Tommy Rees - Offensive Coordinator

[Panda]

OK, since it's looking good on the Kenny Minchey front, I'm thinking TR may stay . Let's go get a solid experienced good/great transfer QB and get ready to roll in '23.
I'm back on the TR bandwagon boys!

Good Luck w That!

 

[Giddyup]

Tommy Rees might be the best OC has had since Knute Rockne. Kid knows his stuff and works to his teams strengths with a mediocre qb.

 

[dankgesang]

Tommy Rees might be the best OC has had since Knute Rockne. Kid knows his stuff and works to his teams strengths with a mediocre qb.

Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion have nothing on this post.

 

[NDMatt91]

OK, since it's looking good on the Kenny Minchey front, I'm thinking TR may stay . Let's go get a solid experienced good/great transfer QB and get ready to roll in '23.
I'm back on the TR bandwagon boys!

 

[irishff1014]

Before everyone gets over there excited we need to know some more details. Is Kenny committed due to Rees going after him or Freeman? And unfortunately we still haven’t seen that he can develop an Qb.

His play calling has been marvelous at time and head scratching at times. I think we could live with this part but still not sold on the top.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Before everyone gets over there excited we need to know some more details. Is Kenny committed due to Rees going after him or Freeman? And unfortunately we still haven’t seen that he can develop an Qb.

His play calling has been marvelous at time and head scratching at times. I think we could live with this part but still not sold on the top.

Ian Book would like a word.

 

[Dale]

Before everyone gets over there excited we need to know some more details. Is Kenny committed due to Rees going after him or Freeman? And unfortunately we still haven’t seen that he can develop an Qb.

His play calling has been marvelous at time and head scratching at times. I think we could live with this part but still not sold on the top.

If we’re gonna put all the blame on Rees for Moore, Vizzina, Arnold etc then it’s disingenuous to not credit him for Minchey.

Every prospect we land is a group effort mainly led by position coach + Freeman + Bowden. Every prospect we miss too. I’d imagine the staff sees it the same way

 

[Giddyup]

I just hope we can keep Tommy from the Nfl to be honest

 

[irishff1014]

If we’re gonna put all the blame on Rees for Moore, Vizzina, Arnold etc then it’s disingenuous to not credit him for Minchey.

Every prospect we land is a group effort mainly led by position coach + Freeman + Bowden. Every prospect we miss too. I’d imagine the staff sees it the same way

I 100% don’t blame Rees for recruiting Moore. I don’t think it’s his fault that he did t land him and they got money hungry.

It is his fault for not keeping other QB’s engaged and continuing to recruit them as hard as he should have.

 

[greyhammer90]

I 100% don’t blame Rees for recruiting Moore. I don’t think it’s his fault that he did t land him and they got money hungry.

It is his fault for not keeping other QB’s engaged and continuing to recruit them as hard as he should have.

That's not responsive. It's just you countering with another seperate complaint you have about Rees.

 

[Dale]

I 100% don’t blame Rees for recruiting Moore. I don’t think it’s his fault that he did t land him and they got money hungry.

It is his fault for not keeping other QB’s engaged and continuing to recruit them as hard as he should have.

Why wasn’t that his and Freeman’s fault is my point. Or Bowden our Director of Recruiting?

Sole blame but shared or no credit.

 

[NDRock]

Not to make this about Tommy (even though it's in his thread) but it's hard to argue the offense hasn't been disappointing this year. Just looking statistically it's been a pretty poor year.

Points per game - 59th
Yards per play - 77th
Total yards - 77th
Passing yards - 109th
Yards per rush - 63rd
Rushing per game - 43rd.

Ohio State, Stanford, Cal, and BYU all held us below their average points allowed.

There has also been some very good offensive games this year. It's just been so hit/miss. Clemson was amazing, 2nd half of Navy was the worst I've seen since 2007. Not sure what to make of it. Hopefully we win the next 3 and can argue about it while sitting 10-3.

 

[irishff1014]

Ian Book would like a word.

Book was good but wasn’t great. But I will say he was very productive.

Jurkovec 18 never developed
Clark 19 never developed
Pyne 20 still not developed
Buchner 21 to early to tell but he struggles throwing the ball.
Angeli 22 we don’t know. He either is really struggling to make a push considering how bad Pyne has played or they don’t want him too. Yes I understand stand he is a freshman. Is a freshman is better than Pyne they should be playing.

17 I don’t think is fair to judge him on since they recruiting was already started when he came on board.

 

[irishff1014]

Why wasn’t that his and Freeman’s fault is my point. Or Bowden our Director of Recruiting?

Sole blame but shared or no credit.

It’s his position to recruit HE needed to make sure this team was set up. If it comes out that is it was a combination I will throw shade at Freeman and Bowden as well.

But it isn’t just this year. It’s been like that since he has been here.

 

[Dale]

It’s his position to recruit HE needed to make sure this team was set up. If it comes out that is it was a combination I will throw shade at Freeman and Bowden as well.

But it isn’t just this year. It’s been like that since he has been here.

Lol.

 

[Domina Nostra]

- before Rees we had Zaire and Wimbush, neither of whom developed as passers, primarily because they were dual threat guys
- then came Book who won 1,000 games, and was also a one look and run QB
- PJ was competing against Ian Book, and there is 0.0% chance was going to bench Book to develop PJ
- No one on Earth thought Pyne or Clark was going to have to play meaningful minutes. They were placeholders.
- while Coach Kelly was here, we neither had the reputation for being a high-powered offense or a pass-heavy offense. First rule was no turnovers.
- coach Kelly had no reputation for developing QBs, making it difficult for Rees to recruit
- it was a major theme of this board that Kelly did not help with recruiting. What position would that hurt more than QB.

 

[Giddyup]

He just recruited a 4/5 star qb

 

[tecateparty]

I thought he did a nice job with Jack Coan also.

I could be wrong but I don't remember people calling for Rees' head like this last season. Pyne is just really not good.

Rees is certainly warranted to receive most of his criticism but Coan was miles ahead of Pyne which I know made a huge difference.

 

[ulukinatme]

Before everyone gets over there excited we need to know some more details. Is Kenny committed due to Rees going after him or Freeman? And unfortunately we still haven’t seen that he can develop an Qb.

His play calling has been marvelous at time and head scratching at times. I think we could live with this part but still not sold on the top.

Why does it have to be one or the other? It was likely both.



From Jack Coan's uncle:

 

[IrishBoognish]

I thought he did a nice job with Jack Coan also.

This.

Its 100 percent Tommy's fault we're stuck with Pyne right now... but God Damnit... I think I'm coming around.

Kenny was a big time pull and ALL the guys absolutely love Tommy He gets out of sorts on play calls sometimes, likely because he's young and it's fucking incredibly difficult to balance an offense with a 5' 2" QB who never had the makings of a varsity athlete. (Again all Tommy's fault)

But he's a good coach and can really string together some holy shit gameplans. See both our Clemson wins.

He's young enough to be my kid and I'm not even 50


Fuck... I don't know. Let's roll with Tommy and a quality transfer QB. We have a hell of a lot of speed/talent on the way with a VETERAN OL and a crazy talented room of RBs?


I don't know. But I say we roll with him.


(Tune in for next week when I start another "Fire Tommy Rees" thread)

 

[greyhammer90]

Regardless of what side of the fence you fall on, complaining about Tommy seems like a pretty big waste of time. It seems obvious (to me) that he has enough respect with those who matter (Swarbrick, Freeman, recent alumni, the current players) that he's not getting fired unless things are getting really dire. He's probably going to leave when he wants to. Might be this offseason, might not.

 

[IrishBoognish]

Regardless of what side of the fence you fall on, complaining about Tommy seems like a pretty big waste of time. It's seems obvious (to me) that he has enough respect with those who matter (Swarbrick, Freeman, recent alumni, the current players) that he's not getting fired unless things are getting really dire. He's probably going to leave when he wants to. Might be this offseason, might not.

I shoulda just said that.

 

[ulukinatme]

This.

Its 100 percent Tommy's fault we're stuck with Pyne right now... but God Damnit... I think I'm coming around.

Kenny was a big time pull and ALL the guys absolutely love Tommy He gets out of sorts on play calls sometimes, likely because he's young and it's fucking incredibly difficult to balance an offense with a 5' 2" QB who never had the makings of a varsity athlete. (Again all Tommy's fault)

But he's a good coach and can really string together some holy shit gameplans. See both our Clemson wins.

He's young enough to be my kid and I'm not even 50


Fuck... I don't know. Let's roll with Tommy and a quality transfer QB. We have a hell of a lot of speed/talent on the way with a VETERAN OL and a crazy talented room of RBs?


I don't know. But I say we roll with him.


(Tune in for next week when I start another "Fire Tommy Rees" thread)

These Sophomores are from his first recruiting class. I really want to see what he can do with a veteran line in their second year coached by Harry. I want to see Estime, Diggs, Colzie, Styles, and Buchner as upperclassmen, and maybe see him with one of these new QBs. He's helped build these recruiting classes, it's fair that he get to reap the fruits of that labor and not someone else coming into an experienced offense with talent. If he leaves on his own that's on him then.

 

[Dale]

He's probably going to leave when he wants to. Might be this offseason, might not.

IMO if Rees gets a Miami OC like offer again, if he truly feels he’s part of the problem here and not part of the solution at ND he’ll take it this time. I’m sure no one dislikes seeing ND not perform at the highest level more than him.

 

[greyhammer90]

I shoulda just said that.

And to be clear, I hope its not this year. I'd like to see him with a fully operational battlestation in 23. I'm willing to chalk this year up to being in a weird spot with the offseason drama, the terrible WR room, the injury to Buchner, and Pyne being bi-polar. If next year is more of the same, I'll be happy to move on. I get the feeling that it won't be though. But I admittedly really like Tommy, so maybe I'm just blind.

 

[FOTY977]

IMO if Rees gets a Miami OC like offer again, if he truly feels he’s part of the problem here and not part of the solution at ND he’ll take it this time. I’m sure no one dislikes seeing ND not perform at the highest level more than him.

He really really really does love ND. I doubt he goes for another college job before the NFL though.

 

[ulukinatme]

IMO if Rees gets a Miami OC like offer again, if he truly feels he’s part of the problem here and not part of the solution at ND he’ll take it this time. I’m sure no one likes seeing ND not perform at the highest level than him.

I wouldn't blame him if he did take another job, tbh. He's been getting death threats from fans since he was a freshman, and he managed to stick around and still come back to help coach. They've not always been kind or completely fair. Criticism is deserved for some failings, but he's been a scapegoat for a lot of other issues. At some point you figure a change of scenery might be better for a guy's happiness and well-being.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Haven’t posted in awhile. Hope everyone is doing well!

I’ve bashed Rees a lot this season. He’s shown flashes of being spectacular as a play caller and also has left you wondering what he’s doing. The 16 second half yards against navy is inexcusable. And I know he called plays to get players open but his QB wasn’t seeing the…instead of doubling down and continuing to call the same offense, he should’ve adjusted because his QB is obviously missing something. Screens? Wheel routes? Slants? On top of that…Stanford and Marshal? Also no excuse. BUT he has shown flashes of greatness…namely Clemson, BYU, Syracuse, and UNC. He needs to mature as a play caller and be able to adjust. That will probably come with experience.

The QB development is on him somewhat. BK is largely to blame because he was the offensive guru and head coach. Pyne is what he is. Buchner unfortunately has had to deal with the worst set of circumstances imaginable from 2019 until now. He’s almost destined not to play football. I may be in the minority but I think it’s time to move on from him. The kid hasn’t played a full season of football as #1 since 2019. Covid and the QB coach from hell (private coach) and this injury ruined him…I’ve never heard of a QB bouncing back from that. Way too much missed development. ND will be in great shape offensively next season, this was the season to break in a new QB. We need an experienced grad transfer then get onto the Minchey/Carr era’s.

As for Rees, I think you only get rid of him if there’s a clearly better option available with a record of success. Taking the protege of a big name is a bad idea, we’ll be in the same place. Sucks because BK put him in a position he shouldn’t have been in…first job as the OC for ND. The learning curve was always going to be steep.

 

[Irish4life]

His biggest problem is the QB room if he fixes that we're going to be in good shape.

 

[FOTY977]

Haven’t posted in awhile. Hope everyone is doing well!

I’ve bashed Rees a lot this season. He’s shown flashes of being spectacular as a play caller and also has left you wondering what he’s doing. The 16 second half yards against navy is inexcusable. And I know he called plays to get players open but his QB wasn’t seeing the…instead of doubling down and continuing to call the same offense, he should’ve adjusted because his QB is obviously missing something. Screens? Wheel routes? Slants? On top of that…Stanford and Marshal? Also no excuse. BUT he has shown flashes of greatness…namely Clemson, BYU, Syracuse, and UNC. He needs to mature as a play caller and be able to adjust. That will probably come with experience.

His Play calling, when it’s “on” is one of my favorite parts of Tommy’s game, which kills me because ND (and any program that wants to compete at a high level) needs more than “flashes”—that’s for stepping stones.

The QB development is on him somewhat. BK is largely to blame because he was the offensive guru and head coach. Pyne is what he is. Buchner unfortunately has had to deal with the worst set of circumstances imaginable from 2019 until now. He’s almost destined not to play football. I may be in the minority but I think it’s time to move on from him. The kid hasn’t played a full season of football as #1 since 2019. Covid and the QB coach from hell (private coach) and this injury ruined him…I’ve never heard of a QB bouncing back from that. Way too much missed development. ND will be in great shape offensively next season, this was the season to break in a new QB. We need an experienced grad transfer then get onto the Minchey/Carr era’s.

Agreed Rees doesn’t bear ALL of the blame for development, but he’s got the QB coach title so he’s got to bear the preponderance or what are we doing here with titles to begin with, and how does accountability work in this program if not for the group you’re responsible for in title?

Not quite as ready to write off Buchner as you are, but there’s a lot of valid criticism there.

As for Rees, I think you only get rid of him if there’s a clearly better option available with a record of success. Taking the protege of a big name is a bad idea, we’ll be in the same place. Sucks because BK put him in a position he shouldn’t have been in…first job as the OC for ND. The learning curve was always going to be steep.

Definitely agree you don’t trade him in for another boy genius to play in the sandbox. Has to be a “win now” mentality.