Tommy Rees - Offensive Coordinator

[irishff1014]

Because he has fucked up in his limited reps.

Is it him or his coaching or both?

To be fair to him we haven’t seen much improvement to our existing WR’s.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Is it him or his coaching or both?

To be fair to him we haven’t seen much improvement to our existing WR’s.

Exactly. Lenzy has not been great. Sometimes some of our veteran receivers dogged their routes because they were not going to get a pass their way. Yet Coach pushes back on Tobias.

 

[irishff1014]

Exactly. Lenzy has not been great. Sometimes some of our veteran receivers dogged their routes because they were not going to get a pass their way. Yet Coach pushes back on Tobias.

I don’t understand why Lenzy continues to get the most snaps from the WR’s. He blocks but that’s about it.

 

[Crazy Balki]

But the WR coach also falls with in the OC’s offensive plan. So we were either recruiting the wrong ones or Del couldn’t teach them. Which I think is a combination of the two.

Tommy didn't hire Del.

 

[irishff1014]

Tommy didn't hire Del.

No shit. But if the offensive coordinator and the wide receivers coach aren’t discussing the type of WR’s they need than that’s a failure.

 

[Irish du Nord]

IMO there was way too much staff and player turnover to expect everything to be clicking Day 1. Would have been nice to have it showing signs of life before the 2nd half of game three tho.

This is where I’m at. We could expect a lot of inconsistency to begin the year with the staff turnover we had+certain roster weaknesses. That plus the Buchner injury seem to account for most of the slow start

 

[stlnd01]

How many other teams had the same issue though?

How many other teams turned over 4/5 of their offensive coaching staff and lost their starting QB, their leading RB and their top receiver? Maybe a few...

 

[PigtownIrish]

There were a few Jayden Thomas sightings against UNC. I'd like to see more.

 

[NDdomer2]

So the new tommy narrative is Del was bad and Jordan Johnson transferred??? Dafuq

 

[ulukinatme]

That could mostly be right. They need to get Tobias to either progress or get him some serious touches or another Elite WR might transfer. What I don't get is MF talks openly about Tobias's desire and expectations to play but he is not ready as Freshman yet Seniors have been making some really dumbass mistakes (Lenzy false starts and dropped passes).

I think if you bring in Top 100 WRs they expect PT or they will leave.

What elite WR has transferred out of ND recently? I count one elite recruit

I know this was already addressed regarding Johnson, but IrishDrunk has a point to be made how we've struggled with recruiting skill positions under Kelly and utilizing/developing the talent we did manage to bring in from 2010-2021. There was the Davonte Neal situation, although there were outside forces contributing to that transfer. Davaris Daniels had about one good year and we lost him. Lenzy hasn't hit his potential still. Austin played much better last year, but still didn't achieve his potential either. McKinley was in the same boat. Claypool was one of the few that actually played above expectations, and unfortunately that's the exception rather than the rule. Then you have years like 2019 where the only WR we took was Cam Hart who now plays defense. That's just poor roster management, and that's just the WRs under Kelly. I won't get into QBs and RBs some years.

Needless to say we haven't exactly excelled and holding onto our better recruits and maximizing their contributions. TJ Jones was the only receiver ranked Top 10 under Kelly at that position and the only one highly ranked that really lived up to his billing. Justin Brent, Daniels, Neal, McKinley, Austin, Lenzy, and Johnson were all Top 20 position recruits that just didn't live up to the hype for one reason or another and either petered out or transferred. Seems like most of our successful receivers like Claypool, Fuller, Chris Brown, etc were lesser rated talents that stepped up. I'm sure that's used against us by other teams in recruiting. Bottom line is we need guys like Tobias to be successful like Styles has been. That way we can hopefully hold onto guys like Greathouse who Texas is trying hard to flip.

 

[Crazy Balki]

No shit. But if the offensive coordinator and the wide receivers coach aren’t discussing the type of WR’s they need than that’s a failure.

I don't think the problem was so much discussing the type of receivers they needed.

It was more so not landing them when you targeted them. That falls more on Del in terms of following through on the trail, and falls on Kelly. He hired him. He was the head coach and thus his job is to hold his coaches accountable for landing recruits. It's something that had constantly been an issue under Kelly, and it's something Freeman has prioritized as something they need to do.

 

[T-Boone]

its plays like that second tweet where i wonder why we didnt see more with Buchner.

Wasn’t it the first play of the season to styles. It worked well then nothing.

 

[irishff1014]

I don't think the problem was so much discussing the type of receivers they needed.

It was more so not landing them when you targeted them. That falls more on Del in terms of following through on the trail, and falls on Kelly. He hired him. He was the head coach and thus his job is to hold his coaches accountable for landing recruits. It's something that had constantly been an issue under Kelly, and it's something Freeman has prioritized as something they need to do.

Kelly and recruiting and holding his coaches accountable is a horse we could beat to death dig it up a few times and repeat lol.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Kelly and recruiting and holding his coaches accountable is a horse we could beat to death dig it up a few times and repeat lol.

Well it's horse we rode in on for well over a decade.

 

[Irish#1]

Its not a good look, regardless Dale. If Tobias leaves that isn't a good look, either. We need more elite recruits to stay not go. Then they can become elite college players.

We are hardly a destination for Top 50 much less Top 100 playmakers. We need to change that perception.

How a 6-4 Tobias Merriweather hasn't got decent action is troubling to me.

He's a freshman. Not surprising at all. If I had to venture a guess, I would say he's not playing much because he hasn't picked up the playbook well enough. Someone posted a clip where he was supposed to come in motion and was motioned to do so, but never adjusted. That tells me he still needs to work on the playbook. I also don't think you can use the Lenzy isn't lighting it up or is making mistakes as a reason to play TM. Lenzy's mistakes are primarily dropped balls, not wrong routes or failure to pick up a block. If Merriweather runs the wrong route or doesn't pick up a block, that's more likely to result in a turnover which is a bigger mistake than what Lenzy makes.

 

[Dale]

I know this was already addressed regarding Johnson, but IrishDrunk has a point to be made how we've struggled with recruiting skill positions under Kelly and utilizing/developing the talent we did manage to bring in from 2010-2021. There was the Davonte Neal situation, although there were outside forces contributing to that transfer. Davaris Daniels had about one good year and we lost him. Lenzy hasn't hit his potential still. Austin played much better last year, but still didn't achieve his potential either. McKinley was in the same boat. Claypool was one of the few that actually played above expectations, and unfortunately that's the exception rather than the rule. Then you have years like 2019 where the only WR we took was Cam Hart who now plays defense. That's just poor roster management, and that's just the WRs under Kelly. I won't get into QBs and RBs some years.

Needless to say we haven't exactly excelled and holding onto our better recruits and maximizing their contributions. TJ Jones was the only receiver ranked Top 10 under Kelly at that position and the only one highly ranked that really lived up to his billing. Justin Brent, Daniels, Neal, McKinley, Austin, Lenzy, and Johnson were all Top 20 position recruits that just didn't live up to the hype for one reason or another and either petered out or transferred. Seems like most of our successful receivers like Claypool, Fuller, Chris Brown, etc were lesser rated talents that stepped up. I'm sure that's used against us by other teams in recruiting. Bottom line is we need guys like Tobias to be successful like Styles has been. That way we can hopefully hold onto guys like Greathouse who Texas is trying hard to flip.

If Styles constitutes successful, why are we complaining about Merriweather? Styles didn’t see real PT till week 8, and after the bye.

I don’t think anyone will disagree with the premise we want guys to pan out and play well. The implication made was Merriweather is gonna transfer though.

Everything else here some components have truth sure, but they are more the worries of a ND fan, not legitimate demons we can put out on the trail. Neg recruiting will exist whether you’re good bad or in between. It’s whack a mole.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

 

[GATTACA!]

Why can’t we just play UNC every week?

 

[Dale]

 

[BilboBaggins]

This is the sort of play that does jack against a team playing aggressive defense though, and then we'd sit here wondering why Estime averages 1.2 ypc for a half lol I realize there were other options on the play but UNC made ND look like a downhill running leviathan and it remains to be seen IMO.

I've never been a fan of a counter/power in situations when a trap, wham, or ISO can develop faster. With as much 12 personnel as ND runs, those TEs lining up as a wingback can come crashing in for wham or ISO, especially with Estime in a pistol formation. *chefs kiss*

I don't want to second guess one play in one situation, but for a counter or power play *every* OL needs to execute to get the blocker across to do his job. A quicker hitting run play eliminates that level of execution, to a degree. With this IOL, simpler is better.

We will see against BYU. They aren't going to be the lost milquetoast of a defense that UNC was.

 

[317Irish]

This is the sort of play that does jack against a team playing aggressive defense though, and then we'd sit here wondering why Estime averages 1.2 ypc for a half lol I realize there were other options on the play but UNC made ND look like a downhill running leviathan and it remains to be seen IMO.

I've never been a fan of a counter/power in situations when a trap, wham, or ISO can develop faster. With as much 12 personnel as ND runs, those TEs lining up as a wingback can come crashing in for wham or ISO, especially with Estime in a pistol formation. *chefs kiss*

I don't want to second guess one play in one situation, but for a counter or power play *every* OL needs to execute to get the blocker across to do his job. A quicker hitting run play eliminates that level of execution, to a degree. With this IOL, simpler is better.

We will see against BYU. They aren't going to be the lost milquetoast of a defense that UNC was.

Don’t mean to argue with u here, but the counter is designed to be used against aggressive defenses that are shooting gaps and trying to move towards where the play is heading. The counter takes advantage of that by essentially faking in one direction and going in the other.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

 

[Whiskeyjack]

We will see against BYU. They aren't going to be the lost milquetoast of a defense that UNC was.

BYU's OFEI is 4th (!) nationally right now, but their DFEI is 83rd, which is not much better than UNC's.

The biggest difference is likely going to be BYU's OL. ALY stats don't get released until after week 4, but based on their rankings from last year and their returning production, this is a very solid OL which we won't be able to bully like the Tar Heels. We could easily score as much or more in Vegas, but our defense is going to have to be better to keep the Cougars offense in check.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

ND is 97th on this list at 2.14.

 

[arrowryan]

I’m fine with Rees the play caller.

I need to see significant improvements in Rees the recruiter and QB developer. That’s the reason I could see Freeman moving on from this this winter.

 

[Dale]

ND is 97th on this list at 2.14.

Indiana, Northwestern, Nebraska going the if we can’t be good we’ll at least have entertaining games route.

Ok St completely abandoned their 2021 offense for the bowl game and has just kept it now.

 

[sixstar]

ND is 97th on this list at 2.14.

Good. ND isn't good enough to rush plays.

 

[Irish#1]

This is the sort of play that does jack against a team playing aggressive defense though, and then we'd sit here wondering why Estime averages 1.2 ypc for a half lol I realize there were other options on the play but UNC made ND look like a downhill running leviathan and it remains to be seen IMO.

I've never been a fan of a counter/power in situations when a trap, wham, or ISO can develop faster. With as much 12 personnel as ND runs, those TEs lining up as a wingback can come crashing in for wham or ISO, especially with Estime in a pistol formation. *chefs kiss*

I don't want to second guess one play in one situation, but for a counter or power play *every* OL needs to execute to get the blocker across to do his job. A quicker hitting run play eliminates that level of execution, to a degree. With this IOL, simpler is better.

We will see against BYU. They aren't going to be the lost milquetoast of a defense that UNC was.

Ara made a pretty good living running misdirection.

 

[Irish#1]

If Styles constitutes successful, why are we complaining about Merriweather? Styles didn’t see real PT till week 8, and after the bye.

I don’t think anyone will disagree with the premise we want guys to pan out and play well. The implication made was Merriweather is gonna transfer though.

Everything else here some components have truth sure, but they are more the worries of a ND fan, not legitimate demons we can put out on the trail. Neg recruiting will exist whether you’re good bad or in between. It’s whack a mole.

I don't where it started, but the "we have to play freshmen or they'll transfer" scenario doesn't cut the mustard.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

We will see against BYU. They aren't going to be the lost milquetoast of a defense that UNC was.

BYU will be somewhere in between what we saw defensively against Cal and UNC. Wyoming has the 114th ranked total offense in the nation and put up 24 in Provo last weekend. BYU is hardly stout defensively.