Thoughts on upcoming Season

[Ndaccountant]

There seems to be more and more issues creeping up with MLB, more players opting out of NFL, etc. Forget the politics of everything, what do you think, as of today, should be the approach for college football this season?

 

[Ndaccountant]

I forgot to make this votes public, but chose delay. I was torn between shutting it down now versus delay. I want to give the players who want to play a chance to play. But, there are so many other needs for resources that I just have a hard time justifying it at the moment. But there is no harm in delaying and seeing if this subsides to allow for a few games later.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

ND culture will never allow a bubble for athletes (much less a football dorm), but other schools may try it. It does seem to work for the NBA.

 

[irishtrain]

The baseball seems like the guys are a little sloppy from the layoff and maybe its the lack of fans and the exhibition feel. Its also taken a toll on the pitchers. I am interested in how that plays out if college football plays without people in the stands. I havent watched 1 nba game and probably wont watch much NFL and I wonder what the feel will be if there is nobody in the stands for college football. The other big interest is how well the guys do in the ACC because I assure you they will give blood to keep Notre Dame from playing in the championship game. I figure 2 losses. Clemson and a game where the opponent plays great and the Irish arent snapping on all cylinders. For one year under these circumstances play in the ACC then go back to independent roots. Probably a mute point because there may not even be a season until politics get done.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Hasn't the SEC been doing a bubble for years?

 

[notredomer23]

Outside of coaches/professors, 99.99% of the players are not at risk and are not interacting with at risk communities during the season, and if a player is at risk, they should absolutely opt out with no penalty to their scholarship.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Outside of coaches/professors, 99.99% of the players are not at risk and are not interacting with at risk communities during the season, and if a player is at risk, they should absolutely opt out with no penalty to their scholarship.

I hear ya, but when I start to think that, you read something like the article below. Or, you read about the imprint the virus leaves on the heart. The cardiovascular damage is obviously something still being studied, but is scary none the less. While death of young people is rare, I am not personally convinced that it is as risk free (or risk reduced) as others seem to convey. It's just seems like they are gambling with the health of young people just to get a payday.

https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...s-mother-posts-covid-19-diagnosis/5577215002/

 

[notredomer23]

I hear ya, but when I start to think that, you read something like the article below. Or, you read about the imprint the virus leaves on the heart. The cardiovascular damage is obviously something still being studied, but is scary none the less. While death of young people is rare, I am not personally convinced that it is as risk free (or risk reduced) as others seem to convey. It's just seems like they are gambling with the health of young people just to get a payday.

https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...s-mother-posts-covid-19-diagnosis/5577215002/

There will always be statistical anomalies like this. Didn't over 40 Clemson players test positive and none had any really issues? Outside of this case and the Red Sox pitcher, I don't know of a single athlete that has had any lasting issues.

I guess my OP in stating full steam ahead was a little too simplistic. I still want them to take precautions such as masking, constant testing, distancing when possible etc. I think that, combined with football being outdoors, they'll be good. It's also very dependent on players being held accountable for their actions. They can't be going to the bars or house parties during the season. Which those could be tall tasks for college kids, but this is a unique situation.

 

[dublinirish]

There will always be statistical anomalies like this. Didn't over 40 Clemson players test positive and none had any really issues? Outside of this case and the Red Sox pitcher, I don't know of a single athlete that has had any lasting issues.

I guess my OP in stating full steam ahead was a little too simplistic. I still want them to take precautions such as masking, constant testing, distancing when possible etc. I think that, combined with football being outdoors, they'll be good. It's also very dependent on players being held accountable for their actions. They can't be going to the bars or house parties during the season. Which those could be tall tasks for college kids, but this is a unique situation.

Too soon to say there are no lasting issues but comments like this aren't too promising:

After 14 days of hell battling the horrible virus, his school did additional testing on all those that were positive. My son even received extra tests because he was one of the worst cases. Now we are dealing with possible heart issues! He is still experiencing additional symptoms and his blood work is indicating additional problems.”

https://247sports.com/Article/Brady...oronavirus-battle-Indiana-football-149832797/

 

[NDohio]

There will always be statistical anomalies like this. Didn't over 40 Clemson players test positive and none had any really issues? Outside of this case and the Red Sox pitcher, I don't know of a single athlete that has had any lasting issues.

I guess my OP in stating full steam ahead was a little too simplistic. I still want them to take precautions such as masking, constant testing, distancing when possible etc. I think that, combined with football being outdoors, they'll be good. It's also very dependent on players being held accountable for their actions. They can't be going to the bars or house parties during the season. Which those could be tall tasks for college kids, but this is a unique situation.

https://sports.yahoo.com/rutgers-fo...ubles-party-big-ten-conference-045455565.html

Athletes across multiple sports at the university reportedly attended an on-campus party, which officials said on July 29 that they believe was the source of the outbreak. At that time, only 15 players had tested positive.

Now, according to three people who spoke to NJ.com on the condition of anonymity, 28 players along with “multiple staff members” have been infected. Some players are experiencing symptoms, while others are asymptomatic.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

Outside of coaches/professors, 99.99% of the players are not at risk and are not interacting with at risk communities during the season, and if a player is at risk, they should absolutely opt out with no penalty to their scholarship.

They´re not interacting with other students? Not going to the dining halls? Not in student dorms?
Nobody´s going to go to off-campus house parties? The SB bars will be closed all season?

Kelly mentioned that the players are now "out of the bubble".
They will have the same risk as other students, so that 99.99% no-risk claim is a bit difficult to accept.



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[notredomer23]

They´re not interacting with other students? Not going to the dining halls? Not in student dorms?
Nobody´s going to go to off-campus house parties? The SB bars will be closed all season?

Kelly mentioned that the players are now "out of the bubble".
They will have the same risk as other students, so that 99.99% no-risk claim is a bit difficult to accept.



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I meant at risk groups as in those with underlying conditions. They will be interacting with students. The 3 most prevalent underlying conditions for death from COVID are high blood pressure, diabetes, and heart disease. Do we really think more than a small percentage of students have any of that?

The case fatality rate based off data from Texas for those 20-29 is 0.07%. Let me reiterate that. 99.93% of people 20-29 beat COVID. And if I had to guess, that 0.07% were at risk (and that doesn't take into account the massive amount of asymptomatic in this age group that go untested).

 

[JurDocDuLac]

I thought you meant the risk of transmitting the virus. And the risk to the players.

The problem is that at ND, by new official protocol, a positive test, even a very mild case, puts a student in mandatory quarantine; with a requirement of two negative tests three days apart, to get out.

And beyond ND general protocol, if the team tests, the same ND rule will apply. Kelly won´t be able to go around that.

Somebody on the team is going to hang around with somebody who parties off-campus and the virus will spread.

It is not 99.99% risk-free in terms of player availability.

 

[Luckylucci]

There would obviously be details that need to be worked out but I believe the driving force should be the players. If they are comfortable, I don't think we should be taking the decision away from them. Something like an opt in or out, keep scholarships, and if a program has a certain number of opt outs then the season is cancelled.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

There would obviously be details that need to be worked out but I believe the driving force should be the players. If they are comfortable, I don't think we should be taking the decision away from them. Something like an opt in or out, keep scholarships, and if a program has a certain number of opt outs then the season is cancelled.

Absolutely.

But wouldn´t the NCAA have to put their pants on to come up with player-centric policies?

They cannot even come up with a uniform testing protocol (seem to turn a blind-eye to finding problems). And I don´t think the conferences are doing much about these issues either.

…While death of young people is rare, I am not personally convinced that it is as risk free (or risk reduced) as others seem to convey. It's just seems like they are gambling with the health of young people just to get a payday. ]

Especially when they will not put insurance, opt-out and scholarship-extension policies in place that protect the players best interest.

 

[DogDaysIrish]

I meant at risk groups as in those with underlying conditions. They will be interacting with students. The 3 most prevalent underlying conditions for death from COVID are high blood pressure, diabetes, and heart disease. Do we really think more than a small percentage of students have any of that?

The case fatality rate based off data from Texas for those 20-29 is 0.07%. Let me reiterate that. 99.93% of people 20-29 beat COVID. And if I had to guess, that 0.07% were at risk (and that doesn't take into account the massive amount of asymptomatic in this age group that go untested).

They're all at risk ya dumb ass. You kids make me giggle. You all think you're incapable of being affected by anything. My own son included. Bunch of dumb asses. Take this seriously. You have no idea what the long term affects will be....myself either, but why play with it? Take the precautions. Quit following that orange jackass sending crap through the media.

 

[Ndaccountant]

They're all at risk ya dumb ass. You kids make me giggle. You all think you're incapable of being affected by anything. My own son included. Bunch of dumb asses. Take this seriously. You have no idea what the long term affects will be....myself either, but why play with it? Take the precautions. Quit following that orange jackass sending crap through the media.

I read this post as if you were Red.

 

[fightingirish26]

UConn cancelled their football season

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

UConn cancelled their football season

Waiting for them to cancel their program.......

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Waiting for them to cancel their program.......

They probably should consider that option. No sarcasm.

 

[zelezo vlk]

But think of all the football tradition of Bob Diaco trying to force a rivalry!

 

[JurDocDuLac]

They're all at risk ya dumb ass.

NotreDomer23, you better stay the hell off of DogDaysIrish´s lawn!

 

[JurDocDuLac]

UConn cancelled their football season

"I hear people saying that because we're independent we are able to do this," added an emotional Edsall. "Let me just say one thing. If I was a head coach in a conference, at a Power Five conference or a Group of Five conference, I would be saying the same thing. I'd be doing the same thing. Because these young men's lives are more important than money. They're more important than money. I'm just glad we made the right decision."

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...s-team-cancel-football-season-due-coronavirus

I am thinking that Irishize and NDaccountant are on the right track....

 

[dublinirish]

"I hear people saying that because we're independent we are able to do this," added an emotional Edsall. "Let me just say one thing. If I was a head coach in a conference, at a Power Five conference or a Group of Five conference, I would be saying the same thing. I'd be doing the same thing. Because these young men's lives are more important than money. They're more important than money. I'm just glad we made the right decision."

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...s-team-cancel-football-season-due-coronavirus

I am thinking that Irishize is on the right track....

lol Edsall is a f'n creep he'd make his players play in Aleppo if it kept him his job

 

[Irishize]

Too soon to say there are no lasting issues but comments like this aren't too promising:



https://247sports.com/Article/Brady...oronavirus-battle-Indiana-football-149832797/

Agreed. While I’ve heard plenty of anecdotal cases reported by the media, we need more data to see what the % of risk/incidence is for long-term damage overall.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

They're all at risk ya dumb ass. You kids make me giggle. You all think you're incapable of being affected by anything. My own son included. Bunch of dumb asses. Take this seriously. You have no idea what the long term affects will be....myself either, but why play with it? Take the precautions. Quit following that orange jackass sending crap through the media.

Putting Trump aside...anyone who doesn't handle a pandemic exactly the way you think we should is a dumbass? And we're all kids?

That nonsense takes substance from what can be a good discussion here. Throwing away hundreds of millions of dollars, decapitating college athletics, and taking opportunities away from thousands of kids for the scenario of, "we don't know what the long term effects are" is asinine.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

The NCAA finally makes a move in the right direction:

Today (Aug 5), the NCAA Board of Governors said schools must honor an athlete's scholarship if the athlete opts out of the coming season because of concerns about COVID-19, and it directed each division to determine no later than Aug. 14 whether opting-out athletes could retain a year of eligibility.

The Board added that the NCAA will not permit member schools to require athletes to waive legal rights regarding COVID-19 to participate in sports, and any expenses incurred by athletes related to COVID-19 must be covered by schools under current insurance standards.

https://www.ketv.com/article/ncaa-s...-fall-championships-to-each-division/33523560

 

[NDMontana]

"I hear people saying that because we're independent we are able to do this," added an emotional Edsall. "Let me just say one thing. If I was a head coach in a conference, at a Power Five conference or a Group of Five conference, I would be saying the same thing. I'd be doing the same thing. Because these young men's lives are more important than money. They're more important than money. I'm just glad we made the right decision."

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...s-team-cancel-football-season-due-coronavirus

I am thinking that Irishize and NDaccountant are on the right track....

HAHA! Given that kids in their age cohort are more likely to die in an auto-accident it might be wise to revoke their drivers licenses and walk to the airport to board flights to away games instead of taking a bus to the airport.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Putting Trump aside...anyone who doesn't handle a pandemic exactly the way you think we should is a dumbass? And we're all kids?

That nonsense takes substance from what can be a good discussion here. Throwing away hundreds of millions of dollars, decapitating college athletics, and taking opportunities away from thousands of kids for the scenario of, "we don't know what the long term effects are" is asinine.

Yes and no. Risk isn't limited to just health though. There is some serious liability concerns for schools. For example, would the schools be held financially culpable if a coach or player was unfortunate enough to have an unexpected long term side effect of COVID? What happens in the off chance something happens similar to the Marlins where one school outbreak forces one or two others to miss some games? Are they held financially responsible? Not to mention if something like what is alleged at Colorado State actually happens. There are endless types of risk.

The Pac12 has already secured a credit line for the league where schools could get a substantial cash infusion and pay it back over the next 10 years. So they are alternatives to help schools survive if they don't get to play this season.

Honestly though, I hope this makes everyone rethink the money in this sport. It's one part where the Pac12 players demand make perfect sense to me.

Daltoso doesn’t buy the common retort to that question, that the money revenue sport athletes don’t receive is necessary to fund non-revenue sports. “We don’t want it to turn into revenue vs. non-revenue sports,” Daltoso said. “They’re nonprofit, so they’re spending all the money. They’re putting their hands up: ‘We’re gonna have to cut the soccer team if you get paid.’ That’s not how it works. It’s not our fault you were irresponsible with this money.”

“It’s a spending problem, not a cost problem,” Curhan said.

This bed was made by being fiscally irresponsible over the last two decades. I just hope that no matter what happens, they learn their lesson here and think about what will happen when they need to start actually paying the players.

https://theundefeated.com/features/pac-12-followed-the-money-and-found-a-movement/

 

[Irish#1]

UConn cancelled their football season

UConn plays football? When did that start?