Tommy Rees - Offensive Coordinator

[NDRock]

All 6-3, 216 of him sucked against the Power Five opponents he faced. I suppose he's tall and lean so he looks cute in shorts, maybe he paints his nails like Caleb Williams?

There's a reason he's at Ohio and there's a reason he sucked against Penn State and Iowa State.

Drew Pyne is better than every QB in the MAC. Regardless of jean size.

Maybe but put Drew behind a MAC level OL, with a MAC level running game, throwing to MAC level WRs and TEs and see how he does against P5 schools.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Maybe but put Drew behind a MAC level OL, with a MAC level running game, throwing to MAC level WRs and TEs and see how he does against P5 schools.

And you think Billy two star from Newark or wherever the fuck Ohio walks into this ND team and does better than 8-4?

 

[NDRock]

And you think Billy two star from Newark or wherever the fuck Ohio walks into this ND team and does better than 8-4?

I never said he would. I also never said Drew Pyne is better than every QB in the MAC. You did.

 

[317Irish]

So I would agree with you re: his floor and that we can't afford to have games where our QB plays that badly. Those are fair enough.

But the kid played very well given the situation he was thrust into - unexpected starter, historically awful WR corps, etc. At the beginning of the season he had one legitimate receiving option in Mayer (that changed over the last 2-3 games of the season).

So I know it looked this way on paper, but part of this was Pyne’s doing. He locked on to receivers, didn’t go through progressions, refused to take what the defense gave him, and as a result he missed way too many open guys. A different QB would have helped our WR corp look like they probably should have all year rather than just for a few games.

 

[ACamp1900]

Anyone got a good cheeseburger recipe????

 

[Free Manera]

All 6-3, 216 of him sucked against the Power Five opponents he faced. I suppose he's tall and lean so he looks cute in shorts, maybe he paints his nails like Caleb Williams?

There's a reason he's at Ohio and there's a reason he sucked against Penn State and Iowa State.

Drew Pyne is better than every QB in the MAC. Regardless of jean size.

No he's not lol.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I never said he would. I also never said Drew Pyne is better than every QB in the MAC. You did.

That's correct.

Pyne is at ND and not a MAC school for a reason neither of which is due to nepotism or incompetence of the coaches who brought him there. All those guys are QB1 in the MAC because it's where they belong. If Pyne played for Ohio, the results are likely about the same. Pyne would be near the top of the conference QB leaderboards, but with that Ohio team, he'd get about the same against Penn State and Iowa State as their current guy did.

The idea that some random MAC kid would have done better than Pyne this year once Buchner went down severely overestimates the level of talent in that conference. Pyne is a lot of things, but MAC level is not one.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

No he's not lol.

Yeah, he is. Two MAC Games this weekend everyone can watch.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Anyone got a good cheeseburger recipe????

Just add mayonnaise. You’re welcome.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Anyone got a good cheeseburger recipe????

If you've got some time on your hands, maybe try perusing the Dinty Moore Beef Stew thread for some killer recipes, not sure if there's a cheeseburger or not but the search function comes in handy for situations like that!

Link: '23 MI QB Dante Moore (Oregon Verbal)

 

[ColinKSU]

Anyone got a good cheeseburger recipe????

Mix brown sugar into the meat.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Mix brown sugar into the meat.

I do this w/ Taco's. Fantastic

 

[ACamp1900]

Apologies I wasn’t trying to actually get y’all to talk food here lol,… I was trying to point out how redundant this thread was getting,… like many other examples, I apparently failed,… lol.

 

[Armyirish47]

Apologies I wasn’t trying to actually get y’all to talk food here lol,… I was trying to point out how redundant this thread was getting,… like many other examples, I apparently failed,… lol.

Favorite topping on a failburger...GO!

 

[INLaw]

Anyone got a good cheeseburger recipe????

I recommend splurge on the Bun. Quality bun is way undervalued.

 

[Giddyup]

Brown sugar on my meat. Sounds gross

 

[CanadalovesND]

Brown sugar on my meat. Sounds gross

Go to Atlanta for a weekend and see if your opinion changes.

 

[Giddyup]

Well I was talking in the literal sense. But yeah that brown sugar I’d sprinkle with my white magic.

 

[Giddyup]

Make the next Halle Berry

 

[ulukinatme]

I was just looking on 247's site. From BK's first full class in 2011 - 2020 he had just two receivers that stuck around that were ranked in the Top 15 in their position: Kevin Austin and Davaris Daniels. That's it, the other two were Brent and Johnson who both left. Austin and Daniels' impacts weren't exactly superior either, the truly successful WRs we had were all recruited lower. With the exception of EQ most other receivers weren't even ranked in the Top 30.

Starting in last year's 2021 class we've got the following receivers:
Colzie - 16th
Styles - 20th
Merriweather - 18th
Jeremiyah Love - 3rd
Braylon James - 15th
Jaden Greathouse - 17th
Cam Williams - 5th

Offense should be fun going forward, especially now that we have some real good QBs coming.

 

[NDRock]

I was just looking on 247's site. From BK's first full class in 2011 - 2020 he had just two receivers that stuck around that were ranked in the Top 15 in their position: Kevin Austin and Davaris Daniels. That's it, the other two were Brent and Johnson who both left. Austin and Daniels' impacts weren't exactly superior either, the truly successful WRs we had were all recruited lower. With the exception of EQ most other receivers weren't even ranked in the Top 30.

Starting in last year's 2021 class we've got the following receivers:
Colzie - 16th
Styles - 20th
Merriweather - 18th
Jeremiyah Love - 3rd
Braylon James - 15th
Jaden Greathouse - 17th
Cam Williams - 5th

Offense should be fun going forward, especially now that we have some real good QBs coming.

Let’s go!

 

[Irish#1]

Apologies I wasn’t trying to actually get y’all to talk food here lol,… I was trying to point out how redundant this thread was getting,… like many other examples, I apparently failed,… lol.

At least your consistent.

 

[Irish#1]

That's correct.

Pyne is at ND and not a MAC school for a reason neither of which is due to nepotism or incompetence of the coaches who brought him there. All those guys are QB1 in the MAC because it's where they belong. If Pyne played for Ohio, the results are likely about the same. Pyne would be near the top of the conference QB leaderboards, but with that Ohio team, he'd get about the same against Penn State and Iowa State as their current guy did.

The idea that some random MAC kid would have done better than Pyne this year once Buchner went down severely overestimates the level of talent in that conference. Pyne is a lot of things, but MAC level is not one.

So if Pyne played for a team with less talent, the results would be the same, but if a 3 star MAC guy played for ND his results wouldn't be better?

 

[Henges24]

Just an assistant but might be worth noting.

 

[Domina Nostra]

That's correct.

Pyne is at ND and not a MAC school for a reason neither of which is due to nepotism or incompetence of the coaches who brought him there. All those guys are QB1 in the MAC because it's where they belong. If Pyne played for Ohio, the results are likely about the same. Pyne would be near the top of the conference QB leaderboards, but with that Ohio team, he'd get about the same against Penn State and Iowa State as their current guy did.

The idea that some random MAC kid would have done better than Pyne this year once Buchner went down severely overestimates the level of talent in that conference. Pyne is a lot of things, but MAC level is not one.

I actually agree that Pyne being here is not due to incompetence: he was identified early because of his football family and showed a bunch of promise. He was sandwiched between a bunch of higher ceiling guys and they could take a chance. He is a an excellent teammate and high-character guy, and they were banking on his growing, and his genes indicated that he would. He just didn't. He's too small to be a great pocket passer. Guys that small either have to be true dual-threats or unicorn ballers (Flutie, Brees).

But I disagree that he is not a MAC level QB. I think that's almost exactly what he is. Schools get to recruit a new QB every year. Most P5 schools have 1 good QB and a bunch of kids who are roughly equivalent to MAC kids. A lot of MAC schools have a decent starter (better than an average P5 backup) because a talented kid decied he's rather get the reps then ride pine. The reps then lead to skill. There are a bunch of those kind of kids who could easily compete for a backup role like Pyne's--Pyne was clearly the backup, even for TB.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

So if Pyne played for a team with less talent, the results would be the same, but if a 3 star MAC guy played for ND his results wouldn't be better?

Ohio's QB Kuris Rourke is a 2019 recruit from Ohio that was a two star rated player and had one offer listed. Ohio.

His back, CJ Harris, is a 2020 recruit from Michigan that was a two star rated player and had offers from Ohio, CMU, Miami OH, WMU and Cornell.

I'm not going to pretend I know better than all of the Power Five schools that refused to offer these guys as recruits, but everyone can at the very least WATCH these guys play and determine whether they could step into ND and do any better than Pyne did. Even if NDLover816 on Twitter might think so.

 

[IrishLion]

Ohio's QB Kuris Rourke is a 2019 recruit from Ohio that was a two star rated player and had one offer listed. Ohio.

His back, CJ Harris, is a 2020 recruit from Michigan that was a two star rated player and had offers from Ohio, CMU, Miami OH, WMU and Cornell.

I'm not going to pretend I know better than all of the Power Five schools that refused to offer these guys as recruits, but everyone can at the very least WATCH these guys play and determine whether they could step into ND and do any better than Pyne did. Even if NDLover816 on Twitter might think so.

The rise of the transfer portal and NIL deals will test your theory soon enough.

There's always been the "good" MAC athletes that people say could play for big-time programs... now they will have that chance if they really want it. The next few years will be instructional on the big schools trying to take one/two/three-year rentals from the MAC.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

The rise of the transfer portal and NIL deals will test your theory soon enough.

There's always been the "good" MAC athletes that people say could play for big-time programs... now they will have that chance if they really want it. The next few years will be instructional on the big schools trying to take one/two/three-year rentals from the MAC.

Highly recommend Notre Dame take part. they're not going to have much of a choice if they want to keep feeding the golden goose that is football, which without, they would be St. Norberts or Loras College.

By that same token, Jack Coan played for Wisconsin, not a MAC school. Those are the sort they'll probably want to pursue.

 

[IrishLax]

The rise of the transfer portal and NIL deals will test your theory soon enough.

There's always been the "good" MAC athletes that people say could play for big-time programs... now they will have that chance if they really want it. The next few years will be instructional on the big schools trying to take one/two/three-year rentals from the MAC.

6 players from the MAC got drafted last year. In theory, if you took a MAC All-Conference team they would be competitive in P5 football. But the "depth" of quality talent in the conference isn't there... you're looking at roughly a half dozen difference makers per year if you got every single one of them to transfer. And I would bet that schools like Purdue and Michigan State will be better fits for them than ND.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I have spent way too much time looking at MAC QBs today. I am getting back to my day job now and hope all of us continue to keep said day jobs going forward.

Drew Pyne is what he is. These MAC guys are what they are. Bowling Green's QB, for example, was a two star recruit whose dad played QB at USC. He had to transfer out of BC to BGSU because he couldn't get on the field there. Would anyone care to guess who was blocking his way at Boston College? Further, a two star USC legacy from Mission Viejo goes from BC to BGSU....just wonky stuff.

Happy Holidays. Where's the Tylenol?