Tommy Rees - Offensive Coordinator

[stlnd01]

Coan pyne Buchner on paper is very similar… it’s all development … coan didn’t need developed and either does Hartman

Our issue was NOT Kelly recruiting

In what sense are Coan, Pyne and Buchner “very similar”? In terms of skill sets, they’re really all three quite different. Maybe that was part of the problem.

And does Rees get no credit for developing Ian Book?

 

[ulukinatme]

Coan pyne Buchner on paper is very similar… it’s all development … coan didn’t need developed and either does Hartman

Our issue was NOT Kelly recruiting

Really? Explain turning Book in to a 4th rounder and playing above his ranking? How did he minimize Pyne's limitations and manage to win a lot of games last year? Explain Rees bringing in 3 of the best QBs ND has seen in a long time within 6 months after Kelly took off? None of this fits your narrative.

 

[PutuporShutup]

In what sense are Coan, Pyne and Buchner “very similar”? In terms of skill sets, they’re really all three quite different. Maybe that was part of the problem.

And does Rees get no credit for developing Ian Book?

Those 3 are similar to the talent/rankings as the 3 post Kelly that was mentioned

Ian books best year was when he was thrown into action after a few games in 2018. When he became the focus the next 2 years his play regressed each year. I guess Rees can have credit for having him ready to play in 17/18 but he definitely didn’t teach him how to improve in the pocket, throwing over the middle or downfield … it kept getting worse

 

[PutuporShutup]

Really? Explain turning Book in to a 4th rounder and playing above his ranking? How did he minimize Pyne's limitations and manage to win a lot of games last year? Explain Rees bringing in 3 of the best QBs ND has seen in a long time within 6 months after Kelly took off? None of this fits your narrative.

Huh? It was a mistake taking book in the fourth, we all knew that then and it’s come true

Book regressed each year under Rees

Hartman is similar to coan… jury is out in carr and minchey. My point was when Kelly was here we landed 2 very highly rated qbs and a great transfer recently in coan pyne and Buchner, they just weren’t developed and or overrated. It’s not like qb recruiting on paper was bad before, it just wasn’t good enough in games. Rees was over qbs. I’m ok Rees left, think it was a mistake by him though

We won games last year DESPITE qb play, not because of it. We all know that!

 

[ulukinatme]

Huh? It was a mistake taking book in the fourth, we all knew that then and it’s come true

Book regressed each year under Rees

Hartman is similar to coan… jury is out in carr and minchey. My point was when Kelly was here we landed 2 very highly rated qbs and a great transfer recently in coan pyne and Buchner, they just weren’t developed and or overrated. It’s not like qb recruiting on paper was bad before, it just wasn’t good enough in games. Rees was over qbs. I’m ok Rees left, think it was a mistake by him though

We won games last year DESPITE qb play, not because of it. We all know that!

Maybe it was a mistake for New Orleans, but do you think Book is complaining? Doesn't change the fact Rees helped turn him into the winningest QB in ND history along with 2 playoff appearances.

The talent around Book regressed too. He went from throwing to Claypool and Kmet to a trio of Javon McKinley (Basically a blocking TE), Sko (Northwestern transfer), and AD (Converted QB). Love those guys for stepping up, lots of heart there, but not exactly world beaters as far as WR talent goes.

Hartman is not similar to Coan. Hartman set records. Coan was basically cast away by Wisconsin. Coan was a decent pocket passer, but I think we'll see a lot more from Hartman this year. Coan, Pyne, and Buchner are nowhere near Carr, Minchey, and Hartman. That's a stretch of biblical proportions.

We won games last year despite QB play, sure, but we also won games due to QB play. While not every game was great, Rees did manage Pyne very well at times and certainly got more out of him than he probably should have.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Maybe it was a mistake for New Orleans, but do you think Book is complaining? Doesn't change the fact Rees helped turn him into the winningest QB in ND history along with 2 playoff appearances.

The talent around Book regressed too. He went from throwing to Claypool and Kmet to a trio of Javon McKinley (Basically a blocking TE), Sko (Northwestern transfer), and AD (Converted QB). Love those guys for stepping up, lots of heart there, but not exactly world beaters as far as WR talent goes.

Hartman is not similar to Coan. Hartman set records. Coan was basically cast away by Wisconsin. Coan was a decent pocket passer, but I think we'll see a lot more from Hartman this year. Coan, Pyne, and Buchner are nowhere near Carr, Minchey, and Hartman. That's a stretch of biblical proportions.

We won games last year despite QB play, sure, but we also won games due to QB play. While not every game was great, Rees did manage Pyne very well at times and certainly got more out of him than he probably should have.

Talent around book did go down at the wr spot for sure

I do agree Hartman is better than coan

 

[stlnd01]

Those 3 are similar to the talent/rankings as the 3 post Kelly that was mentioned

Hartman is better than Coan. Their college resumes are not comparable.

Minchey was a four-star recruit (93 rating on 247). Pyne was a three-star (87 rating on 247). Minchey is clearly a better QB recruit than Pyne was.

Buchner was highly-rated, yes, but Carr is rated even higher. Also Buchner played very little high school football.

I don’t even know what we’re taking about here. The goalpost-moving is endless.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Hartman is better than Coan. Their college resumes are not comparable.

Minchey was a four-star recruit (93 rating on 247). Pyne was a three-star (87 rating on 247). Minchey is clearly a better QB recruit than Pyne was.

Buchner was highly-rated, yes, but Carr is rated even higher. Also Buchner played very little high school football.

I don’t even know what we’re taking about here. The goalpost-moving is endless.

I use rivals… Buchner and pyne 5.9, carr 6.0 minchey 5.8.

I was not high on pyne but actually I thought Buchner would be better (pre throwing change) than I think carr will be. Hopefully I got that one really really wrong.

Completely agree that Hartman has had a much better career and I expect him to have a better year than coan did. With that said, coan had a good year statistically

 

[PutuporShutup]

Well, to use your buck stops with Freeman schtick, Rees was 110% a Kelly issue.

Agree, issue was development of the qb position and Kelly has to take blame there.

 

[irishff1014]

Agree, issue was development of the qb position and Kelly has to take blame there.

Yup because he hired Rees.

 

[IA4irish]

You people spend way too much time thinking about Tommy Rees

 

[PutuporShutup]

You people spend way too much time thinking about Tommy Rees

you mean our last offensive coordinator that left for the same position at Alabama 5 months ago, who is a big reason we have a really good QB finally! And our starting QB from last year left for him just a few months ago.

Tommy rees will be watched closely by all here for the entire 2023 season at minimum.

 

[IA4irish]

you mean our last offensive coordinator that left for the same position at Alabama 5 months ago, who is a big reason we have a really good QB finally! And our starting QB from last year left for him just a few months ago.

Tommy rees will be watched closely by all here for the entire 2023 season at minimum.

You mean the overrated offensive coordinator who wasn't a good recruiter, who gave away all inside information to the beat writers? Nah, I'm good without him

 

[Huntr]

 

[Huntr]

 

[IrishLax]

Georgie Porker has some big shoes to fill

 

[PutuporShutup]

There's no doubt Rees is smart.......... but that doesn't always translate to coaching, development, game planning, calling plays, etc etc.

There's a reason our team last year on offense came out flat almost every frichan game.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

What else is he supposed to say? "Gee, we really needed a new OC and there weren't many names out there. We interviewed a ton, got turned down a few times, and now we're stuck with Rees." ?

 

[CoachB]

I'm telling you guys...Tommy is a way bigger loss than you think. I think he was/is very, very good. It now appears Nick agrees with what I've been saying.

 

[dublinirish]

I'm telling you guys...Tommy is a way bigger loss than you think. I think he was/is very, very good. It now appears Nick agrees with what I've been saying.

hes not gonna stand up there and say he hates Tommy guts and he's a punk

 

[CoachB]

hes not gonna stand up there and say he hates Tommy guts and he's a punk

Agree, and I know that's the only thing the hater crowd can point to...or...he's being genuine and it's true. Saban has never been one to be excessive with praise. I think everyone will see...

 

[DONTH8]

Agree, and I know that's the only thing the hater crowd can point to...or...he's being genuine and it's true. Saban has never been one to be excessive with praise. I think everyone will see...

He lost us both Marshall and Stanford last year. Still has a lot to learn. But I think potentially he could be great if his ego doesn't get in the way like any coach.

 

[BoredIrish]

it'll be interesting to see how much leeway Tommy gets in game planning at Bama.

I think MF gave him free reign, but I cant see Saban doing the same. Plus he has an army of non-coaching analysts at his disposal now. Cant see him just disregarding them and doing his own thing.

 

[CoachB]

He lost us both Marshall and Stanford last year. Still has a lot to learn. But I think potentially he could be great if his ego doesn't get in the way like any coach.

Agree that he still has a lot to learn, and he will. As far as those two games go, you are only as good as your o line. If you win up front, anything you call works. If you lose up front, nothing you call works. Simple as that.

 

[GATTACA!]

Georgie Porker has some big shoes to fill

Big shoes. Big big shoes. Big big shoes. Big BIG shoes.

 

[Giddyup]

That’s some pretty high praise from a legend for Tommy. I tend to agree with Saban. He was very good for us.

 

[Giddyup]

There was nothing wrong with our schemes against Marshall. Our O line couldn’t open a damn hole to save their lives that day.

 

[Blazers46]

I'm telling you guys...Tommy is a way bigger loss than you think. I think he was/is very, very good. It now appears Nick agrees with what I've been saying.

Wasn’t Tommy choice number 10 for the OC gig at Bama?

 

[PutuporShutup]

There was nothing wrong with our schemes against Marshall. Our O line couldn’t open a damn hole to save their lives that day.

The large problem in that game is Tommy as QB and OC didn't have a QB prepared to play. Second half OSU stacked the box and took away easy short throws, marshall did the same. Buchner couldn't hit anything downfield despite having wrs wide open. Plus he threw one of his famous insanely bad pick 6's. Heck, he threw a pick earlier that almost was a pick 6. Gosh he was so poorly prepared

There's other reasons we lost, Run D, oline, team was flat, etc that fall more on freeman.



Painful but watch this. 50 second mark, all day every day pre snap tells you they are letting styles go 1 on 1 with no help, you go to him all day every day, and heck he whipped his guy. This play should have been a 40 yd td instead it was a pick. No clue how you pre read decide to throw this out wide with all the coverage there. If he looks right and goes left like any good QB would know pre snap, he has easy throw inside for td.

4:29. Same thing. Safety help on the near side and no help on the far side with 3 wide and only 3 in coverage. All day you identify best option to the right since there's 2 to defend 1 on the near side. if he goes right like any qb does, he realizes Mayer completely uncovered on 3rd and 3 for simple first down and potential big YAC. instead pick 6. Absolutely as bad as it gets QB play and that's partially on rees at minimum.

Both plays Oline protected great. I have no clue how you make both of those pre snap decisions.

 

[sixstar]

Tommy was a great theorist. His stuff is imaginative and works well when players execute. However, I felt like he tried to force his theory on the offense before it was ready to execute it. I would've liked to see him use play calls that had more margin for execution error to account for the human component.