Trump Presidency

[IrishRazor82]

The left has some serious talent at digging and parading misdoings. The right needs to recruit that talent and point it at Cumou, Harris, Pelosi, AOC, etc.

Because there is some gold content on the other side but for whatever reason, the rightists don't seem to waste their time. Not sure that's good or bad.

 

[TorontoGold]

The left has some serious talent at digging and parading misdoings. The right needs to recruit that talent and point it at Cumou, Harris, Pelosi, AOC, etc.

Because there is some gold content on the other side but for whatever reason, the rightists don't seem to waste their time. Not sure that's good or bad.

Yeah, they should get that guy who banged his cousin to help them out. Heard he's a tremendous lawyer and fact finder.

 

[GoIrish41]

I laughed because we haven't seen internment camps since the 1940's and the president was a Democrat, and as already pointed out you didn't give a damn when Obama did the same thing. The main difference is that those were American citizens and the ones you're talking about are not. I'll skip that one and the Nazi sympathizer one because North Dakota already chopped you down on those.

He coddled our enemies??? You're delusional. There were no negative consequences of Trump reaching out to N Korea and trying to bring that little psycho to the table. And I'm sure the Middle East peace deal that was brokered was to benefit our enemies, right?

I know for sure Trump didn't send Iran a plane full of American cash (Obama) or use shady deals with China to increase his income (Biden).

On Covid: He shut down travel from China and people like you called him a racist. Everyone who went to his rallies (mask or no mask) did so with free will.

Capitol: 74 million people voted for Trump, and a few nutjobs did that on their own accord. It was a sad day in American history and they'll face the justice system as they should.

Really? What crime are those in the camps being charged with? Or are they being held without an intent to charge them? You may want to look up the definition of internment camp. Internment is the confinement for political or military reasons. Since none of these kids seemed to be packing when they were pulled from their mothers’ arms, let’s just acknowledge that they were held for political reasons, which makes the camps created for this incarceration “internment camps.” It has nothing to do with citizenship.

People like me called him a racist for the China travel ban ... but not me. Isn’t that the same as assuming all Trump supporters are racist? Everything me who spread Covid by gathering in large groups without masks, also did so with free will. Should they be charged when reckless endangerment or would they, like the Capitol insurrectionists, rightfully blame Trump for their callous disregard for the health and safety of others?

Hundreds of people stormed the Capitol, and thousands (maybe millions) supported and still support the actions. It’s the same nutjobs who were in Charlottesville, and cheered as the president teargassed peaceful protestors for a photo shoot. You want to lump all Democrats in with the kooks on the left but draw a hard line when anyone suggest that it works both ways. That makes you a hypocrite. And saying after the fact that they deserve to face the justice system ignores that you’ve been excusing illegal behavior in this administration for four years and gloated every time Trump got away with his crimes.

 

[dublinirish]

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[drayer54]

If this is a real document ...... oof.

Seems pretty blah to me. This looks like standard guidance. It wasn't a secret that the guard was unarmed even in the security theater display after the 1/6 protest. This is how you prevent usta-serves with zero law enforcement training from creating a Kent State massacre.

I'd be willing to bet they have similar orders in almost every other unrest type event. The National Guard is not the grand security force some of these idiots in the media seem to think they are. They are a deterrent and logistical support for actual law enforcement. They are also stage props for incoming administration trying to dunk on the outgoing admin.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Seems pretty blah to me. This looks like standard guidance. It wasn't a secret that the guard was unarmed even in the security theater display after the 1/6 protest. This is how you prevent usta-serves with zero law enforcement training from creating a Kent State massacre.

I'd be willing to bet they have similar orders in almost every other unrest type event. The National Guard is not the grand security force some of these idiots in the media seem to think they are. They are a deterrent and logistical support for actual law enforcement. They are also stage props for incoming administration trying to dunk on the outgoing admin.

I admit I have not seen or read any actual NG orders of deployment before but IMO this seems irregular as Miller specifically and severely limits their capabilities (much more so than when I have seen NG deployed for protests and riots in the past. The NG in any state is always armed/protected during protests, and has generally been a support role for the local LEO. They are essentially armed peacekeepers and support local LEO when enacted. In this instance the DC MP asked for assistance from the DCNG. The DCNG was essentially made unarmed bystanders becasue of this order, thereby making assistance to DCMP virtually nil. The DCMP and Capitol Police asked for the DCNG to support in maintaining order well before the protests started and basically received traffic cops.

FTR I live in a hurricane prone region and during evacuations and post storm assistance, the NG are always armed, always in protective gear and always allowed to enforce laws regarding public safety.

 

[drayer54]

I admit I have not seen or read any actual NG orders of deployment before but IMO this seems irregular as Miller specifically and severely limits their capabilities (much more so than when I have seen NG deployed for protests and riots in the past. The NG in any state is always armed/protected during protests, and has generally been a support role for the local LEO. They are essentially armed peacekeepers and support local LEO when enacted. In this instance the DC MP asked for assistance from the DCNG. The DCNG was essentially made unarmed bystanders becasue of this order, thereby making assistance to DCMP virtually nil. The DCMP and Capitol Police asked for the DCNG to support in maintaining order well before the protests started and basically received traffic cops.

FTR I live in a hurricane prone region and during evacuations and post storm assistance, the NG are always armed, always in protective gear and always allowed to enforce laws regarding public safety.

Armed with an empty mag, maybe. You may be surprised. I know many of my former vet friends who are still in the guard and they rarely touch live ammo. I know the ones who went to Ferguson and did flood response had empty mags as they were frustrated at the time.

 

[Old Man Mike]

It's true that National Guardsmen usually don't carry their guns at all, and especially not loaded with live rounds; but it is possible that they do so if the "intelligence" associated with the assignment is considered grave enough to warrant it. The Secretary of the Army said exactly that this is what they are looking into as to whether to allow loaded carries, or unloaded carries but on person ammo, in the task force associated with protecting the Capital.

The issue is therefore not whether National Guardsmen typically carry loaded weapons, but whether Homeland Security etc intelligence has information which reaches a serious enough level for that to be ordered. IF they are carrying live rounds, then that means that the intel would have been deemed serious and credible. The question is: were they carrying live ammo or not in any of these scenarios?

 

[drayer54]

It's true that National Guardsmen usually don't carry their guns at all, and especially not loaded with live rounds; but it is possible that they do so if the "intelligence" associated with the assignment is considered grave enough to warrant it. The Secretary of the Army said exactly that this is what they are looking into as to whether to allow loaded carries, or unloaded carries but on person ammo, in the task force associated with protecting the Capital.

The issue is therefore not whether National Guardsmen typically carry loaded weapons, but whether Homeland Security etc intelligence has information which reaches a serious enough level for that to be ordered. IF they are carrying live rounds, then that means that the intel would have been deemed serious and credible. The question is: were they carrying live ammo or not in any of these scenarios?

I can't think of a situation where they should. We don't need an armed NG patrolling our streets unless they are in total chaos.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Apparently Homeland and the FBI have better intel than you can imagine. Why not be happy that they are smarter?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Really? What crime are those in the camps being charged with? Or are they being held without an intent to charge them? You may want to look up the definition of internment camp. Internment is the confinement for political or military reasons. Since none of these kids seemed to be packing when they were pulled from their mothers’ arms, let’s just acknowledge that they were held for political reasons, which makes the camps created for this incarceration “internment camps.” It has nothing to do with citizenship.

People like me called him a racist for the China travel ban ... but not me. Isn’t that the same as assuming all Trump supporters are racist? Everything me who spread Covid by gathering in large groups without masks, also did so with free will. Should they be charged when reckless endangerment or would they, like the Capitol insurrectionists, rightfully blame Trump for their callous disregard for the health and safety of others?

Hundreds of people stormed the Capitol, and thousands (maybe millions) supported and still support the actions. It’s the same nutjobs who were in Charlottesville, and cheered as the president teargassed peaceful protestors for a photo shoot. You want to lump all Democrats in with the kooks on the left but draw a hard line when anyone suggest that it works both ways. That makes you a hypocrite. And saying after the fact that they deserve to face the justice system ignores that you’ve been excusing illegal behavior in this administration for four years and gloated every time Trump got away with his crimes.

2014 called and is trying to find your outrage at foreigners being held in cages by US law enforcement. Donald Trump didn't create internment camps. These detention centers have been in place for years at our border. But by reading your post, Trump pulled his best Hitler, sent his SS guards, rounded up the brown folks, ripped the children from their mothers' arms, and is keeping them in camps until their liberators arrive. Twisted.

lol at charging people with a crime who gathered in large crowds. Tell me how that one holds up in court.

I haven't excused any illegal behavior for anyone, but I can laugh at your desperate attempts to portray the guy as some sort of third world dictator while Biden is on executive order number 42.

 

[GoIrish41]

2014 called and is trying to find your outrage at foreigners being held in cages by US law enforcement. Donald Trump didn't create internment camps. These detention centers have been in place for years at our border. But by reading your post, Trump pulled his best Hitler, sent his SS guards, rounded up the brown folks, ripped the children from their mothers' arms, and is keeping them in camps until their liberators arrive. Twisted.

lol at charging people with a crime who gathered in large crowds. Tell me how that one holds up in court.

I haven't excused any illegal behavior for anyone, but I can laugh at your desperate attempts to portray the guy as some sort of third world dictator while Biden is on executive order number 42.

You are wrong, as you so often are. He built a massive camp in Texas for this specific purpose — internment. You know, the camps you said didn’t exist in your last post. Now Obama built them. You are a f*ing joke.

Trump signed 291 executive orders in 4 years and not a peep! Ridiculous!

And yes, all those things are as true as they are twisted. Watching them happen and excusing them ... that’s gross.

 

[MNIrishman]

You are wrong, as you so often are. He built a massive camp in Texas for this specific purpose — internment. You know, the camps you said didn’t exist in your last post. Now Obama built them. You are a f*ing joke.

Trump signed 291 executive orders in 4 years and not a peep! Ridiculous!

And yes, all those things are as true as they are twisted. Watching them happen and excusing them ... that’s gross.

I know liberals like to invent facts, but this is so easily searchable. UCSB attributes only 220 to Trump. Biden hasn't even been in office two weeks and he's more than 10% there.

 

[GoIrish41]

I know liberals like to invent facts, but this is so easily searchable. UCSB attributes only 220 to Trump. Biden hasn't even been in office two weeks and he's more than 10% there.

My bad, you are right. It was W who signed 291, not Trump, and Leppy didn’t bitch about either of them and their incessant use of exec orders. I wonder how come?

 

[Ndaccountant]

My bad, you are right. It was W who signed 291, not Trump, and Leppy didn’t bitch about either of them and their incessant use of exec orders. I wonder how come?

Everyone (I hope) should understand that the pace of executive orders is going to decline. But just for entertainment purposes....here is the top 10 presidents on executive orders per year (Biden is based on his current pace)

1. Biden - 702
2. FDR - 308
3. Hoover - 242
4. Wilson - 225
5. Harding - 217
6. Coolidge - 215
7. Taft - 181
8. Teddy Bear - 145
9. Truman - 117
10. Carter - 80

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I know liberals like to invent facts, but this is so easily searchable. UCSB attributes only 220 to Trump. Biden hasn't even been in office two weeks and he's more than 10% there.

As opposed to conservatives ignoring them ?

 

[GoIrish41]

Everyone (I hope) should understand that the pace of executive orders is going to decline. But just for entertainment purposes....here is the top 10 presidents on executive orders per year (Biden is based on his current pace)

1. Biden - 702
2. FDR - 308
3. Hoover - 242
4. Wilson - 225
5. Harding - 217
6. Coolidge - 215
7. Taft - 181
8. Teddy Bear - 145
9. Truman - 117
10. Carter - 80

You missed a zero on FDR’s total.

 

[Ndaccountant]

You missed a zero on FDR’s total.

Those are per year, not in total. His total was well above 3K, but he also had the benefit of more time.

 

[GoIrish41]

Those are per year, not in total. His total was well above 3K, but he also had the benefit of more time.

Gotcha. I spoke about total executive orders and you changed up on me.

 

[Irish#1]

I admit I have not seen or read any actual NG orders of deployment before but IMO this seems irregular as Miller specifically and severely limits their capabilities (much more so than when I have seen NG deployed for protests and riots in the past. The NG in any state is always armed/protected during protests, and has generally been a support role for the local LEO. They are essentially armed peacekeepers and support local LEO when enacted. In this instance the DC MP asked for assistance from the DCNG. The DCNG was essentially made unarmed bystanders becasue of this order, thereby making assistance to DCMP virtually nil. The DCMP and Capitol Police asked for the DCNG to support in maintaining order well before the protests started and basically received traffic cops.

FTR I live in a hurricane prone region and during evacuations and post storm assistance, the NG are always armed, always in protective gear and always allowed to enforce laws regarding public safety.

Armed with an empty mag, maybe. You may be surprised. I know many of my former vet friends who are still in the guard and they rarely touch live ammo. I know the ones who went to Ferguson and did flood response had empty mags as they were frustrated at the time.

It's true that National Guardsmen usually don't carry their guns at all, and especially not loaded with live rounds; but it is possible that they do so if the "intelligence" associated with the assignment is considered grave enough to warrant it. The Secretary of the Army said exactly that this is what they are looking into as to whether to allow loaded carries, or unloaded carries but on person ammo, in the task force associated with protecting the Capital.

The issue is therefore not whether National Guardsmen typically carry loaded weapons, but whether Homeland Security etc intelligence has information which reaches a serious enough level for that to be ordered. IF they are carrying live rounds, then that means that the intel would have been deemed serious and credible. The question is: were they carrying live ammo or not in any of these scenarios?

I can't think of a situation where they should. We don't need an armed NG patrolling our streets unless they are in total chaos.

Apparently Homeland and the FBI have better intel than you can imagine. Why not be happy that they are smarter?

Typically the weapon is not loaded as already stated. Carrying ammo is not the real issue. It's the order to load your weapon that is the key.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

You are wrong, as you so often are. He built a massive camp in Texas for this specific purpose — internment. You know, the camps you said didn’t exist in your last post. Now Obama built them. You are a f*ing joke.

Trump signed 291 executive orders in 4 years and not a peep! Ridiculous!

And yes, all those things are as true as they are twisted. Watching them happen and excusing them ... that’s gross.

Absolutely not. I didn't accept your use of the term "internment camps" and still don't. We've had detention centers at our border for years because thousands try to come here illegally every day.

FDR rounded up US citizens of Japenese descent and put them in camps. Trump and other US presidents have held non citizens at federal detention centers at our border. There's a huge difference in those two scenarios that you refuse to ackowledge.

 

[GoIrish41]

Absolutely not. I didn't accept your use of the term "internment camps" and still don't. We've had detention centers at our border for years because thousands try to come here illegally every day.

FDR rounded up US citizens of Japenese descent and put them in camps. Trump and other US presidents have held non citizens at federal detention centers at our border. There's a huge difference in those two scenarios that you refuse to ackowledge.

There are differences, no doubt. But none of those differences prevents an internment camp from being an internment camp. February is shorter than January but they are both still months. Internment is the state of being confined as a prisoner, especially for political or military reasons. Whether you “accept” it or not, words mean things. He built internment camps.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Absolutely not. I didn't accept your use of the term "internment camps" and still don't. We've had detention centers at our border for years because thousands try to come here illegally every day.

FDR rounded up US citizens of Japenese descent and put them in camps. Trump and other US presidents have held non citizens at federal detention centers at our border. There's a huge difference in those two scenarios that you refuse to ackowledge.

Another huge difference is that the Trump administration did this for the sole purpose of inflicting pain and suffering as a means to discourage illegal immigration/asylum seekers.

Those aren't my words, those are Trump's. He's Mr. YouHaveToShowStrength.

 

[NorthDakota]

Another huge difference is that the Trump administration did this for the sole purpose of inflicting pain and suffering as a means to discourage illegal immigration/asylum seekers.

Those aren't my words, those are Trump's. He's Mr. YouHaveToShowStrength.

You say it like that's a bad thing?

 

[dublinirish]

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[Legacy]

An extremely detailed map of the 2020 Election (NY Times)

Searchable for area or zip code and ability to compare to 2016 results. Interesting to see how voting change at Palm Beach from 2016. Typed in Mar-a-Lago.

 

[Legacy]

Steve King, Rep from Iowa's 4th, was stripped of his Committee assignments one year ago for white supremacist talk. She was appointed to the House Education and Labor Committee, for one.

If the Rep Party doesn't strip her of those assignments, how far right has the Party gone? She has certainly said much more inflammatory statements than King. First, though, let's wait for the vote on that resolution. Hopefully, the Party will proceed on its own.

King said:

Leader McCarthy’s decision to remove me from committees is a political decision that ignores the truth. We discussed the worn out label 'racist' and my observation that other slanderous labels have been increasingly assigned to Conservatives by the Left, who injected into our current political dialog such terms as Nazi, Fascist, ‘White Nationalist, White Supremacist,— Western Civilization, how did THAT language become offensive? Ultimately, I told [McCarthy] ‘You have to do what you have to do and I will do what I have to do.’ I will continue to point out the truth and work with all the vigor that I have to represent 4th District Iowans for at least the next two years.”

The House voted 416–1 to rebuke King's comments.

McCarthy said at that time:

“Steve’s remarks are beneath the dignity of the party of Lincoln and the United States of America," McCarthy said in a statement. "His comments call into question whether he will treat all Americans equally, without regard for race and ethnicity. House Republicans are clear: We are all in this together, as fellow citizens equal before God and the law. As Congressman King’s fellow citizens, let us hope and pray earnestly that this action will lead to greater reflection and ultimately change on his part.”

 

[Blazers46]

There are differences, no doubt. But none of those differences prevents an internment camp from being an internment camp. February is shorter than January but they are both still months. Internment is the state of being confined as a prisoner, especially for political or military reasons. Whether you “accept” it or not, words mean things. He built internment camps.

I live on the border. I am 30 minutes from Juarez, MX. I forget the time frame and I am too lazy too look it up but when we had those massive caravans coming across the border it was funny to watch FOX/CNN talk about what I was actually seeing daily.

They were being housed anywhere that could provide them "two hots and a cot". School gyms, churches and even the hospitals. The store I own is right down the road from a school that housed some. All day and everyday there were kids playing soccer and on the playground pretty much all day. We had some border patrol officers come to the store to buy soccer balls and other things. They could come and go as they pleased.

 

[GoIrish41]

I live on the border. I am 30 minutes from Juarez, MX. I forget the time frame and I am too lazy too look it up but when we had those massive caravans coming across the border it was funny to watch FOX/CNN talk about what I was actually seeing daily.

They were being housed anywhere that could provide them "two hots and a cot". School gyms, churches and even the hospitals. The store I own is right down the road from a school that housed some. All day and everyday there were kids playing soccer and on the playground pretty much all day. We had some border patrol officers come to the store to buy soccer balls and other things. They could come and go as they pleased.

Oh those photos I saw of the kids marching in single file between rows of massive tents in the heat of last summer must have been child actors on a movie set. C’mon man. We’ve all seen the on it and it has been going on for years. Thousands and thousands were detained. Do you still kids playing soccer or would you have to drive to the camps to see it now?

 

[GoIrish41]

Maybe he built camps to “solve” the problem you are describing instead of just returning the kids to their parents and admitting the policy was a disaster. .