the level of federal property attacked. The US congress is a shocking place to go. Lol. Personally, if you go after a Federal facility, I think you could be shot and nobody should be surprised and should generally assume you understood that to be a likely result.

I think I saw Oahu claim "this is different because in the summer it was about "racial justice" or however it was phrased while today was not.

My problem there is when you make excuses/justifications for one you give anyone with an equally passionate opinion/view encouragement to do the same. Maybe they'd have done what they did today regardless of what happened this summer, but I don't think the two actions are really all that terribly different.

These folks are dumb. A part of me hopes they get in the same amount of trouble as all of the summer rioters for the sake of consistency, but deep down I hope they face the same consequences I wanted the summer folks to face. Harsh ones.

Hope nobody here got impacted personally by all this. Have only read a few of the posts. Ugly deal all around. Nice to see Congress come together a bit in messaging. The bloodshed could have and really should have been much worse.
 
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Hmm. Finally caught up myself.

So let me get this straight. A group of people that have been persecuted for the better part of 400 years have finally had enough and decided to protest, while mostly peaceful except for some turds that looted and set fire to some buildings.
Is the same as a government coup? Incited by a lame duck president who is grasping at any handle to stay in power to avoid criminal prosecutions once he is no longer president? (Including issues stemming from the Mueller report). Last I heard sedition, insurrection and treason were bandied about in conservative circles about the Clinton's and Obama via Qanon. But here we are, these capital raiders were just red neck hucksters never meanin no harm..

Bishop: I'm not sure what social media you frequent. But my experience has been (via Facebook, Tiktok and Parler) and when grandmothers are seriously talking about sedition and insurrection the problem is deeper than you think.
I really cannot believe I'd see the day where any American citizen would shrug off this event as "oh well, the blacks did it all summer."
 

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Hmm. Finally caught up myself.

So let me get this straight. A group of people that have been persecuted for the better part of 400 years have finally had enough and decided to protest, while mostly peaceful except for some turds that looted and set fire to some buildings.
Is the same as a government coup? Incited by a lame duck president who is grasping at any handle to stay in power to avoid criminal prosecutions once he is no longer president? (Including issues stemming from the Mueller report). Last I heard sedition, insurrection and treason were bandied about in conservative circles about the Clinton's and Obama via Qanon. But here we are, these capital raiders were just red neck hucksters never meanin no harm..

Bishop: I'm not sure what social media you frequent. But my experience has been (via Facebook, Tiktok and Parler) and when grandmothers are seriously talking about sedition and insurrection the problem is deeper than you think.
I really cannot believe I'd see the day where any American citizen would shrug off this event as "oh well, the blacks did it all summer."


So let me get this straight. A group of people that are pretty sure an election was stolen had enough and decided to protest, while mostly peaceful except for some turds that looted and bust up a Federal building.

^ do I agree with this paragraph? No. But you basically wrote it for me.

It's unnecessary to justify one to put down the other. It's really easy to say that both situations were bad. Can argue about degrees of bad, but neither action was remotely justified.
 

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Three thoughts are going through my mind tonight.

1. What would four more years of Trump seeking vengeance or retribution on his perceived enemies have been like?
2. Would Republicans who have supported his Presidency for his term would continue supporting tacitly as well as the "100% standing with the President" if he won?
3. What would have been their fate if Capitol police had not prevented the intrusion before they did and the mob would have found Nancy Pelosi, the Squad, "enemies of the people", etc. on the floor of Congress or in their offices where they retreated? Would it have been their "heads on a pike" as Steve Bannon advised?
 
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That seems to make you a Conservative Republican and think it’s personally reasonable that you would vote for him over his last two opponents . What I’ve seen from many (personally) is a total devotion and belief in everything Donald Trump says and anyone who disagrees with him is a traitor. It’s really crazy, IMO.

Bishop this is what our County Auditor posted to her Facebook two weeks ago. So now you've officially seen one crazy Trumper. Trust me, they exist. This has 140 "likes" lol

Also is a pretty solid example of someone with Trump reservations changing their mind and now worshiping him.


Three thoughts are going through my mind tonight.

1. What would four more years of Trump seeking vengeance or retribution on his perceived enemies have been like?
2. Would Republicans who have supported his Presidency for his term would continue supporting tacitly as well as the "100% standing with the President" if he won?
3. What would have been their fate if Capitol police had not prevented the intrusion before they did and the mob would have found Nancy Pelosi, the Squad, "enemies of the people", etc. on the floor of Congress or in their offices where they retreated? Would it have been their "heads on a pike" as Steve Bannon advised?

I'm not buying that the vast majority of Republicans are Trumpers or approve of any of this. This is a small minority, just like the rioters on the left are a small minority.

Having watched a lot of the coverage from several stations, calling this a coup or attempted coup is not accurate. Most of the footage I saw showed unarmed people. I'm sure there were some there with guns, but what I saw showed these idiots walking around inside carrying flags or taking pictures. This was a riot no doubt as they also destroyed property, but they never took control of the building or hostages that resulted in a standoff.

Waiting to see how many of his staff and appointed positions bail on him in the next few days.
 

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I'm not buying that the vast majority of Republicans are Trumpers or approve of any of this. This is a small minority, just like the rioters on the left are a small minority.

Having watched a lot of the coverage from several stations, calling this a coup or attempted coup is not accurate. Most of the footage I saw showed unarmed people. I'm sure there were some there with guns, but what I saw showed these idiots walking around inside carrying flags or taking pictures. This was a riot no doubt as they also destroyed property, but they never took control of the building or hostages that resulted in a standoff.

Waiting to see how many of his staff and appointed positions bail on him in the next few days.

Respectfully.... it was insurrection and seditious at best. Mitt Romney used those exact words addressing his party objectors last night. They did occupy the building. They did shutdown and terrified the largest power center of our government and sent everyone into hiding. 4 people died in the building (1 woman shot for attempting to by pass a blockade with SS people telling her not to come forward. 3 others for medical reasons). PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE BUILDING.

They ransacked offices, stole computers and files. People left so quick they left their secure computers open and on. The ballots had to be rescued and secured while the seige was happening. I cant begin to understand how much of a counterintelligence nightmare this creates.

They placed multiple explosive devices around the area. They WERE armed.

This wasnt rambunctious teenagers pitching a fit ("golly gee wilickers... there they go again" + sad face...it was an ARMED INSURRECTION designed to stall or upset a peaceful transition of power and the foundations of our republic and TERRORIZE. Our democracy is precious and fragile (clearly) and the constant undermining of the election by the GOP and Trump lead to and emboldened these sick fucks to action.

I dont think we can understand what this looks to other countries across the world but I do know it makes us look very weak and very much in trouble.

The six senators and 140 Reps that continued to object after this event are TRAITORS.

There isnt a both sides to this event. This event lands squarely on conservatives being stoked to action by conservative congressman and backed and egged on by Trump and his trollsheviks.
 
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The ultimate question regarding Trumps popularity within the Republican Party is this.......

Hypothetical Republican Primary 4 years from now.... Trump vs the best Republican candidate that you can think of, two candidates only..... who wins?
 

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Lol you have no ground to stand on

I've been here more than a decade and bring arguments/ topics that show I have at least half a brain. Most of us thought you were 14 based on your posts. All you do is call people names who you don't agree with. Grade school level debate.

Your level of self-awareness is so low you don't even realize how silly you sound when you post.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From <a href="https://twitter.com/YouGov?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@YouGov</a> poll: among Republican voters, 45% approve of the storming of Capitol, 30% think the perpetrators are 'patriots', 52% think Biden is at least partly to blame for it, and 85% think it would be inappropriate to remove Trump from office after this. This is not a fringe. <a href="https://t.co/Kiysi8lyp1">pic.twitter.com/Kiysi8lyp1</a></p>— Silvia Merler (@SMerler) <a href="https://twitter.com/SMerler/status/1347089854958596098?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I was wrong. It wasnt 32%. OMM was closer.
 

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Do people realize that "Trump supporters" are not that, some of us are just smart enough to vote policy over personality?

- Lower taxes
- Less powerful government
- Strong military
- 2nd ammendment
- Reduced waste
- Taking care of Veterans
- Not aborting babies by the tens of millions
- etc.

I can't speak for everyone but I'm only a "Trump supporter" in that I will vote for his policies 10/10 times. His personality is terrible but when the opposing side is the "aw shucks" uncle with terrible democratic policies, you vote policy 10/10 times.

Socialism is 0/42 in modern history.
 

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I'm not buying that the vast majority of Republicans are Trumpers or approve of any of this. This is a small minority, just like the rioters on the left are a small minority.

Having watched a lot of the coverage from several stations, calling this a coup or attempted coup is not accurate. Most of the footage I saw showed unarmed people. I'm sure there were some there with guns, but what I saw showed these idiots walking around inside carrying flags or taking pictures. This was a riot no doubt as they also destroyed property, but they never took control of the building or hostages that resulted in a standoff.

Waiting to see how many of his staff and appointed positions bail on him in the next few days.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">45 percent of Republican voters support storming of Capitol building: poll <a href="https://t.co/oaInLL1PaH">https://t.co/oaInLL1PaH</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Newsweek?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Newsweek</a></p>— Jason Lemon (@JasonLemon) <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonLemon/status/1347181987455512576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's not the vast majority, but it's a shockingly large percentage. The hardcore Trump flank of the Republican party has embraced misinformation and a win-by-any-cost mentality. All they care about is their guy retaining power.
 

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The ultimate question regarding Trumps popularity within the Republican Party is this.......

Hypothetical Republican Primary 4 years from now.... Trump vs the best Republican candidate that you can think of, two candidates only..... who wins?

The @GOP is at a crossroads IMO. They have to decide is Trumpism the way forward or is there a centrist non-fascist position that is feasible.

IMO its a split party right now where the moderate Rs will have to choose to go independent or join the Trumpers. I dont think what a Republican actually is now is even very clear anymore. The dead horses they like to kick while Dems are in control have ALL been exposed as bullshit by Trump. They do have one thing in common... they arent interested in governing.
 

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Do people realize that "Trump supporters" are not that, some of us are just smart enough to vote policy over personality?

- Lower taxes
- Less powerful government
- Strong military
- 2nd ammendment
- Reduced waste
- Taking care of Veterans
- Not aborting babies by the tens of millions
- etc.

I can't speak for everyone but I'm only a "Trump supporter" in that I will vote for his policies 10/10 times. His personality is terrible but when the opposing side is the "aw shucks" uncle with terrible democratic policies, you vote policy 10/10 times.

Socialism is 0/42 in modern history.

So given that fact, and what we saw yesterday, would you support Trump being removed from office today and replaced with someone like Mike Pence who actually acts like an adult? Or are you OK with someone like Trump retaining power even with the antics of the past two months?
 

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So given that fact, and what we saw yesterday, would you support Trump being removed from office today and replaced with someone like Mike Pence who actually acts like an adult? Or are you OK with someone like Trump retaining power even with the antics of the past two months?

What exactly did he do? I may not be up to speed. And don't say he didn't condemn them and tell them to stop and leave because I saw that already.

So what did he do? If the argument is "he let it happen", not only Joe Biden but the entire left was dead SILENT for 3 months and they never tried to stop it until it was obvious that it was hurting their approval.

So let me know what he did that Biden hasn't already did. Then I'll answer your question and ask you if Biden should be removed from consideration as well.
 

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What exactly did he do? I may not be up to speed. And don't say he didn't condemn them and tell them to stop and leave because I saw that already.

So what did he do? If the argument is "he let it happen", not only Joe Biden but the entire left was dead SILENT for 3 months and they never tried to stop it until it was obvious that it was hurting their approval.

So let me know what he did that Biden hasn't already did. Then I'll answer your question and ask you if Biden should be removed from consideration as well.

....wait you truly believe that anyone remotely associated with Antifa and to a lesser extent BLM are Biden fans? Dude. The protests won't stop once Biden is in control, he just won't gas them for a photo op.
 

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I dont think we can understand what this looks to other countries across the world but I do know it makes us look very weak and very much in trouble.

The six senators and 140 Reps that continued to object after this event are TRAITORS.

There isnt a both sides to this event.

I believe that Democrats have played similar procedural games during the last couple Republican presidential victories. Are they traitors as well?
 

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“If you are a lobbyist that never gave us money I didn’t talk to you. If you’re a lobbyist who gave us money, I might talk to you.”

Mick Mulvaney, cunt who just resigned.
 

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I've been here more than a decade and bring arguments/ topics that show I have at least half a brain. Most of us thought you were 14 based on your posts. All you do is call people names who you don't agree with. Grade school level debate.

Your level of self-awareness is so low you don't even realize how silly you sound when you post.

Thank you for your IE resume. 10 years of experience..
Impressive.
You are loyal to trump. You might want to keep that off a resume.
 
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