Tommy Rees - Offensive Coordinator

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Jiggafini19Deux said:
How many more chances is Josh McDaniels going to get? He's another Belichick underling that has not accomplished much when he wasn't hitched to Tom Brady's wagon.

Byron Leftwich still hasn't been given another opportunity. I'm sure there are others out there in the same situation.

Honestly, what am I missing?
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Mac Jones was pretty good his first year with McDaniels and fell off a cliff once he left for the Raiders. Plus, he offers familiarity and an offensive system Vrabel trusts, so it logically makes sense.

Guys can be good coordinators and awful head coaches, and I think JM is just one of those guys.
 
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Katzenboyer said:
Mac Jones was pretty good his first year with McDaniels and fell off a cliff once he left for the Raiders. Plus, he offers familiarity and an offensive system Vrabel trusts, so it logically makes sense.

Guys can be good coordinators and awful head coaches, and I think JM is just one of those guys.
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The list of coordinators that didn’t pan out as head coaches is long. What’s interesting is that none of Bill B’s were successful that I recall.
 
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One thing I am sure of is that if he doesn't get the job, people in this thread will treat his name being in these articles as damn near functionally equivalent to having been hired for the purposes of defending his resume.
 
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Katzenboyer said:
Mac Jones was pretty good his first year with McDaniels and fell off a cliff once he left for the Raiders. Plus, he offers familiarity and an offensive system Vrabel trusts, so it logically makes sense.

Guys can be good coordinators and awful head coaches, and I think JM is just one of those guys.
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Is he a good coordinator though is what I'm asking. He's somewhat toxic right? Even regardless of the two HC failures, what's he really going to bring to the NFL in 2025?

IDK. Feels like Vrabel needs to shed off some of the Old Patriot Way and maybe go with the New Patriot Way. I guess at the end of the day, networks function within who you know, though.
 
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Irish#1 said:
The list of coordinators that didn’t pan out as head coaches is long. What’s interesting is that none of Bill B’s were successful that I recall.
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I think there's a bit of revisionist history going on when it comes to BOB. Dude took Houston and made them extremely relevant if not contenders for a few years of his tenure in Houston. 4 Divisional titles and only 1 losing season before he was fired during the 2020 season. Dude was pretty dang bad as a GM at the end though, no doubt about it.
 
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IrishLion said:
It’s not just that Tommy did it with Pyne… it’s that he did it without very few viable receiving threats outside of Michael Mayer.

Everyone in the college football world knew where ND was going in “gotta have it” situations, and yet Tommy figured out how to scheme Mayer open anyway, and figured out how to help Pyne do it with as little defensive resistance as possible through proper scripting, smart use of motion, and elite playcalling setup.

If you can step back and see the full context of ND’s offense in 2022, and still come away unimpressed with Tommy, that’s wild to me.
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As always, con tutto respetto Don Lion: nah.

Tommy as OC at Notre Dame never had a top 20 offense (going off SP+) and 2022 was the nadir; that side of the ball was ass that season and to the extent the stats got fat they did so off some of the worst defenses that have ever soiled a gridiron: 40 point games against Boston College (102), UNC (105), UNLV (100), Syracuse (58), South Carolina (several defensive starters sitting out, 56)

There were certainly extenuating circumstances as mentioned above but he doesn't get credit imo for a good season as OC when the O was ranked around 50th in the country.

(edit: I was in fact wrong here, his offenses were 19th and 20th in 2020 and 2021. Anyway I think he was about replacement value while he was here, sticking to that)
 
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dankgesang said:
As always, con tutto respetto Don Lion: nah.

Tommy as OC at Notre Dame never had a top 20 offense (going off SP+) and 2022 was the nadir; that side of the ball was ass that season and to the extent the stats got fat they did so off some of the worst defenses that have ever soiled a gridiron: 40 point games against Boston College (102), UNC (105), UNLV (100), Syracuse (58), South Carolina (several defensive starters sitting out, 56)

There were certainly extenuating circumstances as mentioned above but he doesn't get credit imo for a good season as OC when the O was ranked around 50th in the country.
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I think Tommy was a good, solid offensive coordinator. He's obviously bright and hard working and is highly thought of by guys he has worked for. He seems overrated by some on here and underrated by others.
 
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It's a tough gig to takeover an organization that has misused draft capital so badly.

It doesn't seem like they have many pieces but Tommy is good at making things work with suboptimal conditions.

Does his hiring as OC in the NFL finally validate him in anyone's eyes? I'm guessing half of the doubters will dismiss it as idiocy by a front office and others will say something about failing upwards. Enough people in the industry say Tom is highly regarded by many offensive minds/head coaches.

For the doubters, what do you need to see to believe in Rees?
 
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I’ll root for him to be successful, but the Browns are in some serious trouble. They can’t get out of the Watson contact, and since he’s hurt, they can’t even use him. I’m not sure what choice they have other than to draft a QB in a terrible QB draft. He had to apply for the job, I get it, but I can’t imagine a scenario where they are successful in any way.
 
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Veritate Duce Progredi said:
It's a tough gig to takeover an organization that has misused draft capital so badly.

It doesn't seem like they have many pieces but Tommy is good at making things work with suboptimal conditions.

Does his hiring as OC in the NFL finally validate him in anyone's eyes? I'm guessing half of the doubters will dismiss it as idiocy by a front office and others will say something about failing upwards. Enough people in the industry say Tom is highly regarded by many offensive minds/head coaches.

For the doubters, what do you need to see to believe in Rees?
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Probably a SB ring with a backup QB and an offense that averages 50PPG with a couple of no name WR's.
 
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Veritate Duce Progredi said:
It's a tough gig to takeover an organization that has misused draft capital so badly.

It doesn't seem like they have many pieces but Tommy is good at making things work with suboptimal conditions.

Does his hiring as OC in the NFL finally validate him in anyone's eyes? I'm guessing half of the doubters will dismiss it as idiocy by a front office and others will say something about failing upwards. Enough people in the industry say Tom is highly regarded by many offensive minds/head coaches.

For the doubters, what do you need to see to believe in Rees?
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I'd have to be grouped with the historical doubters for sure. This hire confirms that I need to shut the hell up at least about the idea that he isn't really that well regarded by his peers. I guess what irked me (about ten posts up, e.g.) as someone who wasn't blown away by his offenses here or elsewhere was the feeling that his defenders were giving him credit for hires he didn't even get as a way of forestalling criticism of the results on the field. Bama hiring him always put that argument at a reach, anyway it's dead now.

And if I still don't feel like I can look at the stats and see a special offensive mind, the fact that Nick damn Saban and now an NFL franchise are betting the other way means I will be sticking a fork in that discussion, and would indeed be more surprised if he turned out to be merely mid, let alone a bust as an offensive mind, than if he kills it.

In conclusion: touchdown tommy 4 lyfe go get it kid acab
 
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Dale said:
Anytime you can promote someone who’s main (only?) strength is call plays but not let him call plays you have to do it
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I think he calls plays well because he understands schemes well, so I'm sure they think he'll also be good at structuring the offense and preparing game plans.
 
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