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This passage reads like a speech by Ken Hamm, in which he attempts to paint science like an anti-religious religion, that Darwin's postulates are themselves a form of substitute for faith utilized by atheism. The author's use of terminology like 'Darwinism' and 'Darwinism' recalls a faith and its adherents.

It's difficult to tell from your last two posts whether you're referring to Wilson's article or my commentary. To be clear, I have no problem with the Theory of Evolution.

Galileo's situation is entirely different. Galileo debunked the Earth-centered universe, and therefore the naive wannabee-true concept of Man as the physical center of the universe and the only really important thing about Creation. That people psychologically needed this illusion shows how colossally flimsy their faith was (and some persons' still is.) Galileo was a loud-mouth (exactly the opposite of Darwin) who would have gotten away with his science just fine if he'd just played it quieter --- there were bishops and cardinals who already bought the Copernican system anyway. It was the Church's thumping on him (actually pretty gently) that has caused the long-term trouble --- @$$holes use that to bash the Church as anti-science and truth --- paradoxically just as giving support to Wilson's article does.

Seems like we're largely agreed on Galileo, but that I need to do more homework on Darwin. Thanks for the correction, professor.
 

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this is starting to sound along the lines of

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#1 is completely wrong. Lamarck deserves no credit for the theory of Natural Selection and is, in fact, directly contrary to it. This is one of the first things that you learn about this subject if you are a serious scholar, and it's not debated by anyone scholarly;

#2 is almost entirely untrue as well. Darwin's observations and careful statement of the theory of Natural Selection remain solid today and are constantly supported by Mendelian and modern genetics. Alfred Russell Wallace had essentially the exact statement of the theory (and he was a very spiritual person), and the angst this gave Darwin about publishing is thoroughly documented and told. Darwin, though he knew that he had formulated the theory long before Wallace, allowed this to be a simultaneous publication. Prejudiced persons, like Wilson, take the precisely wrong tack on all of this;

#3 refers to so-called "Social Darwinism" and the extreme monstrosities that some atheist and economics-at-all-costs and superior racists warped Darwin and Wallace's theory into. Darwin was completely non-political and deserves no blame for that. Those were the mutant beliefs of atheists like Huxley and Haeckel on the "philosophical" side, Freud and Skinner on the psychological side, Rockefeller and Carnegie on the vicious competition for cash side, and heavy eugenicists everywhere --- see Hilter and Lebensborn. Trying to smear Darwin himself with these non-science things is just exactly what that almost fearfully quiet man worried about most. (this is a fellow who almost never spoke in public; thus the "need" for Huxley.)

Galileo's situation is entirely different. Galileo debunked the Earth-centered universe, and therefore the naive wannabee-true concept of Man as the physical center of the universe and the only really important thing about Creation. That people psychologically needed this illusion shows how colossally flimsy their faith was (and some persons' still is.) Galileo was a loud-mouth (exactly the opposite of Darwin) who would have gotten away with his science just fine if he'd just played it quieter --- there were bishops and cardinals who already bought the Copernican system anyway. It was the Church's thumping on him (actually pretty gently) that has caused the long-term trouble --- @$$holes use that to bash the Church as anti-science and truth --- paradoxically just as giving support to Wilson's article does.

.....very big and important topics and totally out-of-scope for this chat site. This stuff is not simple, and it has no quick and easy non-scholarly answers. (I spent five years of my life in these waters --- history of science doctoral work.)
Yeah, I noticed a lot of that as well when reading the article. The idea that him and Wallace had come to the same conclusion is a problemis not an actual problem at all but strengthens the voracity of the Theory. It is simply more evidence that the concept is correct (converging lines of evidence).

I may be wrong here, but wasnt it a cousin or such of Darwin's who took Darwin's theory and corrupted it. I believe he claimed eugenics was genetic determinism (which Darwin absolutely disagreed with and never claimed) and that evolution was not even a requirement for genetic determinism to occur. We now know that it is most certainly not deterministic and that environment and living conditions play as much or more of a role as sexually derived genetic variation and other mechanisms.

Anywho eugenics was a social philosophy in the early 20th century and wasn't even based on Darwin's Theory let alone sound science even for the age. It also varied from country to country because the people espousing its virtues had differing opinions on what constituted a superior human condition. I literally can't roll my eyes any more when I hear someone blame eugenics on Darwin or that it had Darwinistic origins (whatever that is).

People want to always attack Darwin for some reason and I can never figure out why. His theory has been buttressed by countless disciplines and the Modern Synthesis is nearly unassailable based on pure supporting data and cohesiveness. I can only surmise that people just can't accept the descent with modification and that our common ancestors were not a human species.
 
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People want to always attack Darwin for some reason and I can never figure out why. His theory has been buttressed by countless disciplines and the Modern Synthesis is nearly unassailable based on pure supporting data and cohesiveness. I can only surmise that people just can't accept the descent with modification and that our common ancestors were not a human species.

I can only speak for the intellectual circles I frequent, but in my experience Catholics who want to disparage heliocentrism, evolution, or any other broadly supported scientific theory in se are rare. But there are lots of Catholics who dislike Galileo and Darwin personally, or at least the secular folk hagiography that's grown up around them, so I occasionally come across articles that seek to demythologize the importance of their actual scientific contributions, to contextualize their alleged persecution by religious opponents, etc.

My bullsh!t detector is normally on point, but it seems like I may have consumed some anti-Darwin polemical a bit too uncritically.
 

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It's difficult to tell from your last two posts whether you're referring to Wilson's article or my commentary. To be clear, I have no problem with the Theory of Evolution.



Seems like we're largely agreed on Galileo, but that I need to do more homework on Darwin. Thanks for the correction, professor.

Sorry homie. Was criticizing the clown, not you. I sometimes miss a certain level of quality when posting on my phone. Just found a typo in my last sentence.
 
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I can only speak for the intellectual circles I frequent, but in my experience Catholics who want to disparage heliocentrism, evolution, or any other broadly supported scientific theory in se are rare. But there are lots of Catholics who dislike Galileo and Darwin personally, or at least the secular folk hagiography that's grown up around them, so I occasionally come across articles that seek to demythologize the importance of their actual scientific contributions, to contextualize their alleged persecution by religious opponents, etc.

My bullsh!t detector is normally on point, but it seems like I may have consumed some anti-Darwin polemical a bit too uncritically.

Oh yeah... my Catholics are also similar however the southern protestants, intellectuals and otherwise, I am among would share the view point of the author. I find people (like the author) who attack evolution via Darwin, just dont know what evolution is or what the extent of its implications are. If one wants to tackle evolution they should attack the findings of the Modern Synthesis but they would have to simultaneously pose an argument that is consistent bewtween many disciplines such as embryology, cladistics, genetics, taxonomy, geology, paleontology, virology and many others. That is a tall order. What that author did is what most anti-darwinians do... try knee cap the perception of Darwin with what ultimately amounts to arguments of incredulity. With all of my testimonies in front of school boards on this subject, I have become very well aware of the means and methods used to attack Evolution.
 
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With all of my testimonies in front of school boards on this subject, I have become very well aware of the means and methods used to attack Evolution.

Your disdain is appropriate. That article was unworthy of the Whiskeyjack Seal of Approval™, and I apologize for sharing it. My posting in this thread has been impish lately; reps to my interlocutors for their patient and measured replies.
 
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Scientists Create Human-Animal Hybrid In Laboratory, Hope Breakthrough Will Save Lives


Here is the summary from Cell:
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Interspecies blastocyst complementation enables organ-specific enrichment of xenogenic pluripotent stem cell (PSC) derivatives. Here, we establish a versatile blastocyst complementation platform based on CRISPR-Cas9-mediated zygote genome editing and show enrichment of rat PSC-derivatives in several tissues of gene-edited organogenesis-disabled mice. Besides gaining insights into species evolution, embryogenesis, and human disease, interspecies blastocyst complementation might allow human organ generation in animals whose organ size, anatomy, and physiology are closer to humans. To date, however, whether human PSCs (hPSCs) can contribute to chimera formation in non-rodent species remains unknown. We systematically evaluate the chimeric competency of several types of hPSCs using a more diversified clade of mammals, the ungulates. We find that naïve hPSCs robustly engraft in both pig and cattle pre-implantation blastocysts but show limited contribution to post-implantation pig embryos. Instead, an intermediate hPSC type exhibits higher degree of chimerism and is able to generate differentiated progenies in post-implantation pig embryos.
 

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As this article has the potential for inciting hysteria, condemnation, praise, or premature hope, I'll contribute a small number of facts to it ahead of other possible comments.

1). The part of the chimeric fusion/union spoken of here which is most complex/advanced is a mouse blastocyst (not a human structure.) These experiments have been going on since the turn of this century, and this is not a stunning new direction in medical research;

2). The Moral element in the story comes from the human component (human stem cells.) The Moral component is not (or at least in my opinion should not be) the ultimate GOAL of the research (all those goals are ultra-valuable aids to medicine in terms of organ failure renewal etc.), as those goals are almost entirely "healthy" health issues;

3). The issue is where do the human stem cells come from? Stem cells can come from embryos, fetuses , or adults. The issue of taking stem cells from adults has very little controversy, while the other two have great controversy. The pressure in the issue comes from the abortion theologies on the one side and the practical medical fact that adult-derived stem cells are not "pluripotent" (they can not, yet at least, be stimulated to develop into every type of cell, but only certain types.) Medical research would be facilitated by embryonic stem cells which are pluripotent, rather than bone marrow stem cells which currently have a smaller range of translations possible;

4). "Human/Animal hybrid" is an inappropriate emotional term seemingly meant to maximally cloud the discussion and be unhelpful while stimulating ignorant readership. People have had animal elements added to their bodies for quite a while. One still possible line of research (which would limit the need for this stem cell business) would be the growth of animal organs for transplant which had altered genetic markers so that human immune systems would not reject them. One surmises that most orthodox Christians would not mind a pig kidney with "human immune markers" giving them good health rather than dying prematurely;

5). The Moral controversy therefore should be focussed (if on anything) as to where the stem cells come from. The issue should be discussed honestly --- both sides "owning" what they're giving up to achieve their favored position. The core issue is embryonic cells. Embryonic cells are theoretically available in mass quantities as natural embryonic wastage occurs in shocking amounts --- probably greater than 50% of all fertilized eggs do not implant or dislodge from the uterus with no direct (abortion) "help." The trouble is that there is really no way to collect these still-living-but-soon-dead cells. That leads to in-vitro fertilization and all that involves;

6). One way that medical research is trying to hurdle this issue is by using non-pluripotent stem cells, mainly from bone marrow. These cells have shown some real optimistic potential for differentiation into cells of other internal organs, particularly when injected into organs already with various unhealthy breakdowns --- example: improvements in heart, liver, pancreatic function. Many reasonable Christian thinkers would prefer the slower research path involving non-embryonic stem cells, aimed at discovering the tricks to releasing pluripotency in them, and skipping around the embryo problem. Others would rather use embryonic stem cells to reach effective treatment levels for actual patients more quickly.

These are some of the basic foundational points as I see them, which people should meditate upon before freaking out and screaming and yelling at each other (and saying things which subtract from the totality of knowledge in the Universe.)
 

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NASA has to run simulations like this as they can, but the thing is largely BS. It's BS because these people KNOW they're not on Mars, and know when the experiment stops. Whereas some people cannot live closely with others for long periods, we know from other experiences (ex. subs or monasteries etc.) that many do this just fine --- it helps when you like the other folks and share a clearly defined goal.)

What NASA actually needs is some assurance that a real robust/sustainable miniecosystem exists which can provide sufficient air and water balances, while producing enough food. The famous fiasco (BIOSPHERE II) out in Arizona showed that we barely have a clue on this.
 

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NASA has to run simulations like this as they can, but the thing is largely BS. It's BS because these people KNOW they're not on Mars, and know when the experiment stops. Whereas some people cannot live closely with others for long periods, we know from other experiences (ex. subs or monasteries etc.) that many do this just fine --- it helps when you like the other folks and share a clearly defined goal.)

What NASA actually needs is some assurance that a real robust/sustainable miniecosystem exists which can provide sufficient air and water balances, while producing enough food. The famous fiasco (BIOSPHERE II) out in Arizona showed that we barely have a clue on this.

I know, right?

Documentary footage...

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California Aquifer Rebounds Quickly after Aggressive Conservation Measures Implemented

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This type of radar can capture the subtle up-and-down movements of Earth's surface of just minute fractions of an inch (a few millimeters) that occur when water levels rise or fall underground. The scientists used hundreds of radar images obtained under a license from ASI to calculate how much the land surface elevation changed over time. The measurements show the aquifer began to rebound in late 2014, when the drought was still going strong, and that groundwater levels had returned to pre-drought levels by 2017, thanks to conservation measures that intensified in 2014, and heavy winter rains in 2016.

During the 2012-15 drought, the Santa Clara Valley Water District employed an array of conservation measures. These included restricting sprinkler use and asking customers to take shorter showers and convert lawns and pools into less-thirsty landscapes. The district also imported water from outside the region.
There is hope in sensible regulations.

The upcoming NASA-ISRO (Indian Space Research Organisation) Synthetic Aperture Radar (NISAR) satellite mission, planned for launch in 2021, will systematically collect radar imagery over nearly every aquifer in the world, improving our understanding of valuable groundwater resources and our ability to better manage them. In addition to tracking groundwater use in urban settings, NISAR will be able to measure surface motion associated with groundwater pumping and natural recharge in rural communities, in areas with extensive agriculture, and in regions with extensive vegetation, conditions that are typically more challenging.

This is the type of important information gathering NASA does that would be impacted by budget cuts and such becasue it gets negatively lumped in with climate change and environmental monitoring.
 
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There is probably NO more significant thing to human survival and a chance for thrival than protecting ground water resources. Only the Great Lakes region of all the planet's areas seems able to grind through droughts and industrial impacts and uncare (like China's stupidity in overusing both of its major rivers so that now both the Yangtse and the Yellow don't make it to the ocean --- much like the Colorado.) But this country's citizenry and politicians are so scientifically brain-empty that I hold little hope for anything scientific and future-caring anymore.
 

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Supervolcano in Yellowstone could blow much sooner than science originally thought:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...thought-could-wipe-out-life-planet/757337001/

Two eruptions have occurred via the Yellowstone caldera, each about 630,000 years apart... if the pattern holds for a third time, we're about due (give-or-take 10,000 years lol).

The land in the caldera is lifting at an accelerated rate, and there are changes in the land's temperature and composition that were supposed to take centuries, but are now only taking decades.

Get your Shit-Hits-The-Fan bags packed and your water and canned goods updated, just in case.
 

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Well, there are legitimate grounds for arguing both sides of this.

The counter-argument for intrasolar and interstellar probes is one seriously proposed by Gerard O'Neill of Princeton in the 60s/70s. The concept was based upon an "industrial" center at one of the Earth/Moon Lagrangian points (a somewhat mysterious --- in that all oddities associated with gravitation are mysterious --- set of areas wherein there exist gravity "wells" or relative stability points for "grounding" a structure without worrying about constant propulsion corrections.) This industrial "colony" would administer solar power satellites and send power to Earth --- aimed at population-empty areas where large microwave catching grids would be built (these microwaves would not be highly focussed, so you could graze cattle beneath them if you wished.) These energy sales would ultimately pay off the initial industrial build.

When the site was in place, a Lunar mining colony would be in place as well. Using an electromagnetic slingshot device (we can do this now), cargo containers would be slung off the Moon to be "caught" in a giant catcher's mitt area, whereupon the Lunar rocks (many of which were aluminum silicates) would be reduced to metallic aluminum to produce more large colony and satellite skeletal structure without ant of the heavy lifting off Earth surface.

NASA and O'Neill calculated the cost projections on this. They worked but only if Earth nations were willing to shift to this form of Solar Power. If such a program were to evolve, the industrial L-5 (one of the Lagrangian Gravity Wells) colony would be able to build relatively easily large launchable space probes of non-aerodynamic shapes, and at low cost due to the relatively high burden of Earth's gravity on normal rocketry.

There are, therefore at least four defendable scenarios to place faith upon:
1). Go to Space and Mars by continuing the current technological paths (using essentially chemical blasting power to lift things out of Earth's big gravity well) and not using the Moon or Lagrangian points to create building sites prior to doing so. This way is "doing it the hard way" but many believe that it's the only realistic option. Both of the scenarios talked of in the postings above are variations of this type.
2). Go to Space and Mars by the O'Neill plan as described above, or some variation of Space Station industry and large permanent building location for craft assembly. O'Neill was in his way an environmentalist, in that he envisioned this as the first serious step in getting ALL industrial pollution off the planet. Many disagreed with him for a multiple set of reasons, many paranoid but not necessarily unreal.
3). Go to Space and Mars once some Earth tech genius kicks over the lucky rock and finds a means of propulsion/lifting power which does not require all the violent inefficient chemistry. This is futuristic fiction of course since by definition it depends upon something we cannot yet know anything (really) about.
4). Don't go to Space and Mars ever. We are a thuggish species who destroy everything we handle and/or dominate it until it is extinct or unrecognizable and have no right to pollute the Universe with our destructive presence. Also, this school of thought says, the expenditures contemplated in ANY of these other scenarios are immoral, as such monies are wasted on whimsy when Earth's poor are dying.

FWIW
 

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Well, there are legitimate grounds for arguing both sides of this.

The counter-argument for intrasolar and interstellar probes is one seriously proposed by Gerard O'Neill of Princeton in the 60s/70s. The concept was based upon an "industrial" center at one of the Earth/Moon Lagrangian points (a somewhat mysterious --- in that all oddities associated with gravitation are mysterious --- set of areas wherein there exist gravity "wells" or relative stability points for "grounding" a structure without worrying about constant propulsion corrections.) This industrial "colony" would administer solar power satellites and send power to Earth --- aimed at population-empty areas where large microwave catching grids would be built (these microwaves would not be highly focussed, so you could graze cattle beneath them if you wished.) These energy sales would ultimately pay off the initial industrial build.

When the site was in place, a Lunar mining colony would be in place as well. Using an electromagnetic slingshot device (we can do this now), cargo containers would be slung off the Moon to be "caught" in a giant catcher's mitt area, whereupon the Lunar rocks (many of which were aluminum silicates) would be reduced to metallic aluminum to produce more large colony and satellite skeletal structure without ant of the heavy lifting off Earth surface.

NASA and O'Neill calculated the cost projections on this. They worked but only if Earth nations were willing to shift to this form of Solar Power. If such a program were to evolve, the industrial L-5 (one of the Lagrangian Gravity Wells) colony would be able to build relatively easily large launchable space probes of non-aerodynamic shapes, and at low cost due to the relatively high burden of Earth's gravity on normal rocketry.

There are, therefore at least four defendable scenarios to place faith upon:
1). Go to Space and Mars by continuing the current technological paths (using essentially chemical blasting power to lift things out of Earth's big gravity well) and not using the Moon or Lagrangian points to create building sites prior to doing so. This way is "doing it the hard way" but many believe that it's the only realistic option. Both of the scenarios talked of in the postings above are variations of this type.
2). Go to Space and Mars by the O'Neill plan as described above, or some variation of Space Station industry and large permanent building location for craft assembly. O'Neill was in his way an environmentalist, in that he envisioned this as the first serious step in getting ALL industrial pollution off the planet. Many disagreed with him for a multiple set of reasons, many paranoid but not necessarily unreal.
3). Go to Space and Mars once some Earth tech genius kicks over the lucky rock and finds a means of propulsion/lifting power which does not require all the violent inefficient chemistry. This is futuristic fiction of course since by definition it depends upon something we cannot yet know anything (really) about.
4). Don't go to Space and Mars ever. We are a thuggish species who destroy everything we handle and/or dominate it until it is extinct or unrecognizable and have no right to pollute the Universe with our destructive presence. Also, this school of thought says, the expenditures contemplated in ANY of these other scenarios are immoral, as such monies are wasted on whimsy when Earth's poor are dying.

FWIW

I'm much more partial to the interpretation of Robert Zubrin, who decried the bureaucratic and limited views of space exploration put forth by NASA. You don't need massive orbiting or lunar infrastructure to go to Mars. These largely just add cost. You do it by sending robotic factories to use local resources to build up stores of water and jet fuel. When astronauts leave Earth, everything on Mars is then ready for them.
 

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Not sure why this is here in the Science section, but OK.

UFO Research has been my lifelong hobby ever since my brother and I saw a silent domed disk about a football field away during the summer before I went to Notre Dame (1958.) Once I got my science prof job at WMU, I sought out information on the field of study, finding that the USAFs former scientific consultant had begun a civilian research group in Chicago, not far away. I joined him at the Center for UFO Studies, and since have been able to access the best case information available to civilian researchers. Due to this "quiet presence" of mine for 30-40 years, I have sort of reluctantly become a world-known expert (if there are any) on this subject.

I can tell you that as much as I'd like it to be true, and as much as it deserves to be acknowledged, UFO Studies is not a "science." Despite Hynek (and he wrote a fine textbook-like book, The UFO Experience, trying to create the foundational thinking for it to be a science) it has never been able to establish a level of seriousness in the minds of the public nor academia (who are willfully stunningly ignorant of the data) to get itself "into the textbooks." In fact, an atmosphere of mockery exists (read Robert Powell's and my book, UFOs and Government, if you have the stamina --- it's a 600+pp monster --- if you want to know how this happened). The field has tons of responsible data, statistical studies, laboratory analysis trying to break down this inscrutable enigma. It refuses to break. If the adventure were not so entertaining to the researcher, every good quality person in the field would have quit in frustration long ago. But we persist (like Don Quixote) in an otherwise thankless task.

The map shown in the post above is "OK" and not OK. It does represent the times that persons have decided to call into the media (almost always an internet site) and claim that they "saw a UFO." Whether they did or not is questionable as that's where that ends. Almost never (contrary to Hynek's and the USAF's investigations time) are any of these actually followed up upon --- the claim just dies. Do actual UFO encounters still go on? They do. Once in a lucky while, an actual field researcher gets the news of a good case and does an investigation --- Robert Powell is one of the best. Frequently these cases are genuinely puzzling and seem to point to some kind of physical aerial technology that we don't know about. Sometimes the "Strangeness" of the case details push this aerial technology into the discomfort zone of "beyond our capability", just like the USAFs conclusions in many of their cases.

So, what do you do with that? You can make a "best guess" but you can't "prove" it in the laboratory like a "science" might. You CAN come close. You can investigate the cases, sample the sites, do the lab work, do the statistics seeking patterns, make alternative hypotheses, --- everything but drag a piece of the technology into the National Academy of Sciences and say: "Please Look At This." (We've done everything else.)

The other thing that you cannot do is count on the media. The subject is just entertainment to the media so they will (almost) never report any of it "straight." You will always get a smear job for the HAR-HAR effect. So, as a serious researcher, you never go to the media. I still get two to three requests from (big outfit) media people for filming interviews per year. Once in a while I say yes. It's almost always an error. The Peter Jennings people were OK --- pretty straight shooters. The Canadian CNBC guy was great. I've been on a couple of other televised "documentaries" which were tolerable. Most are not. Lots of you have probably seen one or more of these --- I can tell you that with the exceptions of the bits by Mark Rodeghier, Jerry Clark, and myself, you were probably not getting a solid take on the subject from either the debunkers nor the UFOriacs. ... no one wants to hear the actual researcher-scholars though.

... anyway, for those on IE with open minds on such things and maybe interested, those are some of the thoughts of a guy who, whether he wanted it or not, became a "world expert" on something quite controversial.
 

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I put it here because it about the where and when about UFO sightings and not necessarily about if UFOs are real or not. I think it is informative and gives us more information about the people who claim to see them.
 

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I have a 30 minute or so drive into work and it was right in front of me the whole way in today
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LIVE: SpaceX launches massive Falcon Heavy rocket, one of its most daring missions to date. <a href="https://t.co/DIGxeREYDa">https://t.co/DIGxeREYDa</a></p>— ABC News (@ABC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ABC/status/960977568869568512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Actual liftoff about 1:40 into video

side rockets detach about 4:50 in

boosters land back down about 10:10

but you gotta watch the last minute
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is one of the most terrifying things I’ve seen in all my life <a href="https://t.co/Yp9xlhdKC9">pic.twitter.com/Yp9xlhdKC9</a></p>— Alan White (@aljwhite) <a href="https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/963150562534412299?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is one of the most terrifying things I’ve seen in all my life <a href="https://t.co/Yp9xlhdKC9">pic.twitter.com/Yp9xlhdKC9</a></p>— Alan White (@aljwhite) <a href="https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/963150562534412299?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Were those walking tazers?
 
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