Tommy Rees - Offensive Coordinator

[tussin]

The dude finished the regular season ranked 20th in total QBR. Just behind Michael Penix and Bryce fricken Young, and ahead of JJ (November Heisman) McCarthy.

Borderline gas lighting. This entire board watched the Pyne experience all season with our own two eyes and saw the backbreaking mistakes, missed balls, handcuffed offense, and streaking wide-open receivers. He is a MAC-level QB... a great kid but it is what it is.

 

[Irish4life]

The dude finished the regular season ranked 20th in total QBR. Just behind Michael Penix and Bryce fricken Young, and ahead of JJ (November Heisman) McCarthy.

These hot takes need to stop. I get the physical limitations but he quite literally proved the opposite of the bolded. I'm not opining for him to be the starter QB moving forward beyond this season but he proved to be a competent option when relied upon. He will not win us a Natty, but he's a fine QB to have in the room for depth. "Not a P5 quarterback" is a joke of a take.

I'm just going to leave this here.

I mean that's just funny lol.

 

[Old Man Mike]

My unpopular take is that the success level that Drew (with all his limitations) had shows that Tommy is almost a genius (not perfect; I said almost; but generally pretty darn good.)

My other take on Tommy, is that he is too much of a wild imaginative sometimes. He seems to imagine stupendous things, almost tricks, in his week-practice vision, that his personnel are unlikely to be able to pull off with statistical success. When he just sticks with the In-Game feel, he's pretty good. ... and some of his designs ARE genius. I had a hard time this season deciding that our losses were clearly on Tommy Rees. Maybe Stanford ... a very weird game.

 

[ColinKSU]

My unpopular take is that the success level that Drew (with all his limitations) had shows that Tommy is almost a genius (not perfect; I said almost; but generally pretty darn good.)

My other take on Tommy, is that he is too much of a wild imaginative sometimes. He seems to imagine stupendous things, almost tricks, in his week-practice vision, that his personnel are unlikely to be able to pull off with statistical success. When he just sticks with the In-Game feel, he's pretty good. ... and some of his designs ARE genius. I had a hard time this season deciding that our losses were clearly on Tommy Rees. Maybe Stanford ... a very weird game.

I don't think Tommy's ever not going to be an awkward fit in the college game. He's wired like an all-ball NFL coach.

 

[SoIll]

Mike Golic. Bitch

 

[greyhammer90]

Any stat that has Drew Pyne being above or equal to Bryce Young is a bad stat. Full stop.

 

[T-Boone]

Rees should be a candidate for the Bearcats HC job.

 

[Luckylucci]

I'm now in the camp that wants Rees back under certain circumstances.

1. A QB transfer is the most important position being recruited. Give Rees the chance to recruit and land that guy.
2. A full fledge open QB competition. With Minchey and a QB transfer on board, let Rees work whatever magic he has with this group.
3. Best man wins and Rees gets a full season with that offense. He can build it to the winner. He can pick the best fit for what he wants. Etc.

Time for Rees to make it happen but I genuinely want to see what it is.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm now in the camp that wants Rees back under certain circumstances.

1. A QB transfer is the most important position being recruited. Give Rees the chance to recruit and land that guy.
2. A full fledge open QB competition. With Minchey and a QB transfer on board, let Rees work whatever magic he has with this group.
3. Best man wins and Rees gets a full season with that offense. He can build it to the winner. He can pick the best fit for what he wants. Etc.

Time for Rees to make it happen but I genuinely want to see what it is.

Offense is ready to explode in the next few years. Rees has had a hand in recruiting everyone from the Sophomores on down and there's a lot of talent coming in. We should have a full compliment of upperclassmen starting next year, I absolutely want to see what can be done with these stacked classes.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Rees should be a candidate for the Bearcats HC job.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Borderline gas lighting. This entire board watched the Pyne experience all season with our own two eyes and saw the backbreaking mistakes, missed balls, handcuffed offense, and streaking wide-open receivers. He is a MAC-level QB... a great kid but it is what it is.

Look, I get he's not what we all want and he's not the guy who is going to lead this program to a National Championship, but this is message board hyperbole. It's the time and place for it versus real issues in real life, but if this program had an MAC Level QB, they don't finish 8-4 after starting 0-2.

The QB from Ohio was probably the best MAC QB this season before he got injured. He was absolute shit against Penn State and Iowa State. Even putting him on this ND team with this talent against this schedule, how much better does it get?

 

[irishfan]

Mike Golic. Bitch

He’s as cringey as they come. Unfortunate given the lineage.

 

[Free Manera]

Look, I get he's not what we all want and he's not the guy who is going to lead this program to a National Championship, but this is message board hyperbole. It's the time and place for it versus real issues in real life, but if this program had an MAC Level QB, they don't finish 8-4 after starting 0-2.

The QB from Ohio was probably the best MAC QB this season before he got injured. He was absolute shit against Penn State and Iowa State. Even putting him on this ND team with this talent against this schedule, how much better does it get?

The Ohio QB ranked 20 spots ahead of Pyne in QBR. He is also 6’3, 216.

 

[ThePiombino]

He’s as cringey as they come. Unfortunate given the lineage.

That's what happens when you're born on 3rd base sometimes...

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[BoredIrish]

There is a direct correlation between how close ND's QB can get to the Heisman and how close ND is to a championship.

Its really that simple.

 

[Rambler09]

Any stat that has Drew Pyne being above or equal to Bryce Young is a bad stat. Full stop.

Which statistic of QB performance do you think is better? This line of argument "I don't like the conclusion"--->Reject premise is a classic fallacy. Pyne is limited and was inconsistent, but he put together a respectable body of work this season.

 

[Dale]

Which statistic of QB performance do you think is better? This line of argument "I don't like the conclusion"--->Reject premise is a classic fallacy. Pyne is limited and was inconsistent, but he put together a respectable body of work this season.

Actually no. I can’t think of anyone that references QB Rating anymore unless to go out of the way to prove a point because QBR happens to make it.

I don’t know the QBR of a single QB.

 

[Rambler09]

Actually no. I can’t think of anyone that references QB Rating anymore unless to go out of the way to prove a point because QBR happens to make it.

I don’t know the QBR of a single QB.

Ok. So what's your preferred statistic? Then let's run the numbers. If you reject the conclusion no matter what the statistics say, you're being disingenuous.

 

[BeatSC]

Pyne was a liability to the offense. He had a solid run game, solid OL, solid WR group if he passed to them and the best TE in CFB. With that around you he should have been better. Lee CFB with most passes tipped at the LOS and we didn’t even pass that often. He was a gamer and tough as nails. His decision making skills were questionable and despite his physical limitations he didn’t excel at many of the small things a QB can excel at. Stared down his targets and missed far too many open options such as his int against usc. He made some good plays but his receivers made him look better than he is last night with his underthrown balls. Next year will be interesting as usual.

 

[BeatSC]

Ok. So what's your preferred statistic? Then let's run the numbers. If you reject the conclusion no matter what the statistics say, you're being disingenuous.

The eye test. He fails that one miserably. Just weak arm.

 

[Dale]

Ok. So what's your preferred statistic? Then let's run the numbers. If you reject the conclusion no matter what the statistics say, you're being disingenuous.

First, we all took some basic logic or philosophy class, no need for the reject the conclusion, premise, fallacy stuff.

Yards? Completion %? Wanna get analytical and go Pass Success? Explosiveness? But we also all clearly watched the games.

 

[Dale]

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Stats tell a fraction of the story. You can’t judge a QB (or anything for that matter strictly on stats). What’s concerning about Pyne is his inability to consistently push the ball more than 25 yards down field with even moderate accuracy, predetermined locking in on receivers, inability to slide up in the pocket and use the middle of the field because of tipped balls, inability to throw a screen anywhere on the field, his inability to go through progressions which leads to missing wide open receivers with a regular occurrence, and his foot work is awful.

None of that would show up on a single stat line unless you specifically went through each game and found a way to evaluate each missed receivers, the effect QB arm strength has on a defense…etc

 

[Rambler09]

First, we all took some basic logic or philosophy class, no need for the reject the conclusion, premise, fallacy stuff.

Yards? Completion %? Wanna get analytical and go Pass Success? Explosiveness? But we also all clearly watched the games.

I was a philosophy major - can't help myself. My point stands.

64.6% (164/354) passing. 2,021 yds total, but that equates to 8 yard per attempt. Those are good numbers.

I can't calculate the other two given the information available to me, but I would guess they aren't bad given the above.

Just looking at the above as I type, you seem to have chosen three games - the games we all know were his worst three. He was awful in those games. No one would deny that. But that is not his body of work. What about UNC? What about USC?

My point, of course, is that some people aren't open to reason. They've made up their minds and they won't be told or convinced otherwise. Even when they're wrong. I have very mixed feelings about Drew Pyne - but many of you are unwilling to give him his due.

 

[Dale]

I was a philosophy major - can't help myself. My point stands.

64.6% (164/354) passing. 2,021 yds total, but that equates to 8 yard per attempt. Those are good numbers.

I can't calculate the other two given the information available to me, but I would guess they aren't bad given the above.

Just looking at the above as I type, you seem to have chosen three games - the games we all know were his worst three. He was awful in those games. No one would deny that. But that is not his body of work. What about UNC? What about USC?

My point, of course, is that some people aren't open to reason. They've made up their minds and they won't be told or convinced otherwise. Even when they're wrong. I have very mixed feelings about Drew Pyne - but many of you are unwilling to give him his due.

I posted just today that Pyne has games, namely BYU and USC where he throws well but his floor is literally the floor which is the problem. ND can’t have a QB where the floor is as low as Pyne’s is. The above is not being unwilling to give him his due, it’s a multi pronged graphic at the problems we can’t afford to have.

 

[NDdomer2]

Pyne is exactly what he was brought here to be. A backup.

Respectable body of work or not, he isn't good enough for us to win a national championship with, and that's all that matters.

 

[Rambler09]

I posted just today that Pyne has games, namely BYU and USC where he throws well but his floor is literally the floor which is the problem. ND can’t have a QB where the floor is as low as Pyne’s is. The above is not being unwilling to give him his due, it’s a multi pronged graphic at the problems we can’t afford to have.

So I would agree with you re: his floor and that we can't afford to have games where our QB plays that badly. Those are fair enough.

But the kid played very well given the situation he was thrust into - unexpected starter, historically awful WR corps, etc. At the beginning of the season he had one legitimate receiving option in Mayer (that changed over the last 2-3 games of the season).

 

[Rambler09]

Pyne is exactly what he was brought here to be. A backup.

Respectable body of work or not, he isn't good enough for us to win a national championship with, and that's all that matters.

Agree with this, generally. Unless he was absolutely surrounded a la Stetson Bennett and with an elite defense, no way he gets it done.

My feeling is that barring the very unlikely multiple consecutive top 5 recruiting classes with a stocked cupboard throughout, an elite QB is the only way we get there. Drew is not that guy.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Pete Sampson just always

Borderline gas lighting. This entire board watched the Pyne experience all season with our own two eyes and saw the backbreaking mistakes, missed balls, handcuffed offense, and streaking wide-open receivers. He is a MAC-level QB... a great kid but it is what it is.

My take:

1) Pyne is physically tough as nails and is resilient due to excellent character, although he obviously lets the game get to him mentally some times (in dramatic and costly ways).

2) Pyne has some real skillls, but is too slow and weak-armed to overcome his obvious size disadvantage.

3) The fact that Pyne has any excellent stats is a testimony to OLine, Mayer’s receiving, and play calling to accentuate his strengths and minimize his deficiencies.

4) Pyne did nothing to indicate that he is capable of leading a playoff-level offense, while all QBs have weaknesses that need to be protected, he does not have an offsetting strength (like Book’s running ability).

Conclusion: great teammate and competitor that is just a bit too limited physically to be an effective P5 QB that helps, rather than limits, a good offense.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

The Ohio QB ranked 20 spots ahead of Pyne in QBR. He is also 6’3, 216.

All 6-3, 216 of him sucked against the Power Five opponents he faced. I suppose he's tall and lean so he looks cute in shorts, maybe he paints his nails like Caleb Williams?

There's a reason he's at Ohio and there's a reason he sucked against Penn State and Iowa State.

Drew Pyne is better than every QB in the MAC. Regardless of jean size.