Tommy Rees - Offensive Coordinator

[dublinirish]

The worst part of ISD is Mike Frank, far and away lol

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Tbf ISD caters to different demographics by having Jamie and Matt for informed fans and then Mike is for the olds.


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[ThePiombino]

Tbf ISD caters to different demographics by having Jamie and Matt for informed fans and then Mike is for the olds.


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Perhaps, but something tells me MF being for the olds wasn't exactly in the business proposal lol

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[Irish#1]

Being an old, I can you that Frank is last on my reading list.

 

[BeatSC]

If the play goes for a touchdown or TB sees the defender and airmails it into the third row no one bats an eye. Everything went sideways and it’s being beaten to death. Tommy called a damn good game.

Most of us would still be think “WTF!” Even if the play works. The offense isn’t his personal playground. Want to see Tommy mention he had a brain fart on that one. Reading how almost all his games he did a good job making his play calls. In all our losses except USC his Playcalling sucked. Our D kept us in ALL those games and 2 of 3 were home heavily favored games but it took him too long to figure out how to move the ball. Stanford and Marshall are both on Tommy and Harry too. We have enough offensive talent to field two offenses and other OCs would have had this team averaging 40 points a game. Not a big fan of Pyne beyond his toughness but I bet he does better at QB at ASU under a different OC. I’m ok if I’m wrong.

Have to think after the dust has settled that Freeman has a chat with Tommy re that goal line Int call and asks him WTF was he thinking? We scored 45 sure but how many pints did we score against two inferior teams at home with our starting TE?

I will give it to a Tommy that he had some real limitations at QB all season that even he would have started this year if on the roster.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

If the play goes for a touchdown or TB sees the defender and airmails it into the third row no one bats an eye. Everything went sideways and it’s being beaten to death. Tommy called a damn good game.

Agreed. I don’t have a problem w/ the call but Buchner’s decision making was horrible. It should be like the TD play to Evans…if it’s not wide open, throw it in the stands.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Being an old, I can you that Frank is last on my reading list.

He’s insufferable

 

[Domina Nostra]

Regarding Tommy, I like him and don't think he should be judged based on the results of Drew Pyne, regardless of his culpability in the QB room. Once the QB room is healthy (hopefully next year), I think he will be excellent. I would hate to let him go and watch him thrive somewhere else, which I fully expect he would.

The only things I really don't understand about Tommy (more of a reflection of me than him) are:

(1) all the running on 2nd and 10+ out of obvious run formations . . . I get the occasional draw play to get some cheap yards, but I almost feel like it is an NFL mentality where you have to stay balanced and call plays against tendencies even if it makes no sense (like calling a passing play on 1st and goal at the 4 yard line);

(2) all of the scrunched-up or one-sided WR formations, rather than spreading it out and making the DBs worry about both sides of the field more--it seems like it really works against the running game;

(3) the lack of more misdirection in the run game--confusion is your friend against college defenses;

(4) substituting Tyree for Diggs or Estime in the red zone (or letting the RB coach plug him in), when you got down there using a power scheme.

 

[Giddyup]

You run on second to make the defense have to cover more area and move up on 3rd down.

 

[Dale]

Same usage

all of the scrunched-up or one-sided WR formations, rather than spreading it out and making the DBs worry about both sides of the field more--it seems like it really works against the running game;

(3) the lack of more misdirection in the run game--confusion is your friend against college defenses;

I think these are pretty off tbh. A lot of the formation stuff is the misdirection and is for the run game. Example:



Formation into boundary is a staple of a lot of power spreads these days. OSU in particular.

 

[Giddyup]

3rd and 10 defense doesn’t have to “engage” as quickly and cover as much space vertically vs 3rd and 5.

 

[IrishLion]

Same usage


I think these are pretty off tbh. A lot of the formation stuff is the misdirection and is for the run game. Example:

Our guy Dan Orlovsky, who loves him some Tommy Rees, would agree with you that the bunched/tight formations are a supplement, not a detriment.



^Obviously that's not Tommy/ND, but the motion and formations the Giants use being similar, but not *quite* the same are a staple of Tommy's RPO/motion offense in the same way. You run the same 6/7 plays throughout the game, but with slightly differing formations and motions to set things up, get pre-snap reads, and to pull certain defenders in certain directions both pre AND post-snap.

 

[sixstar]

We just had half-a-page worth of posts complaining about someone other than Tommy Rees in the Tommy Rees thread.

2023 is already weird.

 

[Dale]

Search FIB (Formation into Boundary) and some random generic football term like run and you’ll find football nerd Twitter

 

[Domina Nostra]

I said I like Tommy and he's good, I was just saying what I don't like.

There did not seem like a lot of RB misdirection to me--a bit, but not much. There did seem to be a lot of shifting and interesting formations. That is good stuff.

And the Giants only scored 25 points once in the first 15 games, and only hit 30 in their last game (against the 4-11 Colts) : 21, 19, 16, 20, 27, 24, 23, 13, 24, 18, 20, 20, 22, 20, 24 . . . Not who I want to be imitating.

Listen, I get the concepts, and know that they can work sometimes, I was just not a huge fan of how are passing game--which was not producing big plays because of QB + WR limitations--was also clogging up the center of the field. If we had a dynamic QB who could throw little quick screens and stuff, then great.

 

[IrishLion]

Haha! The Giants only scored 25 points once in the first 15 games, and only hit 30 in their last game (against the 4-11 Colts) : 21, 19, 16, 20, 27, 24, 23, 13, 24, 18, 20, 20, 22, 20, 24 . . . Not who I want to be imitating.

Listen, I get the concepts, and know that they can work sometimes, I was just not a huge fan of how are passing game--which was not producing big plays because of QB + WR limitations--was also clogging up the center of the field.

I'm not saying imitate them, just supporting that the use of bunch formations isn't necessarily a detriment in terms of spacing, because it isn't designed to take advantage of space... it's designed to take advantage of the defense's movement.

HOWEVER. I missed the first half of the convo about your post being directly related to spacing. My apologies.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Haha! The Giants only scored 25 points once in the first 15 games, and only hit 30 in their last game (against the 4-11 Colts) : 21, 19, 16, 20, 27, 24, 23, 13, 24, 18, 20, 20, 22, 20, 24 . . . Not who I want to be imitating.

Listen, I get the concepts, and know that they can work sometimes, I was just not a huge fan of how are passing game--which was not producing big plays because of QB + WR limitations--was also clogging up the center of the field.

I'm not saying imitate them, just supporting that the use of bunch formations isn't necessarily a detriment in terms of spacing, because it isn't designed to take advantage of space... it's designed to take advantage of the defense's movement.

HOWEVER. I missed the first half of the convo about your post being directly related to spacing. My apologies.

Haha! No problem, I am sure you are closer to the truth than I am. I'm a layman's layman.

 

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[calvegas04]

Tommy getting it done on the offensive side recruiting wise, time for team defense to step up.

 

[NDMatt91]

Tommy deserves a lot of credit for being able to reel in Sam Hartman, especially with the current NIL environment. Quite a few people were panicking when other QB's went elsewhere, but it's clear that Tommy and Freeman did their homework and had a good idea of who they'd be able to get. There almost certainly will not be a QB with Hartman's resume who will enter the portal. Bravo, Tommy!

 

[ndfanatic78]

As stated in another thread: CJ Carr, Kenny Minchey, and Sam Hartman is all thats needed to be said. Pretty damn impressive for someone who cant recruit.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Yeah, he probably even deserves a partial for the rest of the offensive commits. I'm certain he was a part of the equation for many of them.

 

[RipWheeler]

I shall be feasting upon crow and humble pie for weeks to come. Well done Tommy!

 

[irishff1014]

Great work Tommy. Glad to see you buckled down and got your guy.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

But Hartman reached out to ND
Does that even count as a Tommy win???

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

As stated in another thread: CJ Carr, Kenny Minchey, and Sam Hartman is all thats needed to be said. Pretty damn impressive for someone who cant recruit.

Kenny and Sam. CJ isn't on campus yet and it would be very premature to consider him a lock.
That kid is about to get the BAG thrown at him by dozens of schools.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Kenny and Sam. CJ isn't on campus yet and it would be very premature to consider him a lock.
That kid is about to get the BAG thrown at him by dozens of schools.

It's a little premature to be talking about the premature bags that will be dropping.

Just let him have the credit and we'll revisit.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

It's a little premature to be talking about the premature bags that will be dropping.

Just let him have the credit and we'll revisit.

TONS of credit for the early verbal, and I hope he sticks. I just think the Bowen and Keeley recruitment should be a cautionary tale to the board counting their chickens.

Read the board a year ago and we ended up losing our 2-3 top "committed" players.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Our resident haters are going to have a long off-season waiting for that first Hartman interception to blast Tommy.

Hartman's TOs will basically be arm-punts. Much easier to live with those.

 

[Dale]

TONS of credit for the early verbal, and I hope he sticks. I just think the Bowen and Keeley recruitment should be a cautionary tale to the board counting their chickens.

Read the board a year ago and we ended up losing our 2-3 top "committed" players.

Both Bowen and Keeley also visited places almost immediately after. CJ…..hasn’t.


CJ seems far more likely to be in the bucket of Drayk Bowen and Brenan Vernon and have his ranking dinged due to lack of drama.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Both Bowen and Keeley also visited places almost immediately after. CJ…..hasn’t.


CJ seems far more likely to be in the bucket of Drayk Bowen and Brenan Vernon and have his ranking dinged due to lack of drama.

I’m not saying he’s leaving or not 100% solid.
I’m saying talking about him like he’s already on campus is extremely premature and the board should know better. Getting his verbal is a huge accomplishment and shouldn’t be overlooked, but that’s all it is at this time.

Hartman, TB, SA, and Kenny is an awesome group. Next year IF Carr enrolls, we can add him to the list.