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Thanks.
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Chubler was the poster regarding Bryant.
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You know if these kids are all so mentally weak that they want to quit and take their ball home after THREE freaking games then good riddance. They may be very talented but come on, if you want to quit after three games you need a reality check.
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Alright let's back up a bit...
Some anonymous guy posted crap about Bryant not being happy about PT after Temple blah blah blah on a board I don't read. Is this true? I have no idea. I don't know who the guy is or what kind of credibility he has.
With Folston, I've heard a lot of different places that he tried to flip (or at least really considered flipping) to Auburn on NSD. Anyone who seriously considers choosing Auburn over Notre Dame is only focused on the football when making that choice. So with that as the back drop, I heard pre-season that he's one of those kids who is likely to bolt if things aren't going the way he wants. I have not heard anything during the season. Who knows if things have changed and maybe he loves ND. But he's only touched the ball a marginal amount and the team is playing like crap right now. So unless he has a strong prognosis for PT I wouldn't count on him sticking around long term and waiting for his chance as an upperclassmen.
I don't think anyone would say transfers are imminent or any crap like that. Frankly, I wouldn't blame either kid that much if they don't get opportunities this year as they're both more talented than GAIII and McDaniel (but McDaniel is the only back capable of doing everything he is asked to do correctly at this moment, so I really don't mind the coaches playing him in the redzone or when they need 3-8 yards on a given down). But we'll have to see how the year plays out. GAIII is just not very good. He doesn't run violently enough... he's a sprinter trying to pretend he's a RB.
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Thanks for the clarification. I fully expect to at least see much more of Bryant or Folston by years end. I would like to see Mahone but IDK where the touches come from unless we up the tempo and start housing people.
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For one if they are that worried about playing time are they really going to want to transfer and have to sit out an entire year? Also if they assume they are such big time recruits who should be instant starters, I am guessing they are going to want to transfer to a big time program? Well guess what, all big time programs have alot of talent, and if they don't they are recruiting big time talent, and if they can't recruit big time talent they won't be a big time program for long. These kids are going to have competition wherever they go. Its only game 3. Actually if I am them I am encouraged by what I see ahead of me on the depth chart, I would be thinking if I ball out in practice I have an opportunity to take this RB gig over. I personally am ok with how the coaches have handled the freshman running backs so far. Kelly is obviously trying to get them involved and to keep them interested. I am sure he envisioned being able to get them in the game more against Purdue with a comfortable lead, but obviously that didn't happen. I feel like his biggest issue with the freshman backs are pass protection and ball security. They need an opportunity in a game with a comfortable lead to gain kelly and staffs trust. Again its only game 3, there is alot of time left for these kids to get involved in a major way. No way are they transfering mid season. Its time to let this thing play out and everyone relax a bit. Just my 2 cents.
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Personally, I'm OK with a player being upset about not playing. If they're not unhappy, I don't think I want them. Given the performance of the O and D line in addition to the really below average performance of the top two backs, I wouldn't blame any of the backups for being pissed.
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Given the way our RB situation is shaping up I'd expect there'll be lots of opportunities this season for anyone who'll step up and take it. GAIII seems to have already slipped behind Carlisle as RB1, and maybe McDaniel. Bryant or Folston could at least leap into the second spot, and if they're as good as advertised, one will before long.
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They got to be given an opportunity first..if they play and shine the youth movement could take over and force Martin to simplify. That would be huge!
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And, I suspect, if they learn to block, they'll be given an opportunity.
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What back does all the blocking when we go empty backfield all the time?
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The backs who can block and catch and shift in and out between RB and slot receiver. Like Carlisle. We're not initially lining up in an empty backfield all that often.
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The RB situation is going to be a cluster **** for the next year and a half with all five of these guys coming back next season (assuming no transfers). I'm not confident we'll ever get clarity at the position.
With that said, it's not a bad 'problem' to have.
With that said, it's not a bad 'problem' to have.
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Since we announce we are running with daniels in, we should just run with Bryant and folston and pass with Amir then...
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That's why we need Elijah Hood!
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I agree 100% my man...we need a power back in the worst way.
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Did you mean to put this in italics? Hood would be a nice addition but it's definitely not a need and would only add to the cluster **** at the position.
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You mean Daniel Smith?
I don't know. I think the best, most complete, RBs should play. Right now, I can see why Bryant and Folston - while they might be among the two or three best runners - aren't among the most complete. Few running backs come out of high school with high-level blocking skills (or receiving skills for that matter) and it takes time to pick up the multiple roles we ask our RBs to fill.
If they're as good as advertised, they'll get it, and play more. If not, I'm not sure it's worth the risk of getting our only decent QB injured so that Tarean Folston can feel like the coaches value him in our fourth game and not decide to transfer four months from now.
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Sorry, yes. I thought the sarcasm was obvious.
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That said, how awesome would our running game be next year with the current bunch, Hood and Golson back? Yikes.
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I thought so at first, but Irishman's response gave me some doubt.
Hood would be a great addition. I don't think he'd see the field much in 2014, but our 2015 (with Amir, Bryant and Folston) and 2016 (with Bryant and Folston) backfields would be epic.
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But, wait, if Hood doesn't see the field much in '14, won't he transfer?
Sorry, beating a dead horse here, I know. But it's hard to resist. Either way, I'd still love to have Hood. Maybe one of these guys goes and plays defense or something.
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I don't have a problem with guys transferring. That shows a "me" attitude and the fewer players like that on the team, the better. I also don't think it reveals a character flaw. You have one chance to maximize your opportunity at the college level and if you feel you will have a better opportunity elsewhere, best of luck to you. Addition by subtraction.
Edit: I should clarify this and say I don't have a problem with "timely" transfers, meaning those that happen before NSD or allow the staff to fill with 5Y seniors. Transfers in the spring or summer can be detrimental to our depth and scholarship numbers, and that's not a good thing.
Edit: I should clarify this and say I don't have a problem with "timely" transfers, meaning those that happen before NSD or allow the staff to fill with 5Y seniors. Transfers in the spring or summer can be detrimental to our depth and scholarship numbers, and that's not a good thing.
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If Greg Bryant left the program this board would explode....i personally think ND fans are just so incredibly fickle towards the thought of players transferring right now that this place would have a giant melt down. With that being said i don't think he is going anywhere, he sees the writing on the wall. He could very well be the starting back the next 3 years
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This. I expect there will be a transfer at RB or a position move in the next year. I was surprised when Hood committed in the first place. We've got 6 guys right now at the position, and all 6 are viable to come back next season, but I doubt all of them will. If Bryant or Folston were to leave, it wouldn't be the end of the world. I don't want players that want positions handed to them. Win your position in practice. Don't expect to start as a freshmen unless you're performing better than your upperclassmen peers.
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I mean that says it all. We can't put a guy in the game just because he doesn't think he should have to earn his game reps in practice. If it's handed to you, you won't work hard to keep it. Indulging prima donnas is just no way to run a program.
By the way, I'm not calling either Bryant or Folston a prima donna ... for all we know they fully intend to work hard and earn their playing time and they have no intention of transferring. Just speaking hypothetically.
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Indeed. I wouldn't call either of the players prima donnas either. All we've heard is some random speculation from people "in the know." For all we know, Bryant and Folston are happy in South Bend, we haven't heard anything credible otherwise.
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Let me add to the list:
-If Greg Bryant got into the game early and fumbled at the ND 20 yard line (or in the red zone at a critical point) -> we would have a giant melt down
-If Tarean Foltson was in at RB, missed an audible, and Tommy got crushed and knocked out for the season -> we would have a giant melt down
-If Folston and/or Bryant come out of the tunnel wearing white Adidas rather than black Nikes -> we will have a melt down
-If Kelly plays the freshmen, and then Amir Carlisle decides to leave because he's not getting PT -> we would have a giant melt down
-If ND doesn't score a TD on its first drive MSU -> we will have a giant melt down