Thoughts on upcoming Season

[dkuhn12]

UConn plays football? When did that start?

When they beat us in 2009 with a Notre Dame QB transfer

 

[notredomer23]

They're all at risk ya dumb ass. You kids make me giggle. You all think you're incapable of being affected by anything. My own son included. Bunch of dumb asses. Take this seriously. You have no idea what the long term affects will be....myself either, but why play with it? Take the precautions. Quit following that orange jackass sending crap through the media.

You’re statistically wrong. I don’t like Trump at all but thanks for projecting your own insecurities

 

[fightingirish26]

When they beat us in 2009 with a Notre Dame QB transfer

Mechanicsburg, PA....you a Frazer??

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

EDIT: Never mind

 

[RDU Irish]

I hear ya, but when I start to think that, you read something like the article below. Or, you read about the imprint the virus leaves on the heart. The cardiovascular damage is obviously something still being studied, but is scary none the less. While death of young people is rare, I am not personally convinced that it is as risk free (or risk reduced) as others seem to convey. It's just seems like they are gambling with the health of young people just to get a payday.

https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...s-mother-posts-covid-19-diagnosis/5577215002/

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/aug/19/college-football-deaths-offseason-workouts

Will more than 2 die per year? I doubt it. Will more be permanently disabled? Worse than CTE? NFWIH

Risk is a fact of life - at least any life worth living. Give people the option and get on with it all. Those that opt out will open opportunity for those who play. So bass ackwards to remove opportunity from others b/c some are afraid.

These kids are already putting their body at risk WAY more dramatically than the virus impact.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Yes and no. Risk isn't limited to just health though. There is some serious liability concerns for schools. For example, would the schools be held financially culpable if a coach or player was unfortunate enough to have an unexpected long term side effect of COVID? What happens in the off chance something happens similar to the Marlins where one school outbreak forces one or two others to miss some games? Are they held financially responsible? Not to mention if something like what is alleged at Colorado State actually happens. There are endless types of risk.

The Pac12 has already secured a credit line for the league where schools could get a substantial cash infusion and pay it back over the next 10 years. So they are alternatives to help schools survive if they don't get to play this season.

Honestly though, I hope this makes everyone rethink the money in this sport. It's one part where the Pac12 players demand make perfect sense to me.



This bed was made by being fiscally irresponsible over the last two decades. I just hope that no matter what happens, they learn their lesson here and think about what will happen when they need to start actually paying the players.

https://theundefeated.com/features/pac-12-followed-the-money-and-found-a-movement/

Tens of thousands die in car accidents every year in the US. We don't eliminate cars. We try to manage risk.

The PAC 12 players' "demands" were all within reason until they asked for 50%. That's an absolute joke.

 

[ND87]

FWIW, Big Sky Conference just announced they're postponing season until Spring

 

[Ndaccountant]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/aug/19/college-football-deaths-offseason-workouts

Will more than 2 die per year? I doubt it. Will more be permanently disabled? Worse than CTE? NFWIH

Risk is a fact of life - at least any life worth living. Give people the option and get on with it all. Those that opt out will open opportunity for those who play. So bass ackwards to remove opportunity from others b/c some are afraid.

These kids are already putting their body at risk WAY more dramatically than the virus impact.

Pay them and I'm fine with the risk. Don't pay them and make them play, well, that's a problem for me.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Tens of thousands die in car accidents every year in the US. We don't eliminate cars. We try to manage risk.

The PAC 12 players' "demands" were all within reason until they asked for 50%. That's an absolute joke.

Yes, and if you are at fault, you are held liable. That's exactly my point. The difference is, there are known and calculated odds surrounding driving. There is established legal grounds. Covid? Not so much. The legal ambiguity is a serious concern.

 

[Wingman Ray]

For the players:

Sit out the season and pay your own way through school for the year

Play the season and the university picks up the dime.

Players arent any better than any of us going to work every day to support our families. They take no more and probably much less risk than we do.

No one should be paid to not work. Thats the whole problem America is facing today. Entitled people who get a check to do nothing.

 

[IrishLax]

The Premier Lacrosse League is on the verge of completing their season. Played it in a "bubble" with NBC broadcasts and it was a resounding success. The "bubble" has proven to work.

There is no reason the season can't go on as planned unless some universities/students continue to fuck up. This includes socializing and the kind of stuff we saw at Louisville that got 3 players booted.

Fans should be allowed, IMO, up to a certain capacity. They should be kept away from players and team personnel. Travel should only involve chartered planes/buses.

You can manage risk to players/staff down to near ~0 with proper steps. Many sports leagues have proven this at this point. Just need people to stop fucking around and the games can get played this fall... but if that doesn't happen, I think the only real option is to move everything 100% to the spring.

 

[fightingirish26]

For the players:

Sit out the season and pay your own way through school for the year

Play the season and the university picks up the dime.

No one should be paid to not work. Thats the whole problem America is facing today. Entitled people who get a check to do nothing.

 

[Ndaccountant]

The Premier Lacrosse League is on the verge of completing their season. Played it in a "bubble" with NBC broadcasts and it was a resounding success. The "bubble" has proven to work.

There is no reason the season can't go on as planned unless some universities/students continue to fuck up. This includes socializing and the kind of stuff we saw at Louisville that got 3 players booted.

Fans should be allowed, IMO, up to a certain capacity. They should be kept away from players and team personnel. Travel should only involve chartered planes/buses.

You can manage risk to players/staff down to near ~0 with proper steps. Many sports leagues have proven this at this point. Just need people to stop fucking around and the games can get played this fall... but if that doesn't happen, I think the only real option is to move everything 100% to the spring.

But one is professional, the other isn't. I thinks that the problem with the bubble. If the school existed for the primary purpose of football, the bubble concept is sufficient. But football isn't why these schools exist.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

Tens of thousands die in car accidents every year in the US. We don't eliminate cars. We try to manage risk.
The PAC 12 players' "demands" were all within reason until they asked for 50%. That's an absolute joke.

See, that is what really bothers me. I think that the NCAA and Conferences are actually avoiding the hard issue of "managing" the C-19 risk.

One example is uniform testing protocols, minimum per Conference, specifically:
- pregame same day testing (with time for a re-test)
- neutral third-party testing
- transparent results (ie - confidential regarding id, but third party disqualifies the positive player)

This is among what the Big Ten players are requesting in their demands (without the PAC 12 money-sharing nuttiness).

No good protecting and testing ND players all week if our protocol is more rigorous than our opponents. Not only does that increase the risk of contamination on gameday, it also leads to "game-playing" with possibly infected players.

For example, if ND regularly tests and Books tests positive on Thursday before Clemson, per ND protocol, he is out for the game. If Clemson does not have the same protocol, a gameday positive player may be able to play (and excuse me for saying it, but Daboo is fully capable of doing that).

 

[IrishLax]

But one is professional, the other isn't. I thinks that the problem with the bubble. If the school existed for the primary purpose of football, the bubble concept is sufficient. But football isn't why these schools exist.

On one hand, college sports is already professional. It's professional for everyone but the players who don't have contracts*.

So you have players opt in or opt out. If they opt in, it's reasonable to ask them to be in a "bubble" for the season. If they opt out, that's fine, they act as a general student and are kept away from the rest of the team.

The number one way this goes sideways is having players socializing (bars, parties, etc.) and causing outbreaks. So I think you either need to find a way to "bubble" or you need to postpone the season. I think half measures are ultimately doomed to fail.

*They implicitly do, they have scholarship agreements. But that's a whole 'nother topic.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

But one is professional, the other isn't. I thinks that the problem with the bubble. If the school existed for the primary purpose of football, the bubble concept is sufficient. But football isn't why these schools exist.

10x that for ND. On-campus community experience is the primary purpose. (And it is wonderful). A "bubble" has no more chance than a football dorm.



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[IrishLax]

Let me add that for high school sports, which are truly amateur, in most places across the country they're pushing fall sports out to a shortened "spring" season. They're doing this because they expect a vaccine to be available and risk to be mitigated by Q1 of next year.

As it stands, there is no way to play contact sports without unacceptable risk of spreading infection... unless you have the resources for widespread, rapid, and repeated testing of all participants AND the ability to limit interactions between the participants and the un-controlled population at large. That is a total impossibility in amateur sports... but very plausible in professional sports. It sort of begs the questions of which you consider NCAA football to be.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

No one should be paid to not work. Thats the whole problem America is facing today.

Entitled people who get a check to do nothing.

Does that include executive "parachute" payments, book royalties and movie residuals?
Cuz, ouch, that would mess up the scenario.




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[Wingman Ray]

Does that include executive "parachute" payments, book royalties and movie residuals?
Cuz, ouch, that would mess up the scenario.
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Maybe if more were done away with, then the SCal liberal movie star would be more hesitant to voice his/her opinion on every single thing

 

[Whiskeyjack]

10x that for ND. On-campus community experience is the primary purpose. (And it is wonderful). A "bubble" has no more chance than a football dorm.

We insist on integrating athletes into the general student population due to our philosophy of education. That's a good thing which won't be changing any time soon. But most of ND's stakeholders would rather compromise on that ideal for a limited time rather than cancel an entire season.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

Maybe if more were done away with, then the SCal liberal movie star would be more hesitant to voice his/her opinion on every single thing

Hmm... a lot of conservatives get book royalties,TV residuals, ad revenue despite doing nothing after their book is published or podcast/show is done.

Should we make them more hesitant to voice their opinions, too?

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[fightingirish26]

Lol my literal job is to pay out royalties, including book royalties. Can't wait to tell my clients to stop expecting checks.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Hmm... a lot of conservatives get book royalties,TV residuals, ad revenue despite doing nothing after their book is published or podcast/show is done.

Should we make them more hesitant to voice their opinions, too?

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How about if the dont post their opinions unless they are in some exceptional case, an authority on the subject based on education and career experience?

 

[JurDocDuLac]

How about if the dont post their opinions unless they are in some exceptional case, an authority on the subject based on education and career experience?

Well...IDK, maybe ask the Supreme Court about First Amendment rights?

Of course, even they might apply that restriction to Circa.

 

[NDRock]

Let me add that for high school sports, which are truly amateur, in most places across the country they're pushing fall sports out to a shortened "spring" season. They're doing this because they expect a vaccine to be available and risk to be mitigated by Q1 of next year.

As it stands, there is no way to play contact sports without unacceptable risk of spreading infection... unless you have the resources for widespread, rapid, and repeated testing of all participants AND the ability to limit interactions between the participants and the un-controlled population at large. That is a total impossibility in amateur sports... but very plausible in professional sports. It sort of begs the questions of which you consider NCAA football to be.

Really? We're full steam ahead in Tennessee. First day of school today. My son is in middle school and playing football and daughter is a senior and playing soccer. Not sure how long it's going to last though.

 

[NDRock]

How about if the dont post their opinions unless they are in some exceptional case, an authority on the subject based on education and career experience?

I like it. Won't have to listen to politicians anymore since most of them aren't experts in much of anything.

 

[Ndaccountant]

We insist on integrating athletes into the general student population due to our philosophy of education. That's a good thing which won't be changing any time soon. But most of ND's stakeholders would rather compromise on that ideal for a limited time rather than cancel an entire season.

And what message does that send?

Look, I am not trying to be obtuse. I just think the overall hypocrisy that exists within the athletic departments across the country is too significantto ignore. I get the value of what sports brings. There is no debating that. But the moment they do everything within their power to secure whatever amount of money exists, its time to pay the players their true value. There is no more veil to hide behind.

 

[Ndaccountant]

On one hand, college sports is already professional. It's professional for everyone but the players who don't have contracts*.

So you have players opt in or opt out. If they opt in, it's reasonable to ask them to be in a "bubble" for the season. If they opt out, that's fine, they act as a general student and are kept away from the rest of the team.

The number one way this goes sideways is having players socializing (bars, parties, etc.) and causing outbreaks. So I think you either need to find a way to "bubble" or you need to postpone the season. I think half measures are ultimately doomed to fail.

*They implicitly do, they have scholarship agreements. But that's a whole 'nother topic.

so its okay for the coaches and athletic department to make millions off the kids, so long as they can opt in or opt out? If football to these schools wasn't worth hundreds of millions to each conference, nobody would be doing this. It just highlights the economic significance of the players, who are grossly underpaid. The scholarship does compensate to a certain point, but its not enough.

 

[irishtrain]

I'd like to turn the clock back to college kids playing sports with the purpose of getting prepared for the next 40 yrs of your life and with just a few certain athletes going to try pro sports before they apply that education. What has happened is that the structure of college sports changed so dramatically to semi pro that the system itself cant keep up. Notre Dame looks like a beacon of light in a dark room of professionalism when you really shuck it down-long live the Golden Dome just the way it is.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

We insist on integrating athletes into the general student population due to our philosophy of education. That's a good thing which won't be changing any time soon. But most of ND's stakeholders would rather compromise on that ideal for a limited time rather than cancel an entire season.

The decision process for that is the Board of Trustees (the stakeholders). The Board is conservative, does not make decisions quickly and generally does not favor football (even with its money) over Notre Dame´s traditional emphasis on academics and faith community.

There are pragmatists on the Board, Whiskeyjack, but not to that degree. In short, they would take a major financial hit to the athletic department long before exempting football from the rest of the community.