Trump Presidency

[Luckylucci]

I don't think he has any idea about what forest management entails. He's a climate denier. Some post about suburban women or minority vote. Most Americans under 40 consider this a huge topic and will decide whether four more years of this is what they want. This crosses all of those subgroups.

So, you completely ignore the question. My point stands. Very disingenuous. Not surprising.

 

[Luckylucci]

You quite literally put the blame and responsibility at his feet with the Federal land comment. Then when asked a very real world question about implementation you just ignore it. This is classic stuff, man. Classic.

 

[Irish#1]

Long story less long: Hunter Biden is a liability if there ever was one.

And people got worked up about Billy Carter and his love of beer. times have changed! lol

 

[Luckylucci]

I would be totally okay with him doing the above if...he relied on credible professionals, not yes men, accepted said professionals conclusions and recommendations and got out of the way.

I appreciate the honest response. Even if that was the majority view, the small group that this would radicalize would create significant barriers to progress.

 

[TorontoGold]

People are nitpicking and hearing what they want to hear. Wallace asked if he was willing to tell them to "stand down" and he said "sure". He then after being given a name by Wallace said "stand back and stand by". It could have been said better and may not have been the exact words some wanted to hear, but I suspect regardless of what he would have said there are those that would call it a lie or say it wasn't enough.

We can all listen here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xumSYFtQIt0
(I don't know how to embed it, but it's a video of the exchange)

To the bolded - This is a defeatist attitude that so many have, imagine any other time in modern history giving a pass on a US sitting president for not being able to say white supremacy is wrong.

 

[Old Man Mike]

"Crazy environmental resistance" .... jeez.

Environmentalists have advocated good forest management based upon the science and the actual reports of the on-the-ground forest management professionals in DNRs and the Department of the Interior for at least six decades of my involvement with environment issues. Many of those professionals end up getting fired by the way --- "complainers" against policies with BAD forest management. Sometimes the term "good forest management" is co-opted by bad-forest-managers/politicians to cover for the policy of selling federal forest areas and clear-cutting them.

GAWD I wish that people who don't know the history of these things would at least ask respectful questions about whatever is of interest to them. One can always find SOMEONE to label "crazy" in any stewpot. The mainline environmental groups do not represent those "crazy" views. One of my own former students is now a highly placed administrator of the Friends of the Earth group. I didn't teach him that, and he's not "crazy."

 

[GATTACA!]

How is this the best two options in a country with 140 million people eligible to run?

Pathetic.

I think I'll just write in Yang.

 

[Bluto]

"Crazy environmental resistance" .... jeez.

Environmentalists have advocated good forest management based upon the science and the actual reports of the on-the-ground forest management professionals in DNRs and the Department of the Interior for at least six decades of my involvement with environment issues. Many of those professionals end up getting fired by the way --- "complainers" against policies with BAD forest management. Sometimes the term "good forest management" is co-opted by bad-forest-managers/politicians to cover for the policy of selling federal forest areas and clear-cutting them.

GAWD I wish that people who don't know the history of these things would at least ask respectful questions about whatever is of interest to them. One can always find SOMEONE to label "crazy" in any stewpot. The mainline environmental groups do not represent those "crazy" views. One of my own former students is now a highly placed administrator of the Friends of the Earth group. I didn't teach him that, and he's not "crazy."

Charles Hurwitz and Pacific Lumber immediately comes to mind.

 

[Bluto]

How is this the best two options a country with 140 million people eligible to run?

Pathetic.

I think I'll just write in Yang.

$$$$$$$....I mean "free speech". Lol.

 

[Luckylucci]

"Crazy environmental resistance" .... jeez.

Environmentalists have advocated good forest management based upon the science and the actual reports of the on-the-ground forest management professionals in DNRs and the Department of the Interior for at least six decades of my involvement with environment issues. Many of those professionals end up getting fired by the way --- "complainers" against policies with BAD forest management. Sometimes the term "good forest management" is co-opted by bad-forest-managers/politicians to cover for the policy of selling federal forest areas and clear-cutting them.

GAWD I wish that people who don't know the history of these things would at least ask respectful questions about whatever is of interest to them. One can always find SOMEONE to label "crazy" in any stewpot. The mainline environmental groups do not represent those "crazy" views. One of my own former students is now a highly placed administrator of the Friends of the Earth group. I didn't teach him that, and he's not "crazy."

OMM, I respect your experience on the matter but you're clearly not paying attention to what is happening nationally with those that oppose Trump at every turn he makes. No need to take it personally. If you honestly think that a detailed forest management plan would be met with open arms by California then I don't know what to tell you. There is very little recent history that Democratic runs cities or states would be accepting of his decisions.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

How is this the best two options a country with 140 million people eligible to run?

Pathetic.

I think I'll just write in Yang.

If I bother voting, I'll be writing in Kanye.

 

[Luckylucci]

If I bother voting, I'll be writing in Kanye.

It seems like this is picking up some steam. I really hope we hear of the numbers that did post election.

 

[Legacy]

So, you completely ignore the question. My point stands. Very disingenuous. Not surprising.

If your question was:

Do you think that if Trump came up with a very detailed plan for forest management and started enacting that plan in California that it wouldn't be met with some crazy environmentalist resistance, that would probably pick up a ton of national support?

Your hypothetical was addressed when I said "I don't think he has any idea about what forest management entails."

If your point was

"Well, it's Federal land he should just do something about it". Just like when it was a Federal building they were targeting and he sent in Federal agents? People lost their damn minds and blamed him for the chaos."

I didn't see the comparison between developing a federal response above and beyond what the Forest Service currently does across Presidencies to sending in federal troops to protect a federal building. Please explain.

I've posted a response to P's comment about priorities. I don't think I ignored your question. If you think I am disingenuous which is not surprising to you, you are entitled to your opinion about me.

 

[Luckylucci]

If your question was:


Your hypothetical was addressed when I said "I don't think he has any idea about what forest management entails."

If your point was I didn't see the comparison between developing a federal response above and beyond what the Forest Service currently does across Presidencies to sending in federal troops to protect a federal building. Please explain.

I've posted a response to P's comment about priorities.

Got it. You're not even trying to be intellectually honest at this point. So, I'll sign off on this for now.

 

[Bluto]

OMM, I respect your experience on the matter but you're clearly not paying attention to what is happening nationally with those that oppose Trump at every turn he makes. No need to take it personally. If you honestly think that a detailed forest management plan would be met with open arms by California then I don't know what to tell you. There is very little recent history that Democratic runs cities or states would be accepting of his decisions.

The current governor of California has been amicable and complementary to the current administration when it has been justified. We had a Republican governor as recently as 2011.

 

[PraetorianND]

If I bother voting, I'll be writing in Kanye.

Not that Kanye isn’t great and all, but damn I wish we had some actual third party options.

The two party system is an absolute joke. I think most of us on this board actually agree on like 95% of issues but the two party systems forces so much anger and hatred because of the us vs them mentality it creates.

I’ve never registered with any political party and I never will. Unfortunately that just doesn’t matter. You’re either with us or against us one way or the other, which is sad as hell.

 

[Bluto]

If I bother voting, I'll be writing in Kanye.

I'm not so sure about that.
He seems to embody the worst qualities of both candidates.

Crazy over the top ego/god complex of Trump? Check.

Lack of mental stability of Biden? Check.

If one wants to write in a rapper I'd go with Vanilla Ice. Sounds crazy but hear me out.

1. He seems like an OK guy in that he is able to be a bit self depreciating and I enjoyed his roles in the movies I have seen him in.
2. He probably could use the work. Last I saw he was doing a home renovation show on cable TV.
3. He could rally Juggalo Nation to sweep all the forest floors in one massive push!
4. He already has a great campaign slogan.

 

[Legacy]

Got it. You're not even trying to be intellectually honest at this point. So, I'll sign off on this for now.

Ok. If I were a moderator, I would say "I'd like to ask my question about your position on climate change and the environmental and your record. Please address it to those under 40. And as a follow-up, what do you consider the greatest threats to the environment."

 

[PraetorianND]

Ok. If I were a moderator, I would say "I'd like to ask my question about your position on climate change and the environmental and your record. Please address it to those under 40. And as a follow-up, what do you consider the greatest threats to the environment."

The obvious answer to this question is “Hunter Biden is a crack head,” or “shut up you racist.”

 

[tussin]

I'm wondering how many people decided not to vote at all after last night's debate.

If the answer is "a lot" then last night was successful for Trump.

 

[PraetorianND]

I'm not so sure about that.
He seems to embody the worst qualities of both candidates.

Crazy over the top ego/god complex of Trump? Check.

Lack of mental stability of Biden? Check.

If one wants to write in a rapper I'd go with Vanilla Ice. Sounds crazy but hear me out.

1. He seems like an OK guy in that he is able to be a bit self depreciating and I enjoyed his roles in the movies I have seen him in.
2. He probably could use the work. Last I saw he was doing a home renovation show on cable TV.
3. He could rally Juggalo Nation to sweep all the forest floors in one massive push!
4. He already has a great campaign slogan.

As long as we’re going this route, let’s get Too $hort nominated for the Supreme Court. Can you imagine the confirmation hearings??? Would be absolutely epic.

 

[IrishLax]

If the answer is "a lot" then last night was successful for Trump.

I'm still not really sure where you get the assumption it energized his base relative to Biden. Biden literally set an hourly donation record during the debate which is a pretty strong indicator that what his supporters saw was more motivating to get out and vote not less. And then there are things like this:<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is kinda interesting, aside from just who "won" debate<br><br>Slightly more watchers say debate made them think better of Biden (38%) than worse of him (32%): nets to +6<br><br>When it comes to Trump, more watchers say it made them think worse (42%) than better of him (24%): nets to -18 <a href="https://t.co/0tVuOg1h3K">pic.twitter.com/0tVuOg1h3K</a></p>— Kabir K. (@kabir_here) <a href="https://twitter.com/kabir_here/status/1311148351811915778?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Biden +14 versus Trump in people leaving with a positive impression, and +6 favorability. Trump -14 relative Biden, and -18 favorability. This would suggest if people watched that and now want to stay home they're likely on the right not left.

To your larger point though, only 6% of people who tuned in said they were doing so to help decide who to vote for.
This tracks with the ~7% "undecided" voters we've been seeing in polls for awhile. So you're correct that there is a relatively low vote share of undecideds.

 

[ulukinatme]

How is this the best two options a country with 140 million people eligible to run?

Pathetic.

I think I'll just write in Yang.

When Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson teased a Presidential run a few ago, I said he should run in earnest. He's used to giving speeches in front of lots of people, he's dripping with charisma, and he's quick on his feet (Figuratively and literally). He would kill the competition if he got through the primaries, and let's be honest...if you go back 30+ years the more charismatic candidate tends to win each time. Obviously smaller legit paychecks in politics...but we could have had our President Camacho.

 

[IrishLax]

When Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson teased a Presidential run a few ago, I said he should run in earnest. He's used to giving speeches in front of lots of people, he's dripping with charisma, and he's quick on his feet (Figuratively and literally). He would kill the competition if he got through the primaries, and let's be honest...if you go back 30+ years the more charismatic candidate tends to win each time. Obviously smaller legit paychecks in politics...but we could have had our President Camacho.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As a political independent & centrist, I’ve voted for both parties in the past. In this critical presidential election, I’m endorsing <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeBiden?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JoeBiden</a> & <a href="https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KamalaHarris</a>. <br><br>Progress takes courage, humanity, empathy, strength, KINDNESS & RESPECT. <br><br>We must ALL VOTE: <a href="https://t.co/rZi1mxh8DC">https://t.co/rZi1mxh8DC</a> <a href="https://t.co/auLbc8xDBv">pic.twitter.com/auLbc8xDBv</a></p>— Dwayne Johnson (@TheRock) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRock/status/1310198847835000834?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[tussin]

I'm still not really sure where you get the assumption it energized his base relative to Biden. Biden literally set an hourly donation record during the debate which is a pretty strong indicator that what his supporters saw was more motivating to get out and vote not less.

If a lot of people decided not to vote last night I think it's good for Trump because it appears his base is rock solid. His approval ratings don't really move and I think we can all assume that his people will show up to vote for him.

If people watched last night and said "eff it I'm not voting for either of these idiots," I would guess they would come from upper-middle class, well-educated, centrist types or super-progressive, disillusioned Bernie-Bros. Entering last night, polls suggested both of those groups are solidly in Biden's camp already (and are no longer considered 'undecided').

All that said, the stats you shared suggest that didn't happen.

 

[Irish#1]

We can all listen here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xumSYFtQIt0
(I don't know how to embed it, but it's a video of the exchange)

To the bolded - This is a defeatist attitude that so many have, imagine any other time in modern history giving a pass on a US sitting president for not being able to say white supremacy is wrong.

It's not a defeatist attitude and your reply is exactly what I was referring to. It's been a while, but to make sure you understand where I'm coming from, I did not vote for Trump.

 

[PraetorianND]

When Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson teased a Presidential run a few ago, I said he should run in earnest. He's used to giving speeches in front of lots of people, he's dripping with charisma, and he's quick on his feet (Figuratively and literally). He would kill the competition if he got through the primaries, and let's be honest...if you go back 30+ years the more charismatic candidate tends to win each time. Obviously smaller legit paychecks in politics...but we could have had our President Camacho.

Miami grad. No fucking thanks.

 

[Irish#1]

If a lot of people decided not to vote last night I think it's good for Trump because it appears his base is rock solid. His approval ratings don't really move and I think we can all assume that his people will show up to vote for him.

If people watched last night and said "eff it I'm not voting for either of these idiots," I would guess they would come from upper-middle class, well-educated, centrist types or super-progressive, disillusioned Bernie-Bros. Entering last night, polls suggested both of those groups are solidly in Biden's camp already (and are no longer considered 'undecided').

All that said, the stats you shared suggest that didn't happen.

I'm not sure I trust any of the polls and right now I have no idea who's going to win. I wouldn't be surprised if either wins in a squeaker or a runaway. I just wish Perot hadn't been to early for his time.

We should all write in Whiskey. Can you imagine the news reports? CBS Election Reports: In a strange twist, a write in candidate by the name of Whiskeyjack is showing strong support across many states. At this time it looks like he's drawing votes away from both candidates.

 

[ulukinatme]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As a political independent & centrist, I’ve voted for both parties in the past. In this critical presidential election, I’m endorsing <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeBiden?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JoeBiden</a> & <a href="https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KamalaHarris</a>. <br><br>Progress takes courage, humanity, empathy, strength, KINDNESS & RESPECT. <br><br>We must ALL VOTE: <a href="https://t.co/rZi1mxh8DC">https://t.co/rZi1mxh8DC</a> <a href="https://t.co/auLbc8xDBv">pic.twitter.com/auLbc8xDBv</a></p>— Dwayne Johnson (@TheRock) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRock/status/1310198847835000834?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Of the three people in that clip, Dwayne was the most warm and likeable. If the left fails in Nov, they really should do everything they can to try and get him into politics. He would kill it.

Miami grad. No fucking thanks.

School choices aside, I can acknowledge Rock's popularity. Camera loves him, people love him, he'd be a shoe in regardless of party affiliation.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

I know he’s a republican but Dan Crenshaw has had some great guests on recently and some real insight into clean energy, environmental issues, and forest fires from some of said guests. I know some won’t listen due to politics, but he puts out some behind the scenes info that may open some eyes. For the record I’m an independent, I heard him on Jocko and gave some episodes a listen.