Tommy Rees - Offensive Coordinator

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FWIW, a poster that has been vetted by the II staff claims that Rees leaving has no impact on Hartman staying at ND.

He didn't say the exact reasons, but I guess there are a couple commas involved.
 

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Not a great look for an ND guy to leave ND to coach elsewhere when ND is supposed to be in the rise with Freeman

The only saving grace here is that he is leaving for the Big Dog in college football the past 15 years.
 

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I saw Monk Malloy at a grocery store in South Bend yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Alright, I need to step in and defend Monk...had a lot of great interactions with him as a student and one of the nicest people. Always said hello and I have a picture with him and my brother after graduation.
 

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Not a great look for an ND guy to leave ND to coach elsewhere when ND is supposed to be in the rise with Freeman

The only saving grace here is that he is leaving for the Big Dog in college football the past 15 years.
So it's not a great look that he could be leaving to go work for the juggernaut of the sport?

The dude has been a constant pariah as both a player and coach. His being an "ND guy" are words that ring rather hollow with that being said. He hasn't exactly always felt the warmth embrace of the fanbase and has spent a third of his life at the university.

Tommy doesn't owe ND or any of it's fans jack shit.
 

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So it's not a great look that he could be leaving to go work for the juggernaut of the sport?

The dude has been a constant pariah as both a player and coach. His being an "ND guy" are words that ring rather hollow with that being said. He hasn't exactly always felt the warmth embrace of the fanbase and has spent a third of his life at the university.

Tommy doesn't owe ND or any of it's fans jack shit.
Preach brotha Jigga!!!! 100% agree.
 

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If Hartman is going to stay, then let him walk. Let Freeman go get his guy.
 

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So it's not a great look that he could be leaving to go work for the juggernaut of the sport?

The dude has been a constant pariah as both a player and coach. His being an "ND guy" are words that ring rather hollow with that being said. He hasn't exactly always felt the warmth embrace of the fanbase and has spent a third of his life at the university.

Tommy doesn't owe ND or any of it's fans jack shit.
I never suggested Tommy owed ND anything. . . My point was this is not good look for ND to lose an ND guy to Bama when we are supposed to be building a new era under Freeman. My post had nothing to do with the stream your swimming in right now.

He IS an ND guy, played here, coached here, and as you said spent 1/3rd of his life on the campus. It doesn't matter he has never been Brady Quinn or Jimmy Clausen in his reception or physical capabilities, he is still an ND guy. And it is not as if the guy hasn't earned some of the piss thrown at him. You know the cop incident as a player. . . or as a coach 1st and goal at the 3 after running the ball down the opponents throat and throwing a pick 6 to tie the game instead of going up by 14 late. Let's not make him a martyred saint and act as if he own actions haven't been a significant part of his angst at ND.
 

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The only thing I'm 100% certain of here is that if Tommy is still the OC at Notre Dame next year, and struggles, and people complain about him, it will be offered as unassailable proof of his acumen the fact that Saban desperately wanted him and would have hired him except for (bunch of PR posted by beat reporters.)
 

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If Hartman is going to stay, then let him walk. Let Freeman go get his guy.
Yep. If Hartman is solid, I'm a lot less worried about Rees leaving. Freeman will have good options to hire a new OC. Just don't want to blow up a QB room that finally feels stabilized in the process.
 

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Yep. If Hartman is solid, I'm a lot less worried about Rees leaving. Freeman will have good options to hire a new OC. Just don't want to blow up a QB room that finally feels stabilized in the process.
Rees staying on made a lot of sense last season to help Freeman maintain some consistency as he went through his first year. Now that Rees has shown his cards I don't have any problem with helping him with his bags on the way out.

I think the players should feel the same.
 

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Our QB room will be Hartman, Buchner, Minchey and Carr... With a very good WR/RB/TE/OLine group... There will be OCs lining up the moment Rees leaves

Not to mention all coaches want to coach alongside Freeman right now
 

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Our QB room will be Hartman, Buchner, Minchey and Carr... With a very good WR/RB/TE/OLine group... There will be OCs lining up the moment Rees leaves

Not to mention all coaches want to coach alongside Freeman right now
I'm mean, both coordinators leaving after a below expectations season says all coaches want to coach alongside Freeman?

We'll see how the hires turn out. I imagine they'll do quite well, because it's Notre Dame. But, I'd be lying if I didn't say this still looks like first year HC still a little in over his head.
 

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Rees staying on made a lot of sense last season to help Freeman maintain some consistency as he went through his first year. Now that Rees has shown his cards I don't have any problem with helping him with his bags on the way out.

I think the players should feel the same.
I don't know about helping with the bags. He's a good coach. And when it comes to "showing his cards," remember Rees interviewed for at least two lateral jobs last year too (LSU and, later, Miami). Then stayed put.

But, yes, Rees staying last offseason was huge for stability and consistency. That's much less an issue now. I think most expected he'd move on before too long, just for his own growth. As long as he doesn't neg recruit us, bring Heistand with him, or blow up our carefully-constructed quarterback room, I'd just wish the guy luck and start interviewing for his replacement.
 

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So it's not a great look that he could be leaving to go work for the juggernaut of the sport?

The dude has been a constant pariah as both a player and coach. His being an "ND guy" are words that ring rather hollow with that being said. He hasn't exactly always felt the warmth embrace of the fanbase and has spent a third of his life at the university.

Tommy doesn't owe ND or any of it's fans jack shit.
This whole narrative where Rees is a “pariah” is crazy. Why, because people online bitch about him? His offense better never go 3and out at Bama or it will be worse.

Going to ND is probably Rees’ best decision of his life. They were his best offer (mostly MAC schools). Got to play major college football his freshman year and come in as a hero winning the last 4 games. Started 31 games, helped us go 12-0. Personally, I thought he was much more loved than criticized as a player.
 

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I never suggested Tommy owed ND anything. . . My point was this is not good look for ND to lose an ND guy to Bama when we are supposed to be building a new era under Freeman. My post had nothing to do with the stream your swimming in right now.

He IS an ND guy, played here, coached here, and as you said spent 1/3rd of his life on the campus. It doesn't matter he has never been Brady Quinn or Jimmy Clausen in his reception or physical capabilities, he is still an ND guy. And it is not as if the guy hasn't earned some of the piss thrown at him. You know the cop incident as a player. . . or as a coach 1st and goal at the 3 after running the ball down the opponents throat and throwing a pick 6 to tie the game instead of going up by 14 late. Let's not make him a martyred saint and act as if he own actions haven't been a significant part of his angst at ND.
Yeah, I'm not saying you're suggesting that. I'm suggesting that maybe being an ND guy isn't all it's cracked up to be, especially in this instance with the individual in question who has been nothing if not a lighting rod for criticism as both a player and now coach. Nor does it matter. He's free to make professional decisions as he sees fit and is not bound to answer to them to anyone because of where he went to school. Might be time to try something different, regardless of where the program may or may not be headed under Freeman.

So I ask, Bad look to who? Third generation subway alumni who have been fans of ND longer that Rees has been on Earth? At the end of the day, nobody cares where the assistant coaches went to school. If they leave, they leave. It's a profession of people who move around. Tommy Rees played at ND. He's coaching there now. If another opportunity comes along that he feels is better for him professionally, that's life. My heart pumps piss for the people who trigger about this. It happens every year. There is going to be a football program in August either way.

It's funny what people choose to remember about this guy and what they so easily forget. You know who doesn't give a flying shit about Tommy Rees' mugshot? Alabama fans. All they care about is will this guy help them win another championship. Maybe that's why he's an ND guy looking at other places. Might not be all it's cracked up to be when dudes can go online and rattle off every mistake you ever made but in the next breath talk about how it's a bad look he might be checking out other opportunities to further his career. I've been critical of him to a point as well, but there is a reason why he's getting these places to reach out to him. This could be a serious case of not really appreciating and realizing what you have until it's gone.
 

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I'm mean, both coordinators leaving after a below expectations season says all coaches want to coach alongside Freeman?

We'll see how the hires turn out. I imagine they'll do quite well, because it's Notre Dame. But, I'd be lying if I didn't say this still looks like first year HC still a little in over his head.
Both coordinators?
 

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Overall, the timing of this sucks. I'd think that we're starting spring ball by the end of the month. That gives us what a 3 week window to replace both coordinators going into spring ball? Not very ideal at all for the players or coaches.
 

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This whole narrative where Rees is a “pariah” is crazy. Why, because people online bitch about him? His offense better never go 3and out at Bama or it will be worse.

Going to ND is probably Rees’ best decision of his life. They were his best offer (mostly MAC schools). Got to play major college football his freshman year and come in as a hero winning the last 4 games. Started 31 games, helped us go 12-0. Personally, I thought he was much more loved than criticized as a player.
Like I said, it's funny what people recall and what they forget.

When he was a player, it came down to two things: What he was capable of doing and who decided to accept that or dwell on it constantly.
 

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Related question I've never really been clear on. How important is Bill Rees to our program?
I know he's well-regarded as a longtime NFL/College evaluator of talent and his title is "Director of Scouting." So I assume he works a lot with the recruiting operation. Does he also scout opponents? He's been here a long time and I assume it's more than reverse nepotism keeping him in the job.
Assuming he too would be gone in if Tommy goes to Bama, how big a loss is that?
 

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Overall, the timing of this sucks. I'd think that we're starting spring ball by the end of the month. That gives us what a 3 week window to replace both coordinators going into spring ball? Not very ideal at all for the players or coaches.
spring ball isn't that important in the scheme of things. It's about evaluating players and their progressions less so about scheme/playbook install
 
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