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Irish YJ said:
Pentagon reportedly buried study exposing $125 billion in waste | Fox News
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Among its other findings, the report showed that the Defense Department was paying just over 1 million contractors, civilian employees and uniformed personnel to fill back-office jobs. That number nearly matches the amount of active duty troops — 1.3 million, the lowest since 1940.
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There is this meme that we’re some bloated, giant organization. Although there is a little bit of truth in that ... I think it vastly overstates what’s really going on.
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Secretary of Defense Robert Work

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What a tard
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I don't particularly revel in the fact that Trump will be president...


I am the beneficiary of an accident in that SCOTUS will remain almost tethered to the Constitution.

But I do revel in the fact that TRUMP beat Mrs. Clinton...


Maybe this person might listen to what President Obama said...that Hillary did not campaign hard enough in the places that matter...

Maybe Bill would still have his phone if she listened to him, oh and maybe she might have won...

Maybe the people advising her are self-important douche bags...(whose failure I thoroughly enjoy)

Maybe Mrs. Clinton has not been seen as genuine or likable, yet Condi Rice is seen as both those things...If the Democrats could get her to run, they'd have their first woman President....or doesn't it count if she is a Republican?

Maybe Mrs. Clinton would not have lost to the single biggest dick on the planet had the MSM not brain washed her and her supporters that Trump wasn't real, and they "had this".

Maybe Trump never runs if President Obama isn't such a dick to him. That one will for sure be part of the legacy he so clearly fusses over.

Maybe Democracts lost because their house was laid bare for all to see from the Clintons dealings, to Podesta, to Benghazi, to the DNC, and on and on...and it was finally too much.

Maybe it was because the Middle East isn't better than it was when they "inherited" it.

Maybe it was because the economy isn't growing fast enough...

Maybe it was because they refused to actually use their Majority to solve the illegal immigration problem...

Maybe it was because pay has not kept pace with CoL.

Maybe it was because regulations make it damned near impossible to start a small business

the list goes on....

It was not so long ago I was told the Republicans were dead, and they'd never win again...and they maybe/probably shouldn't have...but if you want to know the real reason why Democrats lost....they are lead by SMUG ASSHOLES who make smug asshole statements and decisions....and whose media supporters write smug, detached articles.
 
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Trump on Boeing's Air Force One contract: 'Cancel order!' | Reuters

By Andrea Shalal and Amy Tennery | WASHINGTON/NEW YORK
U.S. President-elect Donald Trump urged the government on Tuesday to cancel an order with Boeing Co for a revamped Air Force One - one of the most prominent symbols of the U.S. presidency - saying costs were out of control.

It was the latest example of Trump using his podium, often via Twitter messages, to rattle companies and foreign countries as he seeks to shake up business as usual in Washington. Trump, who takes office on Jan. 20, took aim at what he called cost overruns even though the plane is only in development stages.

"Boeing is building a brand new 747 Air Force One for future presidents, but costs are out of control, more than $4 billion. Cancel order!" Trump said on Twitter.
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I had to look at the top of the page to make sure this article wasn't something from The Onion. Absolutely hilarious! It's hard to imagine anyone being quite this self-delusional and clueless, yet there it is.
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Let them keep blaming everyone else. The Libs just lost the easiest, most winnable election of all time. F'ing morons.
Hilldog gonna miss that 4 bill AF1
Max Weiss is a stone cold door knob.
BTW I'm happy the GOP have been turned on their heads too. They are not much brighter.


Burn it all down.
 
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4 billion
For one plane.
I'd like to see the business case.
Hope Trump tells Boing to stick the plane up their asses and puts the same design out to bid.
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As always Trump is misleading. Its not $4 billion for one plane. Its for two planes plus R&D plus Testing and evaluation which is part of the Air Force One program. Boeings plane only costs $380 mil. The majority cost is in all the upgrades which are subcontracted out that cost so much money. So he is attackng Boeing for no good reason. There is also an article out ther that says Trump is doing this as retribution for something that occurred between him and Boeing. ...

Anyway, The upgrades are the ones that require it to be a mobile command center. CBO projection says it is currently at $3.7 billion to be paid over 12 years. Within the context of military spending it amounts to a very small portion of the budget. If Trump wants to be real about something he should try his ire at the F-35.
 
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As always Trump is misleading. Its not $4 billion for one plane. Its for two planes plus R&D plus Testing and evaluation which is part of the Air Force One program. Boeings plane only costs $380 mil. The majority cost is in all the upgrades which are subcontracted out that cost so much money. So he is attackng Boeing for no good reason. There is also an article out ther that says Trump is doing this as retribution for something that occurred between him and Boeing. ...

Anyway, The upgrades are the ones that require it to be a mobile command center. CBO projection says it is currently at $3.7 billion to be paid over 12 years. Within the context of military spending it amounts to a very small portion of the budget. If Trump wants to be real about something he should try his ire at the F-35.
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Whatever the "number" truly is, I'd bet a paycheck there's more than 40 or 50 points of margin and or BS heaped on it. Boeing and every other contractor has a long history of padding contracts and other shenanigans Could care less if Trump is making it personal if people start to pay more attention.

If only we had honest people to unleash who would review all gov contracts. 4 bill over xx years may be small to you but it could do a lot of good in the right hands, or back in the taxpayers pocket.
 
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Irish YJ said:
Whatever the "number" truly is, I'd bet a paycheck there's more than 40 or 50 points of margin and or BS heaped on it. Boeing and every other contractor has a long history of padding contracts and other shenanigans Could care less if Trump is making it personal if people start to pay more attention.

If only we had honest people to unleash who would review all gov contracts. 4 bill over xx years may be small to you but it could do a lot of good in the right hands, or back in the taxpayers pocket.
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I agree with the sentiments. Boeing and other big companies generally operate with a wrap rate of ~2.8-3.5 depending on the business unit. What that means is, if an employee makes 100K, the government pays between 280 and 350K for Boeing to supply the employee for that year. In that number are things like salary, benefits and 401K contributions, general overhead like rent, etc. and profit. Normally DoD contractors average 8-10% profit for labor...not sure how purchasing assets works anymore, but most ODCs (hardware) are capped at 5% profit.

Couple issues...1) large companies cost more, not less, to do business with, and that is ass backwards on its face. 2) abuse generally comes in as civilian employees offload their labor responsibilities to contractors, or jocky for promotion by adding un-needed "heads". 3) large contracts are forced to have certain small business participation. This participation is often driven by cronyism through congress, and places like Boeing get to burn money training idiots to deliver some piece of the contract, and then the idiots still eff it up, then Boeing hires someone to fix it at a premium...this is part of the escalated costs from Boeing itself.

In the case of a Boeing Aircraft, I suspect much cost is in outyear support, because they generally sell them CLS (Conntractor Logistics Support) ... which means the government doesn't own the data, and can't bid out the maintenance tail of the product lifecycle. Now plug in 1) and 2) above.

Trump may not know exactly which sphincter to point at...but something indeed stinks.
 
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Irish YJ said:
Whatever the "number" truly is, I'd bet a paycheck there's more than 40 or 50 points of margin and or BS heaped on it. Boeing and every other contractor has a long history of padding contracts and other shenanigans Could care less if Trump is making it personal if people start to pay more attention.

If only we had honest people to unleash who would review all gov contracts. 4 bill over xx years may be small to you but it could do a lot of good in the right hands, or back in the taxpayers pocket.
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Not arguing the cost or the fluff but Trump's constant misinforming through his tweets. But lets drill deeper. What is the cost of all that R&D for ALL the equipment and tech needed to keep that plane flying as a mobile command center, which is its purpose. The subcontractors have developed it and should be able to recoup their money as they see fit correct? I mean that is what I always hear from the right on almost everything. So is it unreasonable for a company ( for example) that make highly specialized circuitry designed to withstand a nuclear blast be compensated for such tech?

And I agree that we could do alot with 4 billion dollars but as far as priorities go the president being able to maintain control of this country from AIR FORCE one is a big one for me. However I find spending $1.25 trillion on lifetime cost of a F-35 planes to be insane. Reports are that this program will cost $135 million per plane
 
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You guys are missing the point. The Boeing comment was politics, not policy. Trump isn't trying to ACTUALLY save money by going after the competitive bid process for Air Force One. What he's doing is trying to win over the center-left by attacking the military-industrial complex. He's being Trump. It's all about his popularity.
 
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Not arguing the cost or the fluff but Trump's constant misinforming through his tweets. But lets drill deeper. What is the cost of all that R&D for ALL the equipment and tech needed to keep that plane flying as a mobile command center, which is its purpose. The subcontractors have developed it and should be able to recoup their money as they see fit correct? I mean that is what I always hear from the right on almost everything. So is it unreasonable for a company ( for example) that make highly specialized circuitry designed to withstand a nuclear blast be compensated for such tech?

And I agree that we could do alot with 4 billion dollars but as far as priorities go the president being able to maintain control of this country from AIR FORCE one is a big one for me. However I find spending $1.25 trillion on lifetime cost of a F-35 planes to be insane. Reports are that this program will cost $135 million per plane
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Yea...I have a theory about how to proceed with "new" weapon systems...build less. I think you stop building them after one detachment...go into a process of evaluation and modification, and then go Full Production if we need them. I love me some technologically superior weaponry...but I see priorities elsewhere.

We are ceding the high ground. As the CNN special just noted, we do not defend our assets deployed in space...we do not have a space-based defensive platform, nor defenses other than limited propulsion systems on board our space assets. This is STUUUUUPID!
 
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wizards8507 said:
You guys are missing the point. The Boeing comment was politics, not policy. Trump isn't trying to ACTUALLY save money by going after the competitive bid process for Air Force One. What he's doing is trying to win over the center-left by attacking the military-industrial complex. He's being Trump. It's all about his popularity.
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Yeah...the next thing you know, he will be meeting with Al Gore.....huh, wait, what...?
 
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Irish YJ said:
Let them keep blaming everyone else. The Libs just lost the easiest, most winnable election of all time. F'ing morons.
Hilldog gonna miss that 4 bill AF1
Max Weiss is a stone cold door knob.
BTW I'm happy the GOP have been turned on their heads too. They are not much brighter.


Burn it all down.
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Part of that overrun was probably HRC having leather seats with her initials embroided in them

Cackalacky said:
As always Trump is misleading. Its not $4 billion for one plane. Its for two planes plus R&D plus Testing and evaluation which is part of the Air Force One program. Boeings plane only costs $380 mil. The majority cost is in all the upgrades which are subcontracted out that cost so much money. So he is attackng Boeing for no good reason. There is also an article out ther that says Trump is doing this as retribution for something that occurred between him and Boeing. ...

Anyway, The upgrades are the ones that require it to be a mobile command center. CBO projection says it is currently at $3.7 billion to be paid over 12 years. Within the context of military spending it amounts to a very small portion of the budget. If Trump wants to be real about something he should try his ire at the F-35.
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Because of the special needs there is always going to be costs that drive it up, but you can bet that Boeing has padded things quite nicely. They'll add their fee to any subcontractors fees instead of passing it along. Boeing has had this reputation for a long time. While I'm a big fan of the military and believe on staying on top of technology, I do hope and believe Trump will go after the military budget. We seen for 25+ years reports of $150 hammers and $5,000 toilets, yet nothing is ever done.
 
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I agree with the sentiments. Boeing and other big companies generally operate with a wrap rate of ~2.8-3.5 depending on the business unit. What that means is, if an employee makes 100K, the government pays between 280 and 350K for Boeing to supply the employee for that year. In that number are things like salary, benefits and 401K contributions, general overhead like rent, etc. and profit. Normally DoD contractors average 8-10% profit for labor...not sure how purchasing assets works anymore, but most ODCs (hardware) are capped at 5% profit.

Couple issues...1) large companies cost more, not less, to do business with, and that is ass backwards on its face. 2) abuse generally comes in as civilian employees offload their labor responsibilities to contractors, or jocky for promotion by adding un-needed "heads". 3) large contracts are forced to have certain small business participation. This participation is often driven by cronyism through congress, and places like Boeing get to burn money training idiots to deliver some piece of the contract, and then the idiots still eff it up, then Boeing hires someone to fix it at a premium...this is part of the escalated costs from Boeing itself.

In the case of a Boeing Aircraft, I suspect much cost is in outyear support, because they generally sell them CLS (Conntractor Logistics Support) ... which means the government doesn't own the data, and can't bid out the maintenance tail of the product lifecycle. Now plug in 1) and 2) above.

Trump may not know exactly which sphincter to point at...but something indeed stinks.
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It's hard to determine which sphincter when there is so much ass in the mix when talking about DC and defense contractors.

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Not arguing the cost or the fluff but Trump's constant misinforming through his tweets. But lets drill deeper. What is the cost of all that R&D for ALL the equipment and tech needed to keep that plane flying as a mobile command center, which is its purpose. The subcontractors have developed it and should be able to recoup their money as they see fit correct? I mean that is what I always hear from the right on almost everything. So is it unreasonable for a company ( for example) that make highly specialized circuitry designed to withstand a nuclear blast be compensated for such tech?

And I agree that we could do alot with 4 billion dollars but as far as priorities go the president being able to maintain control of this country from AIR FORCE one is a big one for me. However I find spending $1.25 trillion on lifetime cost of a F-35 planes to be insane. Reports are that this program will cost $135 million per plane
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F-35 situation is atrocious as are numerous others. The corruption and inefficiency surrounding all of this crap is completely out of control and has been for too long.

I'm all for companies recouping R&D costs, but in most cases (especially in this space), the company gouges the gov, and turns around and uses the technology gained from that R&D on other products (only to continue to improve the margin as they don't have to spread the R&D costs).

wizards8507 said:
You guys are missing the point. The Boeing comment was politics, not policy. Trump isn't trying to ACTUALLY save money by going after the competitive bid process for Air Force One. What he's doing is trying to win over the center-left by attacking the military-industrial complex. He's being Trump. It's all about his popularity.
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It's that, but it's also tit for tat. Boeing attacks Trump's criticism of TPP, NAFTA, and China, so Trump does a Twitter Trump... It's all politics. But underneath it all, I agree TPP, NAFTA, and China all suck. Boeing is just thinking about all the $ they are making in China. Nothing more.
 
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"Among its other findings, the report showed that the Defense Department was paying just over 1 million contractors, civilian employees and uniformed personnel to fill back-office jobs."

That's unfathomable. One million back office jobs at DoD? That makes no sense whatsoever.
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Now we know how Obama managed to keep unemployment numbers down.
 
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We seen for 25+ years reports of $150 hammers and $5,000 toilets, yet nothing is ever done.
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Not arguing the cost or the fluff but Trump's constant misinforming through his tweets. But lets drill deeper. What is the cost of all that R&D for ALL the equipment and tech needed to keep that plane flying as a mobile command center, which is its purpose. The subcontractors have developed it and should be able to recoup their money as they see fit correct? I mean that is what I always hear from the right on almost everything. So is it unreasonable for a company ( for example) that make highly specialized circuitry designed to withstand a nuclear blast be compensated for such tech?

And I agree that we could do alot with 4 billion dollars but as far as priorities go the president being able to maintain control of this country from AIR FORCE one is a big one for me. However I find spending $1.25 trillion on lifetime cost of a F-35 planes to be insane. Reports are that this program will cost $135 million per plane
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Boeing CEO Calls Trump After Air Force One Criticism | Fox Business
 
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