Trump Presidency

[Bishop2b5]

I have every one of your posts. I am glad that you have clarified your position in this post, which was a concern of mine.

Your statement:


seemed to provide some excuse for the anarchy that invade our government today.

No, I was by no means excusing them. I was simply trying to make the point that they weren't really a serious threat to our government nor to stopping the transfer of power.

 

[arahop]

This clown is good for free entertainment most of the time, but mods on this? Anyone? No place at IE for this garbage.

Lol you have no ground to stand on

 

[pkt77242]

But how is that any worse or any more of a danger to us than the takeover of multiple police stations, the assault on a federal courthouse, the very real attempt to simply shut down police forces in several areas, or the destruction of real people's homes & businesses? Of course it's "different." EVERY event is different. It's not worse or more dangerous, though. Today, as bad as it was, wasn't really a coup attempt. Let's be real. A few buffoons are not toppling a government of this size and were never a remote threat to do so. There was ZERO chance of them stopping the transfer of power. They were angry, frustrated fools acting out. The BLM and Antifa riots were orders of magnitude more destructive, caused several deaths, were MUCH more disruptive in both magnitude and length of time, and did far more damage to the institutions of government and society. I'm not defending the idiots today. I'm 100% condemning them, but this was over in a matter of hours and did a tiny fraction of the damage we've seen from the radical Left this past year.

Sorry but this is utterly false. Our current President through his action and words incited people to try to disrupt the certification of his opponent’s victory and disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. As far as importance to our democracy that is a major fucking deal. All over allegations of widespread fraud that they have no real evidence of and that the courts and states have rejected. To compare that to protests of very real systemic racial injustice (though the destruction of property was wrong and should and has been condemned) is plain bull crap.

 

[Bishop2b5]

You've roasted yourself. We get it. BLM and police stations those are local level crimes not national security.
You're weak . You got too much trump and right up your ass

The grownups are having a discussion here, OK?

 

[arahop]

I think part of the problem is that many of us felt this outrage 6 months ago. And it happened day after day, week after week and month after month. We were outraged, indignant and incredulous that this was happening. We wanted everyone to be just as angry.

Eventually, we just threw our hands up, shrugged and said 'screw it. Nobody else cares, why should we? Get a gun and protect your home and family'.

Now this happens and because it's Trump supporters disrupting a Democrat having his day, some of you are outraged. And you are outraged that WE aren't outraged. We are. And we are sad. But it's not fresh to us. We are numb to it. We are jaded.

What's another riot or protest or coup or insurrection or whatever you want to call it?

This actually makes sense. My beliefs are that this divide has happened bc of a sociopath. trump. He invokes this.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Sorry but this is utterly false. Our current President through his action and words incited people to try to disrupt the certification of his opponent’s victory and disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. As far as importance to our democracy that is a major fucking deal. All over allegations of widespread fraud that they have no real evidence of and that the courts and states have rejected. To compare that to protests of very real systemic racial injustice (though the destruction of property was wrong and should and has been condemned) is plain bull crap.

But there was SOOOOOO much more to it this past year than protests and destruction of property. The rest WAS a direct assault on and danger to our democracy, civilization, an orderly society, good governance and the rule of law. Spinning it as "mostly peaceful protests" and mere property damage is incredibly inaccurate and dishonest.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Does anybody actually think that these idiots were actually trying to overthrow the US government today?
Because if they were, I'm assuming special forces stormed the capitol and double tapped any 'coup participator' that didn't immediately surrender. Then, rounded up all prisoners and interrogated them of any and all financiers and collaborators inside the country and out, including military officers and shadow government officials who would have been in on such a HUGE term to describe what happened.

What hostages were taken? What were the terms? Was a term the immediate declaration of Trump for life? All us military forces leave washington DC until new government can form and dissolve Congress and any unfriendly military officers?

I'm trying to figure out what actually happened today because it sounds like there was a big March, some idiots got out of hand and forced their way into the capitol so they could disrupt, make noise, wave flags and embarrass the the voting process.

 

[Bluto]

But there was SOOOOOO much more to it this past year than protests and destruction of property. The rest WAS a direct assault on and danger to our democracy, civilization, an orderly society, good governance and the rule of law. Spinning it as "mostly peaceful protests" and mere property damage is incredibly inaccurate and dishonest.

Lol.

 

[Legacy]

But there was SOOOOOO much more to it this past year than protests and destruction of property. The rest WAS a direct assault on and danger to our democracy, civilization, an orderly society, good governance and the rule of law. Spinning it as "mostly peaceful protests" and mere property damage is incredibly inaccurate and dishonest.

I am someone who did make those points and did note the dangers of the domestic terrorist groups. Your criticism is noted with due respect to your opinion.

As a point, Hawley's objection to the Penn vote, I believe, has been litigated through state and federal courts and dismissed.

 

[pkt77242]

But there was SOOOOOO much more to it this past year than protests and destruction of property. The rest WAS a direct assault on and danger to our democracy, civilization, an orderly society, good governance and the rule of law. Spinning it as "mostly peaceful protests" and mere property damage is incredibly inaccurate and dishonest.

LOL. Now you are trolling....right? To compare the two is intellectually dishonest.

 

[Greenore]

Serious question... and again, no dog in this fight... does "45" get a Presidential library after all of this?

 

[NDRock]

Does anybody actually think that these idiots were actually trying to overthrow the US government today?
Because if they were, I'm assuming special forces stormed the capitol and double tapped any 'coup participator' that didn't immediately surrender. Then, rounded up all prisoners and interrogated them of any and all financiers and collaborators inside the country and out, including military officers and shadow government officials who would have been in on such a HUGE term to describe what happened.

What hostages were taken? What were the terms? Was a term the immediate declaration of Trump for life? All us military forces leave washington DC until new government can form and dissolve Congress and any unfriendly military officers?

I'm trying to figure out what actually happened today because it sounds like there was a big March, some idiots got out of hand and forced their way into the capitol so they could disrupt, make noise, wave flags and embarrass the the voting process.

Seemed like they were just following cues from their leader. Honestly, it's amazing the draw Trump has. First time in my life where I can understand up close how a leader could take over a county. Not going to happen with Trump but you can see the seeds of how people become infatuated with a strong leader. I work with quite a few. So weird to happen in this county as it's very un-American to me.

 

[pkt77242]

If you think that they are the same look at how Republicans have been responding tonight.

Republican Sen. Mitt Romney condemned today's attack on the Capitol as an "insurrection" and pleaded with his Republican colleagues to drop their objections against the Electoral College votes and inform their constituents of Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 election.

"What happened here today was an insurrection incited by the President of the United States," said the junior senator from Utah, speaking from the Senate floor.
Romney then warned his GOP colleagues, who have continued to mislead about the 2020 election, that they were endangering the health of the American democracy and tarnishing their own legacies.

"Those who choose to continue to support his dangerous gambit by objecting to the results of a legitimate democratic election will forever be seen as being complicit on an unprecedented attack against our democracy," he said. "...They will be remembered for their role in this shameful episode, in American history. That will be their legacy."

Romney said lawmakers carry a responsibility to stand up for the truth regardless of the political cost.

"The best way we can show respect for the voters who are upset is by telling them the truth," he said.

"I urge my colleagues to move forward with completing the electoral count, to refrain from further objections and to unanimously affirm the legitimacy of the presidential election," Romney concluded.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/congress-electoral-college-vote-count-2021/index.html

 

[Irish#1]

I’m wondering if this would have happened if we didn’t have the riots earlier this year?

 

[pkt77242]

I’m wondering if this would have happened if we didn’t have the riots earlier this year?

It would have happened no matter what happened during the summer. Trump was never going quietly.

 

[Greenore]

I’m wondering if this would have happened if we didn’t have the riots earlier this year?

I think you are sniffing up the right tree. Lots of pissed off people and (it seems) little consequences for their actions. EVERYONE claims to be a victim!

 

[TorontoGold]

I’m wondering if this would have happened if we didn’t have the riots earlier this year?

Charlottesville is likely more an influence.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I’m wondering if this would have happened if we didn’t have the riots earlier this year?

It was inevitable. He is a wannabe dictator and has never accepted a loss as what it is.

 

[NDRock]

I’m wondering if this would have happened if we didn’t have the riots earlier this year?

Probably a long time coming. I'm sure they played a part.

 

[Greenore]

It was inevitable. He is a wannabe dictator and has never accepted a loss as what it is.

Well, if that is true, then God must love stupid people because he made so many of them.

One thing to attend a peaceful protest/demonstration but quite another to violate law and intentionally cause damage to property or person(s).

I've got a feeling that the next eight years are going to be extremely challenging... likely on a global scale.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Serious question... and again, no dog in this fight... does "45" get a Presidential library after all of this?

"Hi my name is Megan and welcome to the Donald J. Trump Presidential Library, to the right is the room where we keep all of the briefings he never read. They still have their security sticker on them so they're in mint condition. To the left is a highlight reel of his best golf games."

Or more realistically his Presidential Library will be a cart he pushes around for the inmates.

 

[NEIIrish]

Lol, the leftist get a tiny bit of their own treatment and lose their minds. Cuck

 

[Bishop2b5]

Seemed like they were just following cues from their leader. Honestly, it's amazing the draw Trump has. First time in my life where I can understand up close how a leader could take over a county. Not going to happen with Trump but you can see the seeds of how people become infatuated with a strong leader. I work with quite a few. So weird to happen in this county as it's very un-American to me.

From reading hundreds of posts in this forum over the past few years, I'm convinced that most non-conservatives have a very distorted and misinformed view of why people voted for Trump or how most of us on the Right feel about him. Other than a very small minority of zealots, most of us are by no means card carrying members of some Trumpian cult of personality. Heck, a lot of us don't really like him. There's certainly no idolization a la Hitler or Mao or Stalin (or Bernie or Hillary). About 95% of his appeal to most of us is utilitarian: he kept Hillary from the Oval Office, he has appointed conservative judges and SCOTUS justices, he cut taxes and had the economy smoking until covid, and he drove the far Left into a meltdown, which we found amusing.

All this MAGA fanatacism, cult of personality, desire for him to be the Supreme Leader for Life nonsense is about 99% nonexistent. The whole MAGA thing was just a typical campaign slogan. It was the Left who made it into some imaginary cult. I know a lot of conservatives -about 90% of my friends & family - and I don't know a single one of them who views Trump with any more enthusiasm, hero worship, yada yada yada than anyone has ever viewed any other president. Certainly less than the Bernie fanatics view Bernie or how so many viewed Obama as "The Chosen One."

Trust me on this one. About 99% of us just saw him as the lesser of two evils compared to Hillary or like what he did for the economy, our taxes and the judiciary. All of that Trump worship, brainwashed, Hitlerian obsessive following, cult of personality stuff is made up silliness to smear one side the same way the Right tries to paint every liberal as a raving, Lenin loving commie. It's not applicable to the VAST majority.

 

[BilboBaggins]

The Senate has resumed and its restoring my faith in America a little bit. Some good speeches by Republicans and Democrats alike. Ben Sasse killed it... he is great. Hope he runs in 2024.

I have a sneaking suspicion a lot of Republicans see this whole ordeal as a golden opportunity to get off the Trump train. One last outrageous moment to use to their advantage and call for a return to normalcy.

My bigger concern is what is going to happen to the Trumpers looking for their next authoritarian---errrr, messiah. If 2008's reaction to Obama birthed the Tea Party...what in the fucking fuck is Biden's term going to be filled with? The crazies are crazier and at this point, encouraged. Glenn Beck has been replaced by OANN and a Facebook algorithm profiting off of their slow descent into make believe Trumplandia.

 

[IrishLax]

Annnnnnnnd we’re back to reality....
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Matt Gaetz on the House floor just claimed that facial recognition software has determined that it was actually antifa that invaded the Capitol today. This was met by applause from his fellow Republicans.<br><br>This is the story they are really going to go with.</p>— Scott Santens🧢🏄*♂️ (@scottsantens) <a href="https://twitter.com/scottsantens/status/1347022810892410880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[pkt77242]

From reading hundreds of posts in this forum over the past few years, I'm convinced that most non-conservatives have a very distorted and misinformed view of why people voted for Trump or how most of us on the Right feel about him. Other than a very small minority of zealots, most of us are by no means card carrying members of some Trumpian cult of personality. Heck, a lot of us don't really like him. There's certainly no idolization a la Hitler or Mao or Stalin (or Bernie or Hillary). About 95% of his appeal to most of us is utilitarian: he kept Hillary from the Oval Office, he has appointed conservative judges and SCOTUS justices, he cut taxes and had the economy smoking until covid, and he drove the far Left into a meltdown, which we found amusing.

All this MAGA fanatacism, cult of personality, desire for him to be the Supreme Leader for Life nonsense is about 99% nonexistent. The whole MAGA thing was just a typical campaign slogan. It was the Left who made it into some imaginary cult. I know a lot of conservatives -about 90% of my friends & family - and I don't know a single one of them who views Trump with any more enthusiasm, hero worship, yada yada yada than anyone has ever viewed any other president. Certainly less than the Bernie fanatics view Bernie or how so many viewed Obama as "The Chosen One."

Trust me on this one. About 99% of us just saw him as the lesser of two evils compared to Hillary or like what he did for the economy, our taxes and the judiciary. All of that Trump worship, brainwashed, Hitlerian obsessive following, cult of personality stuff is made up silliness to smear one side the same way the Right tries to paint every liberal as a raving, Lenin loving commie. It's not applicable to the VAST majority.

This is complete and utter bullshit. Over 2/3 of Republicans believe that the presidential election wasn’t free and fair. Even though the states (many with Republicans leadership like Georgia and Arizona) have certified the results and court cases continue to go against Trump. You might lie to yourself about why Republicans/conservatives support him but you are wrong.

 

[BilboBaggins]

All this MAGA fanatacism, cult of personality, desire for him to be the Supreme Leader for Life nonsense is about 99% nonexistent. The whole MAGA thing was just a typical campaign slogan. It was the Left who made it into some imaginary cult. I know a lot of conservatives -about 90% of my friends & family - and I don't know a single one of them who views Trump with any more enthusiasm, hero worship, yada yada yada than anyone has ever viewed any other president. Certainly less than the Bernie fanatics view Bernie or how so many viewed Obama as "The Chosen One."

Trust me on this one. About 99% of us just saw him as the lesser of two evils compared to Hillary or like what he did for the economy, our taxes and the judiciary. All of that Trump worship, brainwashed, Hitlerian obsessive following, cult of personality stuff is made up silliness to smear one side the same way the Right tries to paint every liberal as a raving, Lenin loving commie. It's not applicable to the VAST majority.

I bolded the parts where you cannot help yourself from inserting conservatism victimization, whataboutisms, and false equivalencies. You might not know that it's your schtick, but it is so obvious lol

Anyway, this is total nonsense. Yes, it was definitely true that Trump was the most unpopular candidate in history and many Americans were upset that the choices were Hillary vs Trump... and yes, there are tens of millions of Republicans who dislike his persona but love his "results."

But where you're dead wrong is that his support coalesced around him and he succeeded in growing his support and his base. It is a FACT that Donald Trump was the most popular Republican President ever, among Republicans. It is a FACT that he grew his base and brought out a stunning amount of previously apolitical voters. And that's the big difference, he brought people out of the woodwork to join his political movement.

That does not happen if it's 99% "oh gee golly, we didn't like Hillary and we wanted judges...". And his campaign doesn't get in the gutter with nonstop culture war nonsense of it was about the economy and judges.

And now he has tens of millions of people believing an American Presidential election was stolen. That it was a crime! If you had half as much calm wisdom as you think you project, you recognize pretty quickly that Trump is wholly unamerican and anti-democracy.

 

[Ndaccountant]

This actually makes sense. My beliefs are that this divide has happened bc of a sociopath. trump. He invokes this.

He didn't invoke this, but he absolutely inflamed it.

I have said this multiple times before...the one thing Trump did that nobody was able to really do before him was identify the anger and he capitalized on it. The anger has been slowly boiling from the result of disenchantment over the last few decades, the reasons of which are too long to list out here.

I liken it the mood slime from Ghostbusters II. Remember Louis Tully provided the insight that Gozer the Traveler had previously be chosen to appear as a giant Sloar. Then, as we find out it GBII, the Sloar was captured and oozed slime under the Hudson river that was manipulated by Ivo Shandor. Ultimately, as we know, this mood slime evokes hatred in angry people and allows Vigo the Carpathian to resurrect.

Well, in real life, Trump = Vigo and the mood slime is channeled via the media (both mainstream and social). Taking bets for who takes the role of Howard Huntsberry.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Bishop, my friend: I agree whole-heartedly with your first paragraph and have written the exact thing here on IE long ago. (Pre his actual election.) I disagree with most of the second paragraph. There are a lot more folks in those crowds that act like cultists or fanatics of high emotion than 1%. Certainly intelligent people like yourself and your friends and family are NOT such people, but there are many of them --- the northern parts of Michigan are famed for semi-crazy anarchists who support Trump. They were there for the picking before Trump, but they found their guy. And by the way, it was Trump who referred to HIMSELF as the Chosen One not Obama. The fact that negatives can be slid over from one hated dude to the other side's hated dude should be pause for reflection.

 

[Bishop2b5]

This is complete and utter bullshit. Over 2/3 of Republicans believe that the presidential election wasn’t free and fair. Even though the states (many with Republicans leadership like Georgia and Arizona) have certified the results and court cases continue to go against Trump. You might lie to yourself about why Republicans/conservatives support him but you are wrong.

You should stop listening to MSNBC and start talking to real people and thinking for yourself. First, little of what you posted has anything to do with what I said. I didn't say anything about the recent election or anyone believing it was fraudulent or not. The OP said he didn't understand the cultish following of Trump and I simply explained that it wasn't as cultish as the media portrays it as and explained how most of his supporters actually viewed him and why they had actually voted for him. No more, no less.